EPTWho is the Best? - Page 3
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On September 20 2019 05:20 Durnuu wrote: It's either this guy or that guy. I'm going with the latter since Terran obviously is the most skilled race. Words of truth. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
But with that Alligulac gives quite a good starting point in my eyes. Top Zerg: Serral, Dark, Rogue, Solar, Reynor Top Terran: Maru, TY, Cure, Inno Top Protoss: Stats, Classic, Hero, Dear, Zest, Showtime, Neeb, Trap After that its pretty much up to debate. In my eyes it s Serral, than Maru, than nothing by a big margin.. | ||
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IamGoat
7 Posts
What a time to be alive | ||
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
Some Statistics Money Won 1 Maru 776k 2 Serral 734 k 3 Innovation 685k 4 Rogue 626k 5 Sos 598k Highest Elo Rating Ever Achieved Overal 1 Serral 3170 2 Maru 3073 3 Dark 2941 4 TY 2879 5 Innovation 2847 Vs Protoss 1 Serral 3191 2 Maru 2911 3 Solar 2900 4 Rogue 2887 5 Dark 2851 Vs Terra 1 Serral 3126 2 Dark 3124 3 Maru 3060 4 Solar 2959 5 Classic 2936 Vs Zerg 1 Maru 3265 2 Serral 3195 3 Showtime 3013 4 Neeb 2986 5 Innovation 2942 Hall of Fame 1 Innovation 13117 2 Serral 11918 3 Maru 10542 4 Mvp 6216 5 Dark 5337 Overal Tournament Winnings Longest Streak Top Elo Rating Longest Winning Streak Longest Streak without losing Highest Win% in different areas Highest MMR Rating ,,, and so on and so on You can bring up countles Statistics but there has to be a way to measure importancy and Value from different Statistics and bring them all together to a final overall all time best list If there realy would be such a perfect measure System i would not be shocked if the list would look something like this : that list is of course just a "maybe" 1 Serral 2 Maru 3 Innovation 4 Mvp | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On September 20 2019 20:51 tilhorizon wrote: All Time Records Some Statistics Money Won 1 Maru 776k 2 Serral 734 k 3 Innovation 685k 4 Rogue 626k 5 Sos 598k Highest Elo Rating Ever Achieved Overal 1 Serral 3170 2 Maru 3073 3 Dark 2941 4 TY 2879 5 Innovation 2847 Vs Protoss 1 Serral 3191 2 Maru 2911 3 Solar 2900 4 Rogue 2887 5 Dark 2851 Vs Terra 1 Serral 3126 2 Dark 3124 3 Maru 3060 4 Solar 2959 5 Classic 2936 Vs Zerg 1 Maru 3265 2 Serral 3195 3 Showtime 3013 4 Neeb 2986 5 Innovation 2942 Hall of Fame 1 Innovation 13117 2 Serral 11918 3 Maru 10542 4 Mvp 6216 5 Dark 5337 Overal Tournament Winnings Longest Streak Top Elo Rating Longest Winning Streak Longest Streak without losing Highest Win% in different areas Highest MMR Rating ,,, and so on and so on You can bring up countles Statistics but there has to be a way to measure importancy and Value from different Statistics and bring them all together to a final overall all time best list If there realy would be such a perfect measure System i would not be shocked if the list would lock something like this : 1 Serral 2 Maru 3 Innovation 4 Mvp that list is of course just a "maybe" I struggle to see how you can place Serral above Inno considering comparable prestige of the tournaments they have won though. | ||
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
but maybe i am wrong | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On September 20 2019 20:51 tilhorizon wrote: All Time Records Some Statistics Money Won 1 Maru 776k 2 Serral 734 k 3 Innovation 685k 4 Rogue 626k 5 Sos 598k Highest Elo Rating Ever Achieved Overal 1 Serral 3170 2 Maru 3073 3 Dark 2941 4 TY 2879 5 Innovation 2847 Vs Protoss 1 Serral 3191 2 Maru 2911 3 Solar 2900 4 Rogue 2887 5 Dark 2851 Vs Terra 1 Serral 3126 2 Dark 3124 3 Maru 3060 4 Solar 2959 5 Classic 2936 Vs Zerg 1 Maru 3265 2 Serral 3195 3 Showtime 3013 4 Neeb 2986 5 Innovation 2942 Hall of Fame 1 Innovation 13117 2 Serral 11918 3 Maru 10542 4 Mvp 6216 5 Dark 5337 Overal Tournament Winnings Longest Streak Top Elo Rating Longest Winning Streak Longest Streak without losing Highest Win% in different areas Highest MMR Rating ,,, and so on and so on You can bring up countles Statistics but there has to be a way to measure importancy and Value from different Statistics and bring them all together to a final overall all time best list If there realy would be such a perfect measure System i would not be shocked if the list would look something like this : that list is of course just a "maybe" 1 Serral 2 Maru 3 Innovation 4 Mvp (0 Life) 1 Serral 2 Maru 3 Innovation 4 Mvp fixed. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26155 Posts
On September 20 2019 10:06 Kitai wrote: Apologies. Rogue is our Official Unofficial World Champion. Much better, thank you good sir. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26155 Posts
