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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
875 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-08 21:09:39
April 08 2020 20:52 GMT
#1
Hello from France,

Actually, pro Terran builds a wall-depot in front of their B2 or B3 (do they B4 wall ? i don t remember ...).

Clem building an armory in his wall

[image loading]

It makes sense, it s a quality of top tier Terran and most of them stack their units in the wall. We can say walls in front of the bases is a caracteristic of the metagame but despite his usefulness, we never see any bunker inside walls ?
Pro Terran doesn t need to make a bunker cause they have no interest in doing so.. Indeed, these building have the same cost, the same amount of structure points and also depot needs 30 seconds time while bunker needs 41.5 seconds...

I would like to see bunker in wall, it could be more styl-ish.

This is not the only advantage, Terran could control the map faster (as i ve asked multiples times../ at least at casual level)

Of course this upgrade to build faster his bunker won t be allowed during proxy racks cheese...

For Pro, it s not a big buff (stuff ??), cause they have APM to control map with widow mines (upgrade seems mandatory for them now). But for casual, it would be great.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-08 21:06:49
April 08 2020 21:03 GMT
#2
Please, just type what you want to say in French and then google translate it already. At this point you are deliberately mispelling and mistyping. It's hard to understand you.

You are wrong anyways, since pros do build bunkers. Then they salvage it when they feel they no longer want it. Where they feel they need permanent defence they build a supply free planetary fortress anyways.

Edit: OMG, stop editing your OP. How hard is it to type what needs to be said in an OP once?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
April 08 2020 21:05 GMT
#3
Another awesome post Vision, keep em coming :D
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
April 08 2020 22:11 GMT
#4
I tried to word-by-word translate the OP in French in my head, but it does not make more sense.
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uiotui
Profile Joined February 2010
United States54 Posts
April 08 2020 22:23 GMT
#5
good post, 11 out of 1
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
April 09 2020 01:34 GMT
#6
I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the French here. This TL operator is a prime exemple of decades of a decaying French education system and a complete failure to promote English learning.

Regarding the actual content of the post, I honestly understood more of the text present in your hilarious 140p screenshot (what is this? a screenshot for ANTS?) than in your rambling, incoherent response.

but despite his usefulness, we never see any bunker inside walls ?


Then what the hell is THIS?
[image loading]
I tried to set the quality level of my screenshot on par with yours to keep a consistent theme, I hope you can spot the bunker.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 02:01:24
April 09 2020 02:01 GMT
#7
On April 09 2020 06:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Please, just type what you want to say in French and then google translate it already. At this point you are deliberately mispelling and mistyping. It's hard to understand you.

You are wrong anyways, since pros do build bunkers. Then they salvage it when they feel they no longer want it. Where they feel they need permanent defence they build a supply free planetary fortress anyways.

Edit: OMG, stop editing your OP. How hard is it to type what needs to be said in an OP once?

you are letting yourself get irrationally upset about this guy's threads lol
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Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
April 09 2020 02:20 GMT
#8
On April 09 2020 10:34 fastr wrote:
I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the French here. This TL operator is a prime exemple of decades of a decaying French education system and a complete failure to promote English learning.

Regarding the actual content of the post, I honestly understood more of the text present in your hilarious 140p screenshot (what is this? a screenshot for ANTS?) than in your rambling, incoherent response.

Show nested quote +
but despite his usefulness, we never see any bunker inside walls ?


Then what the hell is THIS?
[image loading]
I tried to set the quality level of my screenshot on par with yours to keep a consistent theme, I hope you can spot the bunker.

Great screenshot, almost miss that bunker
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
April 09 2020 05:12 GMT
#9
On April 09 2020 10:34 fastr wrote:
I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the French here. This TL operator is a prime exemple of decades of a decaying French education system and a complete failure to promote English learning.

Regarding the actual content of the post, I honestly understood more of the text present in your hilarious 140p screenshot (what is this? a screenshot for ANTS?) than in your rambling, incoherent response.

