StarCraft II's summer classic returns to Seoul on August 15-18 at GSL vs. The World 2019. Eight players from Korea's GSL and eight players from the WCS Circuit will compete for over 100,000,000 Korean Won in prize money.
Last year's competition saw Finand's Serral topple the proud Korean representatives on their home turf, a precursor to his ultimate triumph at the 2018 WCS Global Finals. With Serral at the forefront, the so-called 'foreigners' will look to win another historic victory in StarCraft's adopted homeland. Once again, the fans will have a crucial say in which players will travel to Seoul and represent Team World.
Team World: Fan Vote
Eight players will play for Team World. The Terran, Protoss, and Zerg players who have earned the most WCS Circuit points so far this year have been invited: SpeCial, Serral, and Neeb. TIME has also been invited as China's representative. Team World's remaining four players will be decided by the TL.net fan vote.
Here's how the voting works:
The highest vote recipient of each TL.net faction vote (Terran, Protoss, Zerg) will earn a spot on Team World.
The last remaining spot on Team World will go to the player who receives the next-highest number of votes, counted across all three faction votes. So even if your favorite player doesn't win their faction vote outright, your vote can still help them earn a spot on Team World.
You must login with a valid TL.net account in order to vote. You can register here.
Voting will close on Thursday, Aug 01 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
HeroMarine: HeroMarine has played an important role in redeeming the once-derided label of 'foreign Terran,' pushing the limits of mech play and terrorizing Europe's famously strong contingent of Zergs. Combined with clever all-ins that keep his opponents on their toes, it's not hard to see why "Big Gabe" has been the most successful European Terran over the past two years.
MaSa: Though often overshadowed by North America's high-profile stars, MaSa deserves to be recognized as one of the best players the region has to offer. Some would call his plays cheesy—we say they're audacious and decisive. He's a player who always hunting for an upset, and a trip to Seoul could see him take down his biggest prey yet.
Clem: Fresh off a good showing at WCS Summer, GSL vs. The World is may end up being the next big step in the seventeen-year-old Terran's development. Clem has so far shown a great deal of potential but still lacks the resume and accomplishments to really stand out from his peers. However, if there’s one stage where we know young Terran prodigies can come into their own, it’s South Korea.
Kelazhur: With five Copa América titles and a remarkable Global Finals run in 2017, Kelazhur is undoubtedly one of the best players to ever to come out of the Latin America region. Executing unorthodox and old-school strategies with exquisite finesse, Kelazhur is a tricky foe for anyone to face.
uThermal: Entertaining both on and off the battlefield, uThermal has held the Terran banner up high in Europe for many years. Combining his potent mechanics and hand-speed with a keen tactical sense, uThermal has left many an opponent dizzied and outmaneuvered. His frenetic style is a joy to watch, and could even present a challenge for the mighty Koreans.
MarineLorD: As one of Legacy of the Void's most promising players, MarineLorD's sudden retirement in 2017 took the StarCraft II community by surprise. He's quickly regained his footing since making his return, leaving fans to wonder if he can best his most famous feat: a sweep of Team Korea in the finals of Nation Wars III.
Team World: Zerg
Poll: Team World - Zerg
Reynor (3528)
18%
Elazer (11756)
61%
Scarlett (3298)
17%
Lambo (367)
2%
Cham (108)
1%
TLO (208)
1%
19265 total votes
This poll is closed.
Reynor: Somehow, it's gone overlooked that Reynor has won more WCS Circuit events than Serral this year, claiming both the WCS Winter: Europe and WCS Summer titles. The rising star has looked to upstage at Serral at every turn, but still finds himself trailing far behind in terms of non-Circuit success. A high finish at GSL vs. The World could be the next step in his meteoric ascent.
Elazer: Despite being one of the many former champions to be overshadowed in Serral's rise, Elazer has remained one of Europe's true innovators who is unafraid of going for unique and exceptional builds (heck, even soO went straight to an Elazer VOD when he needed a Nydus build for a must-win GSL match). While Europe may be flooded with strong Zergs, Elazer's style makes him particularly suited for a battle against the Koreans.