On September 20 2019 20:51 tilhorizon wrote: All Time Records Some Statistics Money Won 1 Maru 776k 2 Serral 734 k 3 Innovation 685k 4 Rogue 626k 5 Sos 598k Highest Elo Rating Ever Achieved Overal 1 Serral 3170 2 Maru 3073 3 Dark 2941 4 TY 2879 5 Innovation 2847 Vs Protoss 1 Serral 3191 2 Maru 2911 3 Solar 2900 4 Rogue 2887 5 Dark 2851 Vs Terra 1 Serral 3126 2 Dark 3124 3 Maru 3060 4 Solar 2959 5 Classic 2936 Vs Zerg 1 Maru 3265 2 Serral 3195 3 Showtime 3013 4 Neeb 2986 5 Innovation 2942 Hall of Fame 1 Innovation 13117 2 Serral 11918 3 Maru 10542 4 Mvp 6216 5 Dark 5337 Overal Tournament Winnings Longest Streak Top Elo Rating Longest Winning Streak Longest Streak without losing Highest Win% in different areas Highest MMR Rating ,,, and so on and so on You can bring up countles Statistics but there has to be a way to measure importancy and Value from different Statistics and bring them all together to a final overall all time best list If there realy would be such a perfect measure System i would not be shocked if the list would look something like this : that list is of course just a "maybe" 1 Serral 2 Maru 3 Innovation 4 Mvp I think Inno’s peak ELO is way too low, for whatever reason that might be. I’d assume that with an entire new dataset of players in the Kespa transition, playing a lot of games in closed competitions such as Proleague, it took a while for ELO ratings to accurately reflect the quality of those players vs how they were ranked. My best guess anyway, not really my area of expertise. Even nowadays it’s difficult to have accurate ELO ratings for players in separate scenes of differing average skill. Serral is a bit different because he does just kind of beat everyone, but I think guys like Showtime and HeRoMaRinE are relatively inflated by WCS results. Inno’s TvZ when he was rocking that 93% win rate or whatever and stomping everyone was IMO probably the strongest individual matchup for a period that any player has had, but he’s only vZ rank 5th all-time. ELO rankings are useful of course, but they’re way more accurate when participants all play within the same kind of system. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On September 20 2019 22:05 Wombat_NI wrote: I think Inno’s peak ELO is way too low, for whatever reason that might be. I’d assume that with an entire new dataset of players in the Kespa transition, playing a lot of games in closed competitions such as Proleague, it took a while for ELO ratings to accurately reflect the quality of those players vs how they were ranked. My best guess anyway, not really my area of expertise. Even nowadays it’s difficult to have accurate ELO ratings for players in separate scenes of differing average skill. Serral is a bit different because he does just kind of beat everyone, but I think guys like Showtime and HeRoMaRinE are relatively inflated by WCS results. Inno’s TvZ when he was rocking that 93% win rate or whatever and stomping everyone was IMO probably the strongest individual matchup for a period that any player has had, but he’s only vZ rank 5th all-time. ELO rankings are useful of course, but they’re way more accurate when participants all play within the same kind of system. I think it's because his peak was in 2017 and he has never been on top after 2017 so he didn't benefit from rating inflation. The inflation does not look as bad now but if you look a couple years back, the best player elo was like low 2000s. Overall, I'd say aligulac elo is useful but should be considered within the context of it's time. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26155 Posts
On September 20 2019 22:27 Anc13nt wrote: I think it's because his peak was in 2017 and he has never been on top after 2017 so he didn't benefit from rating inflation. The inflation does not look as bad now but if you look a couple years back, the best player elo was like low 2000s. Overall, I'd say aligulac elo is useful but should be considered within the context of it's time. I think his actual peak at least in vZ, relative to the players in the scene was in 2013 if anything Which as you alluded to will be even more deflated than later ratings: | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
e.g. I find it highly unlikely that anybody would claim that Mamedyarov, Liren, and Radjabov are greater all time Chess players than Fischer or Karpov. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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GalacticFox
15 Posts
1.(Life if he is to be included) or Maru 2.Serral If Serral were to win wcs this year, he would take the top place. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On September 21 2019 00:00 GalacticFox wrote: Although I see Serral becoming one of the best if not the best. Let's also not forget that he's playing in a highly zerg favoured meta at the moment. Life on the other hand wasn't but well life is gone now. The way I see it, 1.(Life if he is to be included) or Maru 2.Serral If Serral were to win wcs this year, he would take the top place. All Life-Maru and Serral in front of INno is crazy | ||
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IamGoat
7 Posts
On September 20 2019 21:01 Z3nith wrote: I struggle to see how you can place Serral above Inno considering comparable prestige of the tournaments they have won though. Blizzcon is the most prestige and has the highest honor. The one trophy all pros want and gunning for. Serral is on this mission to came back to back Blizzcon as the undisputed GOAT. | ||
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