Show nested quote +
but despite his usefulness, we never see any bunker inside walls ?


Then what the hell is THIS?
[image loading]
I tried to set the quality level of my screenshot on par with yours to keep a consistent theme, I hope you can spot the bunker.

Amazing response.
No need to apologize, I think most people know, how bad french 2nd language education is (almost as bad as US American one ) and as it s not your fault, but your teachers and your education System ones.
I once talked with a french guy, who said, he didn t know you have pronounce the words differently in english than you would in french until he went to another Country. Imagine how you d feel, going to Country and realizing when you re there, that you actually can t speak and can t understand the language..
And HE had like 3-4 years of english education at school.. makes me sad to think about it..
MaxPax
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 09 2020 05:37 GMT
#10
On April 09 2020 14:12 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 10:34 fastr wrote:
I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the French here. This TL operator is a prime exemple of decades of a decaying French education system and a complete failure to promote English learning.

Regarding the actual content of the post, I honestly understood more of the text present in your hilarious 140p screenshot (what is this? a screenshot for ANTS?) than in your rambling, incoherent response.

but despite his usefulness, we never see any bunker inside walls ?


Then what the hell is THIS?
[image loading]
I tried to set the quality level of my screenshot on par with yours to keep a consistent theme, I hope you can spot the bunker.

Amazing response.
No need to apologize, I think most people know, how bad french 2nd language education is (almost as bad as US American one ) and as it s not your fault, but your teachers and your education System ones.
I once talked with a french guy, who said, he didn t know you have pronounce the words differently in english than you would in french until he went to another Country. Imagine how you d feel, going to Country and realizing when you re there, that you actually can t speak and can t understand the language..
And HE had like 3-4 years of english education at school.. makes me sad to think about it..


Seems a bit much to entirely blame the education system when someone's thick enough not to realize the words are pronounced differently...
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5532 Posts
April 09 2020 05:43 GMT
#11
Please explain to me how building a stationary defensive structure will help control the map faster.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 09 2020 06:00 GMT
#12
On the contrary to most/all people here I understood the OP perfectly. Which or course does not change that he is wrong and all his threads are poorly thought out.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
April 09 2020 06:10 GMT
#13
On April 09 2020 14:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 14:12 dbRic1203 wrote:
On April 09 2020 10:34 fastr wrote:
I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the French here. This TL operator is a prime exemple of decades of a decaying French education system and a complete failure to promote English learning.

Regarding the actual content of the post, I honestly understood more of the text present in your hilarious 140p screenshot (what is this? a screenshot for ANTS?) than in your rambling, incoherent response.

but despite his usefulness, we never see any bunker inside walls ?


Then what the hell is THIS?
[image loading]
I tried to set the quality level of my screenshot on par with yours to keep a consistent theme, I hope you can spot the bunker.

Amazing response.
No need to apologize, I think most people know, how bad french 2nd language education is (almost as bad as US American one ) and as it s not your fault, but your teachers and your education System ones.
I once talked with a french guy, who said, he didn t know you have pronounce the words differently in english than you would in french until he went to another Country. Imagine how you d feel, going to Country and realizing when you re there, that you actually can t speak and can t understand the language..
And HE had like 3-4 years of english education at school.. makes me sad to think about it..


Seems a bit much to entirely blame the education system when someone's thick enough not to realize the words are pronounced differently...

Well that means that in all his english courses they never actually listend to someone actually *speaking* english and also the teacher didn t know how to pronounce the words. Obviously he could have done something himselfe to improve his english, but if the teacher can t speak the language, how are the students supposed to learn it?
MaxPax
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 07:02:07
April 09 2020 07:01 GMT
#14
On April 09 2020 15:10 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 14:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On April 09 2020 14:12 dbRic1203 wrote:
On April 09 2020 10:34 fastr wrote:
I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the French here. This TL operator is a prime exemple of decades of a decaying French education system and a complete failure to promote English learning.