Scarlett: Adapted to Korea by living and practicing there for longer than almost any other non-Korean in StarCraft history, Scarlett has become a regular in GSL Code S. She's also turned that experience into a rare championship on Korean soil, winning IEM Pyeongchang in 2018. While Scarlett's form may be erratic, she's proven she can beat the Koreans to a championship when she's operating at her peak.
Lambo: One of the most confident and cerebral Zergs Europe has ever produced, Lambo can’t be all too happy with how he's been overshadowed by some of his younger peers this year. In theory, Lambo knows where Korean progamers have blind spots and holes in their game. Why not give him a chance to put those theories to the test?
Cham: Emerging as a breakout player during the 2017 season, Cham overcame a 2018 slump to shake up the WCS Circuit scene once more with a top five finish at WCS Winter: Americas. How can he make the jump to the next level? Perhaps his countryman SpeCial has the answer: make the pilgrimage to Korea and fight for survival in the most competitive scene.
TLO: TLO was one of the first foreigners to leave a mark on Korean StarCraft II, nuking Hyperdub into oblivion during the first season of the GSL. Nine years later, competing in GSL vs. The World would be a homecoming of sorts for the veteran Zerg, completing the circle and giving him a chance to prove that he's going strong after a long and eventful career.
Team World: Protoss
Poll: Team World - Protoss
ShoWTimE (3916)
61%
PtitDrogo (639)
10%
Probe (180)
3%
Goblin (209)
3%
Astrea (195)
3%
Harstem (1259)
20%
6398 total votes
This poll is closed.
ShoWTimE: ShoWTimE takes the archetype of a defensive macro Protoss to its extreme, able to miraculously hold off attacks no one else could withstand. It's no wonder he's earned the nickname "die Mauer" (the Wall). After shrugging off a brief slump to reach the top four at WCS Summer, ShoWTimE is well on his way to recovering the form that once saw him reach the top eight of the WCS Global Finals.
PtitDrogo: Few players are as proud to represent their country as PtitDrogo, who rocked a beret at the 2016 Global Finals. This year is the closest he's come to earning a return, placing top four at WCS: Winter Europe. Who knows what we'll see from the Frenchman should he earn a spot on Team World—will it be solid macro play, or will it be galaxy-brain subversions of the current meta?
Probe: A prominent figure in the Australian StarCraft scene, Probe has proven that you don't have to hail from one of the 'major' regions to have an impact on international competition. After ruffling some feathers on the WCS Circuit, GSL vs. The World could be Probe's chance to leave his strongest impression yet.
Goblin: Europe's rising stars aren't just Zergs and Terrans—Protoss fans also have someone to look forward to in Goblin. The creative-minded youngster from Croatia could be easy pickings for the veteran Koreans, IF they scout out his style beforehand. Of course, history tells us that's a very big IF. Should he get the opportunity, Goblin could end up being the most entertaining and confounding player of the tournament.
Astrea: After competing for several years, Astrea finally had his breakout season in WCS Winter by finishing in the top six of the Americas tournament. It’s hard for an American Protoss to get any recognition underneath the gigantic shadow of Neeb, but Astrea is a man of ambition—if one American Protoss can make it big in Korea, why not another one?
Harstem: A true social butterfly and soul of every HomeStory Cup party, Harstem should be looking to prove that 2019 (just like every year since 2011) is the Year of Harstem. 2016 might have been the year where he won the most titles, but 2019 could be made just as meaningful with some big upsets at GSL vs. The World. Hop aboard, El Capitan needs your votes!
Theoretically it's pretty obvious who should win these polls, but blind favoritism has never been stopped by logic before. And that's why I voted for Harstem.
On July 25 2019 04:08 Elentos wrote: Theoretically it's pretty obvious who should win these polls, but blind favoritism has never been stopped by logic before. And that's why I voted for Harstem.
if this was a forum that allowed low effort memes (har har), I'd put up the 'wild card bitches!' clip from always sunny in philly
I really think that this time around team world has a pretty decent chance of winning. Serral will probably win his game and the others have a good shot, I will put Neeb, Reynor and Special up there with the top 16 koreans.
