• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:15
CET 08:15
KST 16:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4 [Mixed-Gender CK] Rush+4 vs Best+4 New Worlds Star League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8683 users

Maru vs Dark offrace

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
December 15 2019 03:34 GMT
#1
Hello, TL, I just wanted to share some good games I found recently.
Crank does a lot of interesting things, and this time, he did an offrace match Maru vs Dark. A lot of you guys probably didn't know this bc the title and commentary are in Korean.

I gotta say, the whole thing was hilarious, and it's a shame that there aren't english subltitles so more of us can understand.

you can find the match at Crank's youtube channel (and probably twitch but haven't checked):


Feel free to take this post down if this isn't a thing.

+ Show Spoiler +
A bit of a spoiler, but Dark loses to maru's zerg, Dark gets triggered, asks for rematch(s) and keeps on getting stomped. In the interview, Dark complains that maru's offrace 400 apm is just not fair.

Also, Crank said when he was still active, he met maru protoss, and he was better than Alicia. Crank still won, but then maru asked something like: hey mister sorry for bothering you, but what should I do in this and this scenario?
and Crank thought like: what's up with this guy? why would you care about PvP meta, you're terran!


SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
December 15 2019 09:38 GMT
#2
So in short, if maru chose zerg, he will be the greatest sc2 player rn
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
December 15 2019 10:45 GMT
#3
Maru asking for tips on PvP is hilarious.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Guiip
Profile Joined October 2016
2 Posts
December 15 2019 10:46 GMT
#4
Oh thanks for taking the time to share this ! i'm very fond of pro playing off race
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
December 15 2019 11:22 GMT
#5
I like this!
+ Show Spoiler +
Dark playing Terran? I've sporadically watched Dark stream. He sometimes offraces. His Terran isn't very good at all. It's so far from his Protoss and Zerg that you wouldn't think him a pro player if you only watched his Terran.
Sure, I haven't watched it in the last few months, but I have a hard time believing Dark improved that much during that time.
Random Platinum EU
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany332 Posts
December 15 2019 11:56 GMT
#6
On December 15 2019 20:22 Drfilip wrote:
I like this!
+ Show Spoiler +
Dark playing Terran? I've sporadically watched Dark stream. He sometimes offraces. His Terran isn't very good at all. It's so far from his Protoss and Zerg that you wouldn't think him a pro player if you only watched his Terran.
Sure, I haven't watched it in the last few months, but I have a hard time believing Dark improved that much during that time.



He also played Protoss and didnt stand a chance against Maru. :D
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
December 15 2019 13:07 GMT
#7
On December 15 2019 20:56 DarkGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2019 20:22 Drfilip wrote:
I like this!
+ Show Spoiler +
Dark playing Terran? I've sporadically watched Dark stream. He sometimes offraces. His Terran isn't very good at all. It's so far from his Protoss and Zerg that you wouldn't think him a pro player if you only watched his Terran.
Sure, I haven't watched it in the last few months, but I have a hard time believing Dark improved that much during that time.



He also played Protoss and didnt stand a chance against Maru. :D

Dark won half of PvZ. He did stand a chance.
Random Platinum EU
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
December 15 2019 13:15 GMT
#8
most terrans have fantastic offrace. its just how it is
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
December 15 2019 14:04 GMT
#9
Maru had good offraces but he only looks like a god as Terran, thankfully he plays it so we can watch his amazing gameplay.
I watched some of their ZvT this series and Dark struggles with pickup micro
WriterMaru
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 15 2019 14:14 GMT
#10
On December 15 2019 22:15 Obamarauder wrote:
most terrans have fantastic offrace. its just how it is

Specials offrace is pretty bad, as far as I know.
Reynors Terran, Lambos Protoss and Showtimes Zerg are pretty good as well. So I gues it is not realy a thing, that Players from one specific race are generally better than other with their of race
MaxPax
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
December 15 2019 14:19 GMT
#11
On December 15 2019 23:14 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2019 22:15 Obamarauder wrote:
most terrans have fantastic offrace. its just how it is