Regarding the actual content of the post, I honestly understood more of the text present in your hilarious 140p screenshot (what is this? a screenshot for ANTS?) than in your rambling, incoherent response.

but despite his usefulness, we never see any bunker inside walls ?


Then what the hell is THIS?
[image loading]
I tried to set the quality level of my screenshot on par with yours to keep a consistent theme, I hope you can spot the bunker.

Amazing response.
No need to apologize, I think most people know, how bad french 2nd language education is (almost as bad as US American one ) and as it s not your fault, but your teachers and your education System ones.
I once talked with a french guy, who said, he didn t know you have pronounce the words differently in english than you would in french until he went to another Country. Imagine how you d feel, going to Country and realizing when you re there, that you actually can t speak and can t understand the language..
And HE had like 3-4 years of english education at school.. makes me sad to think about it..


Seems a bit much to entirely blame the education system when someone's thick enough not to realize the words are pronounced differently...

Well that means that in all his english courses they never actually listend to someone actually *speaking* english and also the teacher didn t know how to pronounce the words. Obviously he could have done something himselfe to improve his english, but if the teacher can t speak the language, how are the students supposed to learn it?



I don't think my English teachers were necessarily bad at English, but most of them were terrible teachers in general. Being a native English speaker and being good at teaching English are almost completely unrelated.

Most of my English classes were written-based. Endless grammar exercises without context, mindbogglingly repetitive lessons about preterit and past principle forms of irregular verbs, etc. Also, like you mentioned, teachers would speak French 90%+ of the time to explain an exercise or translate something because student's level is so bad that they don't understand basic English (as a direct consequence of this method of course). As a result, you'd hear maybe 10 minutes of actual English in a one hour lesson, and most students wouldn't utter a single word in English on most days.

Add to this the world class smugness of French people and their perceived superiority of the French language over English (or any other one for that matter), and you end up with a country where the only fluent English speakers are for the large majority self-taught, like myself.

Now I don't want to leave the impression that this post is stupid just because of the terrible English. I'm afraid that OP's point is proof enough.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 07:01:52
April 09 2020 07:01 GMT
#15
double post
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7216 Posts
April 09 2020 07:06 GMT
#16
On April 09 2020 14:43 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Please explain to me how building a stationary defensive structure will help control the map faster.


I think he meant you don't need to leave anything at home.
Problem is, an empty bunker is not very useful ^^
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
875 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 08:33:59
April 09 2020 07:58 GMT
#17
This is really funny how people react here...

Just kidding.. Seriously, google translate seems more smarter than most of you guys...
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 08:08:03
April 09 2020 08:07 GMT
#18
Dedicated static defense is just expensive. When they build structures like supply depots or engineering bays, these structures must be built anyway so it's considered better to use them as defensive walls than to just put them in a corner somewhere.
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xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
April 09 2020 08:31 GMT
#19
On April 09 2020 16:01 fastr wrote:
Add to this the world class smugness of French people and their perceived superiority of the French language over English (or any other one for that matter),


That's very weird about France and other European countries, IMO. It's like they see England as a rival so many people deliberately don't want to answer you in English, even if you're a tourist there and they do know English and have the option to reply to you in English (but they decide not to reply to you because of their disdain for English). Of course, as a tourist, if you're traveling throughout Europe, it's impossible to master the language of every country you visit.

Outside of Europe, this problem isn't as prevalent. Most people understand that English is the international language of communication and usually, they will do their best to reply to you in English if you're a tourist. It's just some European countries where some people don't like to reply to you in English, even if they understand you and their English is good enough to reply to you.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
875 Posts
April 09 2020 08:50 GMT
#20
On April 09 2020 17:07 Cyro wrote:
Dedicated static defense is just expensive. When they build structures like supply depots or engineering bays, these structures must be built anyway so it's considered better to use them as defensive walls than to just put them in a corner somewhere.


In the idea of keeping buildings useful, you re right but i m now questionning if they haven t stop to use enginerring bay like that ?? We ll see, but it remains a default solution since you take risks to cancel your upgrade (especially with enginerring bay)
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