Voted the obvious Heromarine, Showtime and Reynor. All clear cut picks there.
That vote total for Heromarine, though. Not to say that he doesn't deserve it, because he's clearly the top pick for that crop of players, but damn his fans showed up!
On July 25 2019 04:24 vult wrote: Voted the obvious Heromarine, Showtime and Reynor. All clear cut picks there.
That vote total for Heromarine, though. Not to say that he doesn't deserve it, because he's clearly the top pick for that crop of players, but damn his fans showed up!
Well, it's not a good time zone for them, but when the Brazilian CS:GO crowd shows to support Kelazhur up Gabe could still use a few more votes.
On July 25 2019 04:24 vult wrote: Voted the obvious Heromarine, Showtime and Reynor. All clear cut picks there.
That vote total for Heromarine, though. Not to say that he doesn't deserve it, because he's clearly the top pick for that crop of players, but damn his fans showed up!
I'd argue that Kelazhur/uThermal can play on the same level as HeroMarine.
On July 25 2019 04:24 vult wrote: Voted the obvious Heromarine, Showtime and Reynor. All clear cut picks there.
That vote total for Heromarine, though. Not to say that he doesn't deserve it, because he's clearly the top pick for that crop of players, but damn his fans showed up!
I'd argue that Kelazhur/uThermal can play on the same level as HeroMarine.
They can, but they certainly don't do it as consistently as him.
On July 25 2019 04:24 vult wrote: Voted the obvious Heromarine, Showtime and Reynor. All clear cut picks there.
That vote total for Heromarine, though. Not to say that he doesn't deserve it, because he's clearly the top pick for that crop of players, but damn his fans showed up!
I'd argue that Kelazhur/uThermal can play on the same level as HeroMarine.
Kelazhur is a part time player, wouldn't expect much from him even if the Brazilian CS:GO scene votes him in again.
The change in format in this case was detrimental to Reynor, hopefully the votation will give him his spot back to him following the current trend; Scarlett seriously risks not to go at this rate.
Heromarine having so many votes seems kind of inappropriate to me but I wouldn't actually mind to see him and uThermal at GSL vs The World; I just hope Heromarine doesn't repeat the embarassing performance he had at BlizzCon last year and finally gets to beat a decent korean player: he has been performing well in WCS and quite poorly outside of it.
On July 25 2019 04:24 vult wrote: Voted the obvious Heromarine, Showtime and Reynor. All clear cut picks there.
That vote total for Heromarine, though. Not to say that he doesn't deserve it, because he's clearly the top pick for that crop of players, but damn his fans showed up!
Well, it's not a good time zone for them, but when the Brazilian CS:GO crowd shows to support Kelazhur up Gabe could still use a few more votes.
Yes, vote Starcraft fans! Don't let the vote be determined by people who don't care about Starcraft.
Disagree with the results being shown before the final tally has been taken. Excited for the tournament and hoping for the same stellar production as last year.
I voted for people based on their rankings, but I still think scarlet has always underperformed for her ladder/general ability to play. Seems like she comes up short in tournaments generally. Hope she can get the 4th spot. Currently, she is leading there, and the Z lineup would be pretty stacked if she does get in; not to mention the 2 god toss players. Honestly, I might even lean towards The World Team having a better lineup than Korea this year O.o wtff
While I understand fans want to see Scarlett but she has been atrocious this year outside her solitary WESG run she has been a ghost. She took a leap backwards and doesnt seem as invested in sc2 as she used to be. She plays a lot of Dota as well. Like kelazur she is part time atm. My hope was we get to see Trap who would of been auto invited in the older rules. But that doesn't look likely now.
On July 25 2019 11:27 RealityTheGreat wrote: Scarlett's votes will exceed Reynor.
Sure hope so, outside ZvZ and its volatile nature, Reynor doesn't really pose an actual challenge to Koreans.
The issue is Scarlett has been losing to some really bad players lately. Unless you include her WESG run She hasn't beaten a Korean in a wcs event in quite some time.
