Blizz: Proposed changes for post-BlizzCon patch 2019 - Pag…

On October 30 2019 10:11 dalecooper wrote:
Much better. But why are they trying to speed things up. Faster, faster. Speed up. Just curious.

On October 30 2019 10:19 Nakajin wrote:


Hum idk with -1 range on BL I think stalker will do surprisingly well against them. Blink play against them already isn't that terrible if you can hit a timing.
As for lurker we'll see, I think as they have been pretty much out of the meta in a while it will take time to figure out if protoss has a decent counter against them with the new patch.

On October 30 2019 10:54 Ben... wrote:

For the most part I agree that speeding things up for the sake of speeding things up is bad, but I think this is the one case where it's good. Protoss ground units are all very slow, including the units that absorb damage like zealots, which makes doing things like flanks quite tricky because they can't be done reactively. Making it so zealots can move faster and get into position easier will allow more of this type of play style.

With the current numbers listed, zealots with charge will be about ~14.3% faster than they currently are with charge, and the speed is the same as bio that is stimmed. That's a big jump but with the trade-off of no damage on first hit with charge, it balances out nicely because it means that even though that 8 damage is gone on contact, because the zealots can now more easily chase down units, they are far more likely to land more hits. This change is a big deal because it stops the huge damage spike that happens currently when a bunch of charge zealots initially hit a target, but will instead allow them to be more consistent with dealing damage. For example, against a bio army, zealots can now keep up with charge. Previously, if a group of zealots attacked a bio ball, the bio army would take their initial damage from charge but then essentially be able to stim and kite the zealots on cooldown to death because they could never catch up. Now they can catch up, but instead the protoss won't be guaranteed to kill several units every time their zealots charge. The charge will now get the zealots close, and the speed will allow them to chase the rest of the way so it will come down to the terran microing their bio versus the protoss microing their zealots and keeping the zealots slowed by marauders from blocking the others chasing the bio down.

Against zerg, charge zealots are now comfortably faster than both roaches and hydras with speed off creep (both of those units have an off-creep speed of around 4ish, with roaches slightly faster). This will enable protoss to finally be able to more easily chase down zerg armies that try and fail to do busts for example. They can also now chase down upgraded lurkers as they are now faster than them too off creep.

It's a pretty cool change.

On October 30 2019 10:19 Nakajin wrote:


Hum idk with -1 range on BL I think stalker will do surprisingly well against them. Blink play against them already isn't that terrible if you can hit a timing.
As for lurker we'll see, I think as they have been pretty much out of the meta in a while it will take time to figure out if protoss has a decent counter against them with the new patch.

On October 30 2019 11:02 pzlama333 wrote:
Just report that the damage reduction of Microbial Shroud works before armor. For example, a 3/3 carrier will do (8/2-3)*2 = 1*2 damage per interceptor attack against 3/3 hydralisk, equivalent as 80% damage reduction. 28 hydralisks can kill all interceptors of 10 carriers with 20 hydra left. So it may worth a try.
9-range psi storm and colossus can be prevented by 10-range lurkers.

On October 30 2019 11:30 BerserkSword wrote:


Oh yea I agree that there is a window to punish BLs when there is little support for them. Same could be said about infestor though. I remember neeb beating serral with that timing.

In a late game scenario, though, Protoss cannot afford to stick to ground-based comps because BLs w/ support and/or critical mass of lurkers just dominates groundtoss.

I do think Protoss can beat lurkers....but with skytoss. The 10 range lurkers are insane vs groundtoss (as per wardi's pro tournament on the balance patch). But I am of the opinion that even the current lurker at critical mass beats ground toss.

On October 30 2019 12:55 washikie wrote:



I'm thinking we might see disruptors out of toss to deal with lurkers rather than skytoss or maybe disruptor tempest. Their might be a cool dance between vipers trying to abduct disruptors and protoss trying to get value shots on lurkers. Disrutpors range is larger than 10 so It could definitely be a strat.

On October 30 2019 12:07 tigon_ridge wrote:
I echo Ret's opinion that this is going to evolve into a disruptor/storm fest, and zerg will be clearly disadvantaged in almost every 200 vs 200 lategame big engagement. Zerg will have to rely on multi-prong engagements in lategame to win. Just about everything on the Zerg's side is getting nerfed, while Zerg will have to deal with a lot more drops and VR harassment/hatchery snipes. If this patch goes through, I'm predicting that Zerg will be lagging by roughly 5-8% in the future, which I guess at least isn't as bad as how much protoss is currently lagging by (15%). I'd be glad to be proven wrong, though.

On October 30 2019 11:49 Ryu3600 wrote:
The updated patch notes look really really good. The idea of moving away anti air from the infestor and giving it a more defensive and even sieging mechanic with microbial shroud is really cool to me.