Specials offrace is pretty bad, as far as I know.
Reynors Terran, Lambos Protoss and Showtimes Zerg are pretty good as well. So I gues it is not realy a thing, that Players from one specific race are generally better than other with their of race

I can guarantee you most Korean Terrans are worse offrace players than Dark because they don't play nearly as much as him. Maru is a pretty significant outlier because he's gone to 6400 MMR and higher on his offraces (Protoss being his better one).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
December 15 2019 15:51 GMT
#12
On December 15 2019 22:15 Obamarauder wrote:
most terrans have fantastic offrace. its just how it is

Sure, since this is how it is, you have something called a proof I know, it's evil to ask for one on the interwebz.

BTW MC had a pretty stellar Terran, so good, people actually used his Terran skill to practice on a high level. Many mentioned his Terran as just slightly weaker than his P.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
December 15 2019 16:03 GMT
#13
On December 16 2019 00:51 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2019 22:15 Obamarauder wrote:
most terrans have fantastic offrace. its just how it is

Sure, since this is how it is, you have something called a proof I know, it's evil to ask for one on the interwebz.

BTW MC had a pretty stellar Terran, so good, people actually used his Terran skill to practice on a high level. Many mentioned his Terran as just slightly weaker than his P.

75% of terran posts on the internet are vague insinuations of the Great Truth all terrans know about sc2 races
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-15 16:25:30
December 15 2019 16:24 GMT
#14
Maru's offrace protoss hit 6.7K when he was streaming last season. And his zerg is at least 6.4K I think.

Dark really didn't stand a chance as terran here, the only offrace he really plays on a high GM level ks protoss.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2467 Posts
December 15 2019 16:53 GMT
#15
Can we randomize the race applicable to all the players compete at any tournament?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
December 15 2019 17:06 GMT
#16
On December 16 2019 01:53 swarminfestor wrote:
Can we randomize the race applicable to all the players compete at any tournament?

this would lower the overall skill level of all players as well as encourage people to practice only single timing-based builds and cheeses instead of macro play
TL+ Member
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 15 2019 17:37 GMT
#17
Thanks for the VOD link! Couldn’t find it
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
December 15 2019 18:02 GMT
#18
On December 16 2019 01:53 swarminfestor wrote:
Can we randomize the race applicable to all the players compete at any tournament?


Long time ago Millenium's caster Llewellys organised a very small EU tournament where the looser of the previous map choose which race the other player had to play for the next map (while he stick to the race he was himself playing the previous map). Most of the series finished with 3-2 if I remember well. It was lots of fun but not played at a very high level of play.

I can't remember when it was, but I believe Feast was playing for Millenium at that time.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Hvvacha
Profile Joined April 2018
82 Posts
December 16 2019 06:22 GMT
#19
lol ofc maru stomped him just like hero, terran skills as usual.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-16 13:37:50
December 16 2019 13:37 GMT
#20
On December 16 2019 03:02 Serimek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2019 01:53 swarminfestor wrote:
Can we randomize the race applicable to all the players compete at any tournament?


Long time ago Millenium's caster Llewellys organised a very small EU tournament where the looser of the previous map choose which race the other player had to play for the next map (while he stick to the race he was himself playing the previous map). Most of the series finished with 3-2 if I remember well. It was lots of fun but not played at a very high level of play.

I can't remember when it was, but I believe Feast was playing for Millenium at that time.


I was a great fan of lwl and I don't remember it at all Oo
The game between Souls/Reynor and Serral/Special were nices.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 4179
Shuttle 2514
Shine 360
Noble 341
Hyuk 155
ProTech154
Larva 58
ZergMaN 38
HiyA 29
Dota 2
ODPixel228
monkeys_forever62
Other Games
summit1g12101
JimRising 602
WinterStarcraft354
C9.Mang0276
Lowko208
Fuzer 134
Mew2King125
NeuroSwarm74
ViBE55
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick591
Counter-Strike
PGL185
Other Games
BasetradeTV44
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 38
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2261
League of Legends
• Rush1107
• Stunt442
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
2h 45m
KCM Race Survival
2h 45m
OSC
6h 45m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
IPSL
2 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-04
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.