On July 25 2019 11:27 RealityTheGreat wrote: Scarlett's votes will exceed Reynor.
being a fan favorite I could see her getting a big jump in voting but shell probably end up a safe 4th
I guess he is referring to the Chinese fandom... since she is using that Chinese social media Weiboo lately she only has to mention this and post the link and she will get hundreds of votes.
I would like to see her play, but honestly Reynor deserves this much more: he is way better right now, more invested in SC2 and more fun to watch, plus this would be his first GSLvsWorld.
On July 25 2019 11:27 RealityTheGreat wrote: Scarlett's votes will exceed Reynor.
being a fan favorite I could see her getting a big jump in voting but shell probably end up a safe 4th
I guess he is referring to the Chinese fandom... since she is using that Chinese social media Weiboo lately she only has to mention this and post the link and she will get hundreds of votes.
I would like to see her play, but honestly Reynor deserves this much more: he is way better right now, more invested in SC2 and more fun to watch, plus this would be his first GSLvsWorld.
you make a very good point, i didn't take that into account. but Reynor is still up on votes to uthermal and harstem so wouldnt he get the wildcard spot if Scarlett surpassed him??
On July 25 2019 09:02 shortistuff wrote: Where is my Has? Why can't I vote for Has?
You can’t vote for players that don’t have a certain amount of WCS Points. Has “has” had a pretty bad year. He got in last year based on his WCS Valencia run which gave him a ton of points.
Am I the only one who thinks this format kinda sucks? Why do I have to vote for a particular race? Why can’t I just vote for my top four instead (outside the invites, which I tend to agree with for the most part)?
For example, I voted for ShoWTimE in Protoss but in all honesty I don’t think any of the World Protoss player options are worthy of being included. None of them have done enough to deserve top eight consideration.
Same sort of thing is happening on the Korean side where a lot of people are voting for Stats and PartinG instead of Trap: excuse me, have any of you been actually watching this year? 👀
I want the best players from each side and I don’t like being pigeon holed because of the races they play, that’s my rant.
On July 25 2019 15:48 MrMischelito wrote: was it gsl vs the world where there was so much discussion and drama about one of the players reaching out to fans of a different community for votes?
Yeah, Kelazhur got voted in last time by Brazilian CS:GO fans.
On July 25 2019 17:58 Harris1st wrote: First places pretty clear right now. Wildcard favorites are Scarlett, uthermal and Harstem right now. Is it finally the year of Harstem (again)?
It's just been 14 hours and there's still a week to go. I assume things can still happen especially cause TL doesn't enforce any criteria of activity or age on accounts eligible to vote
they should hide the current amount of votes, It creates runaway votes because people feel its pointless to vote for anyone other than the player with the highest amount of votes so far
On July 25 2019 09:02 shortistuff wrote: Where is my Has? Why can't I vote for Has?
You can’t vote for players that don’t have a certain amount of WCS Points. Has “has” had a pretty bad year. He got in last year based on his WCS Valencia run which gave him a ton of points.
Am I the only one who thinks this format kinda sucks? Why do I have to vote for a particular race? Why can’t I just vote for my top four instead (outside the invites, which I tend to agree with for the most part)?
For example, I voted for ShoWTimE in Protoss but in all honesty I don’t think any of the World Protoss player options are worthy of being included. None of them have done enough to deserve top eight consideration.
Showtime is top 8 in the WCS standings and made top 4 at WCS Summer. If he doesn't deserve top 8 consideration there's nobody else who deserves your vote in his stead either.
This vote is actually leading to Team World getting represented by the top 8 players in WCS, except Scarlett (#9 in WCS) is gonna take Elazer's spot.
On July 25 2019 11:27 RealityTheGreat wrote: Scarlett's votes will exceed Reynor.
Sure hope so, outside ZvZ and its volatile nature, Reynor doesn't really pose an actual challenge to Koreans.
scarlett hasn't been performing very well this year, also i would urge you to take a look at gsl 2018 season 3. if nothing else, reynor made it to the round of 16 after defeating classic 2:0 in the 5th match. at any rate, at seems both reynor, as the leading zerg representative, and scarlett, as the leading 4th player, will make it.
For those who are whining about the voting format... Come on, this is GSL vs. World, this is a tournament where MY favourite player plays against YOUR favourite player. These players don't have to the best of best. That's what the WCS Global Final is for.
On July 25 2019 22:03 mcVV wrote: Can someone explain why the current wcs standings appear different than who was invited? Was there an earlier cutoff?
It's the #1 Zerg, #1 Terran, #1 Protoss, and #1 Chinese players. So it actually matches.
On July 25 2019 22:03 mcVV wrote: Can someone explain why the current wcs standings appear different than who was invited? Was there an earlier cutoff?
It's the #1 Zerg, #1 Terran, #1 Protoss, and #1 Chinese players. So it actually matches.
This is a very weird setup and encourages "strategic voting".
(1) results are visible, so you know what is happening (2) the 4th spot going to the highest second place has all kinds of strategies associated with how you should then vote.
In my case, I would like to see (Reynor), Scarlett and Harstem. Because of (1), I can see that Reynor is pretty safe. Between Harstem and Scarlett, I prefer Scarlett. So I should really not vote for Harstem, because he is going to lose to Showtime anyway, so a vote for Harstem increases the chance of Scarlett not being the highest second place...
This should *really* have used Borda or Condorcet voting just like the TLMC vote.
I don't think hiding the results would really make them 'better'. In a first past the post system, the results would be flawed no matter how you do it. I would rather have strategic voting than to have a player I don't like advance over a player I do because I voted for someone with no chance. The solution is a different voting system.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
Time might just be the 2nd best foreign terran acutally. its between him, heromarine and uthermal. results wise, its probably uthermal, but cmon, Time is so much better than anyone else in china, inviting him should be a given
On July 26 2019 03:41 KalWarkov wrote: ppl voting scarlett over Reynor. what a joke.
i prefer uthermal over heromarine vs korean opposition tbh, but its understandable heromarine gets the vote. showtime is a no brainer.
If people see Reynor is very likely to make it, then they may vote for someone else to get the 4th spot. That's not necessarily picking Scarlett "over" Reynor. Voting solely for your #1 choice in this kind of poll can be a waste of your vote. That's the rational behind "strategic voting".
On July 25 2019 11:27 RealityTheGreat wrote: Scarlett's votes will exceed Reynor.
Sure hope so, outside ZvZ and its volatile nature, Reynor doesn't really pose an actual challenge to Koreans.
Scarlett has finished 3rd, 4th, and 4th in her GSL groups this year. Scarlett's only series win over a Korean was in a... you guessed it: ZvZ
Compare their WCS Circuit results. Scarlett did well in the welfare tournament of the welfare circuit. Reynor is a 2-time WCS Champion.
Reynor has a 50% win ratio against koreans and he reached ro16 in Code S before being able to play in WCS, I wouldn't say he isn't a threat. And ZvZ isn't that volatile, we aren't speaking of BW.
I have to agree that Harstem or Thermy would be more interesting since we see Scarlett vs KR all the time and her results there have been less than stellar as of late (though better than some here give her credit for). I doubt she'll lose a popularity contest though
On July 25 2019 09:02 shortistuff wrote: Where is my Has? Why can't I vote for Has?
You can’t vote for players that don’t have a certain amount of WCS Points. Has “has” had a pretty bad year. He got in last year based on his WCS Valencia run which gave him a ton of points.
Am I the only one who thinks this format kinda sucks? Why do I have to vote for a particular race? Why can’t I just vote for my top four instead (outside the invites, which I tend to agree with for the most part)?
For example, I voted for ShoWTimE in Protoss but in all honesty I don’t think any of the World Protoss player options are worthy of being included. None of them have done enough to deserve top eight consideration.
Showtime is top 8 in the WCS standings and made top 4 at WCS Summer. If he doesn't deserve top 8 consideration there's nobody else who deserves your vote in his stead either.
This vote is actually leading to Team World getting represented by the top 8 players in WCS, except Scarlett (#9 in WCS) is gonna take Elazer's spot.
My point was using ShoWTimE as an example: I would’ve been much happier voting for two Zergs than a Protoss in World because I feel that Reynor, Scarlett and Elazer all have done more to deserve an invite to this than ShoWTimE whom I consider the top World Protoss candidate. Scarlett is behind him in WCS Standings, yes: but those do not account for the two GSLs she played in and her top four finish at WESG. The argument was more about the fact that there were more deserving players in other race factions this year. And before you ask - I’m a Protoss apologist. :-)
On July 25 2019 09:02 shortistuff wrote: Where is my Has? Why can't I vote for Has?
You can’t vote for players that don’t have a certain amount of WCS Points. Has “has” had a pretty bad year. He got in last year based on his WCS Valencia run which gave him a ton of points.
Am I the only one who thinks this format kinda sucks? Why do I have to vote for a particular race? Why can’t I just vote for my top four instead (outside the invites, which I tend to agree with for the most part)?
For example, I voted for ShoWTimE in Protoss but in all honesty I don’t think any of the World Protoss player options are worthy of being included. None of them have done enough to deserve top eight consideration.
Showtime is top 8 in the WCS standings and made top 4 at WCS Summer. If he doesn't deserve top 8 consideration there's nobody else who deserves your vote in his stead either.
This vote is actually leading to Team World getting represented by the top 8 players in WCS, except Scarlett (#9 in WCS) is gonna take Elazer's spot.
My point was using ShoWTimE as an example: I would’ve been much happier voting for two Zergs than a Protoss in World because I feel that Reynor, Scarlett and Elazer all have done more to deserve an invite to this than ShoWTimE whom I consider the top World Protoss candidate. Scarlett is behind him in WCS Standings, yes: but those do not account for the two GSLs she played in and her top four finish at WESG. The argument was more about the fact that there were more deserving players in other race factions this year. And before you ask - I’m a Protoss apologist. :-)
The GSLs she played in where she accomplished nothing beyond qualifying? Those make up the gap in WCS points between Scarlett and Elazer because she decided not to play WCS Spring. So basically Showtime is slightly ahead in WCS and slightly behind in non-WCS of both of them. He also has the most recent strong performance and generally seems to have an upward trend in his form. I don't think the 2 are objectively more deserving than him, preference I suppose. Reynor doesn't need discussion obviously.
But all of that is of course beside the point that Blizzard want to have a relatively even racial distribution because people just don't like certain match-ups. Mirrors in particular have gotten a lot of hate over the years. And that's why you can't vote for multiple players of the same race. And probably a reason they changed the format for this year with no prior notice, because it's the first time since GSL vs The World was created that the top 4 of WCS Korea didn't have every race represented.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
Time might just be the 2nd best foreign terran acutally. its between him, heromarine and uthermal. results wise, its probably uthermal, but cmon, Time is so much better than anyone else in china, inviting him should be a given
What results?
Special, TIME, & HeRoMaRinE is the pretty clear top-3.
INnoVation - GSL hasn’t been kind to him this year, that is true. But he had a runner up finish at HomeStory Cup XVIII and won a premier tournament this year in WESG, beating Serral. I really do like TY but since BlizzCon what has he REALLY done?
soO: This is an easy sell. He won IEM Katowice. He clearly is the “2nd best” performing Korean Zerg this year. Rogue has done next to nothing since BlizzCon so he never entered my mind as a viable choice.
Trap: Honestly, this man deserved to be seeded. Two GSL Top fours plus a decent Katowice run, top four in KR points. There’s no other right choice. Stats would’ve been the option if Trap had been seeded, but his accomplishments are not as impressive this year.
WORLD:
HeRoMaRinE: The best European Terran, he’s consistently gotten deep at every WCS Event and has proven he can hold his own with the Koreans. (Honestly I kinda want to see him go against Dark just for the explosion of ego in the studio between the two 😂)
Reynor: There’s really no other choice here. Actually stop and think about this: Reynor has won more Circuit titles than Serral in 2019. Nuff said. My runner up would be Scarlett - 2 GSL entries, top 8 in Summer, runner up in Winter and top four in WESG.
ShoWTimE: As I said earlier there’s not much to pick from in World Protoss after Neeb. I chose him because he’s done better, he is in the top 8 of WCS currently and had a decent showing at WCS Summer. But in truth World Protoss candidates feel like a participation trophy. But I felt he was clearly the most viable of the candidates.
TIME absolutely is a top tier Terran, he is #5 in Circuit standings and it’s one of the few times China has a player worthy of our attention. This isn’t like last year when Cyan got in which felt like a joke. TIME is more than worthy to participate here, and that’s my take on him. It’s nice that he actually has a resume to warrant the invite.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
Well, China is essentially a separate region with their own server and events, it's fine that they have their own invite. As you say, TIME is easily a top8 foreigner at the moment.
On July 26 2019 07:25 StarcraftSquall wrote: Korea:
INnoVation - GSL hasn’t been kind to him this year, that is true. But he had a runner up finish at HomeStory Cup XVIII and won a premier tournament this year in WESG, beating Serral. I really do like TY but since BlizzCon what has he REALLY done?
Well, let's see, same in GSL as Inno (though TY has room for improving while Inno is done for the year). Only Terran in the playoffs at Katowice. Coincidentally also a runner-up finish at HSC. They both won offline tournaments in China that nobody actually cares about. And then Inno has won WESG while TY got a few minor wins in the off-season.
So basically they've both spent a long time not living up to their names but Inno won WESG. And the main reason to vote for TY is actually just to meme about a GSL caster defending the honor of GSL by himself. Just imagine being that guy who goes to GSL vs The World to represent the World and they send a caster to face you
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
I gues everyone hast to Vote for Reynor now, so he gets highest second after Scarlett. If this poll is run over by Scarlett fanboys and Reynor isn t going to GSLvsWorld, it d be a pretty sad day. I get what people saying about Harstem and uThermal deserving it. But Reynor is just so much better than anyone you can vote for in Worlds Team.
On July 26 2019 14:54 dbRic1203 wrote: I gues everyone hast to Vote for Reynor now, so he gets highest second after Scarlett. If this poll is run over by Scarlett fanboys and Reynor isn t going to GSLvsWorld, it d be a pretty sad day. I get what people saying about Harstem and uThermal deserving it. But Reynor is just so much better than anyone you can vote for in Worlds Team.
even if Scarlett does end up surpassing him in voting, Reynor still has a big lead over both harstem and uthermal and i doubt either of them pass him, so either he's making it as the vote leader or the wild card. I think it's safe to say that Reynor makes it to gsl vs the world
On July 26 2019 14:35 ma386654112 wrote: i am just saying here i will not watching this if scarlett failed attend
True SC2 commitment right there.
She needs a LOT of votes to surpass Reynor right now, so I guess he will be chosen as the zerg representative (as he should, he is clearly the second best foreigner zerg), and she will get the wild card (and probably get destroyed the moment she hits a protoss according to her last tournaments :/). But it's always great for the viewership to have her playing.
On July 26 2019 14:35 ma386654112 wrote: i am just saying here i will not watching this if scarlett failed attend
Scarlett will probably get the wild card vote which is about right. She definitely doesn’t deserve the top Zerg vote: that is clearly Reynor this year. But she should probably make it in.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 11:02 vult wrote:
On July 26 2019 06:54 MrFreeman wrote:
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
I'm quite sure that US police wouldn't care that someone shows a tiny Taiwanese flag next to player's name or displays the word Taiwan, especially, since there is, to my knowledge, no law forbidding it. As for the backlash, Chinese scene is big, but not nearly as big as the rest of the foreign scene, so I think they'd chose the lesser backlash. Either way, I doubt it will sufficient support and I'm afraid we are going way too off topic, just wanted to voice my disagreement .
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 11:02 vult wrote:
On July 26 2019 06:54 MrFreeman wrote:
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
I'm quite sure that US police wouldn't care that someone shows a tiny Taiwanese flag next to player's name or displays the word Taiwan, especially, since there is, to my knowledge, no law forbidding it. As for the backlash, Chinese scene is big, but not nearly as big as the rest of the foreign scene, so I think they'd chose the lesser backlash. Either way, I doubt it will sufficient support and I'm afraid we are going way too off topic, just wanted to voice my disagreement .
What the hell does the US police have to do with it?
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 11:02 vult wrote:
On July 26 2019 06:54 MrFreeman wrote:
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
As per usual money is the biggest factor here. Ultimately it's a Blizzard tournament and it's not in Blizzards interest to go against anything that jeopardizes revenue from such a large market.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 11:02 vult wrote:
On July 26 2019 06:54 MrFreeman wrote:
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
I'm quite sure that US police wouldn't care that someone shows a tiny Taiwanese flag next to player's name or displays the word Taiwan, especially, since there is, to my knowledge, no law forbidding it. As for the backlash, Chinese scene is big, but not nearly as big as the rest of the foreign scene, so I think they'd chose the lesser backlash. Either way, I doubt it will sufficient support and I'm afraid we are going way too off topic, just wanted to voice my disagreement .
Well it may sound surprising to you but US police doesn't have authority over the entire world
On a serious note that's not gonna happen because this is a Blizzard tournament and if Blizzard wants to keep doing business in China they're gonna respect the Chinese law which doesn't recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state, and yes the Chinese scene is not bigger than the rest of the foreign scene but I wonder what makes you think those 175 countries who don't recognise Taiwan would join this protest.
I come from weibo for Scarlett, but it looks like her votes cannot pass reynor. anyway i think serral is the only one can takedown top kr players ,reynor needs more time.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
it's strange. You want absolute fair? so please realise all Korea players to wcs ! IT is already be splitted into kr and circuit, why China cannot get a position in this fans-oriented match?
btw its not Taiwan flag it's the flag of People's China. And pls don't start this kind of discussion here,can't we just have Fun?
On July 27 2019 02:41 Sarahdaktyl wrote: Hello. I have a question. We vote once per race, correct?
Also, only once or can we vote each day?
Since four players advance, maybe allow us to vote four times?
I would want heromarine, reynor, showtime, and scarlett to represent team world. Not sure to vote for reynor or scarlett though...
Once per race and only one time. Not each day. Since there's a wild card spot and you want both Reynor and Scarlett to make it, you should probably vote for the one with less votes right now since the other one will win the Zerg poll anyway.
I am glad the state of balance is good when the tournament is on, I hope a patch won't de-rail balance.
Serral, Reynor, Showtime, Neeb, Heromarine, Special, Time. Seems fine. I think Elazer would have the best hope of winning games after that but scarlet will probably do better in the vote.
Maru, (TY / Inno/ Maybe Cure at the moment), Dark, soO, Classic, Trap (Zest / Stats / herO).
Zest seems good right now, unfortunate he is not an option. I don't think Parting deserves such a big vote.
Fantasy prob has big vote from BW fans but in fairness to Fantasy he seems to be trying to work out a more efficient approach to Terran which I feel is much healthier for the game than to keep doing the same thing and ask for patches to solve problems which is too common. Cure is also having great results but only gets 3% of the vote? In the last ~month he won 4-0 vs all of: Classic, Zest & herO. 4-2 Inno, 3-1 Keen, 3-4 soO.
I want to see HeroMarine smashed by a Protoss so hard that it removes his delusion and fixes his unhealthy mentality as I think he represents EU/world terran badly in regards his personality/what he says. This is extra unfortunate because he has an audience, reminds me of avilo a bit to be honest, a shame.
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 11:02 vult wrote:
On July 26 2019 06:54 MrFreeman wrote:
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
I'm quite sure that US police wouldn't care that someone shows a tiny Taiwanese flag next to player's name or displays the word Taiwan, especially, since there is, to my knowledge, no law forbidding it. As for the backlash, Chinese scene is big, but not nearly as big as the rest of the foreign scene, so I think they'd chose the lesser backlash. Either way, I doubt it will sufficient support and I'm afraid we are going way too off topic, just wanted to voice my disagreement .
Well it may sound surprising to you but US police doesn't have authority over the entire world
On a serious note that's not gonna happen because this is a Blizzard tournament and if Blizzard wants to keep doing business in China they're gonna respect the Chinese law which doesn't recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state, and yes the Chinese scene is not bigger than the rest of the foreign scene but I wonder what makes you think those 175 countries who don't recognise Taiwan would join this protest.
I don't know which police he's meant, Blizzard is an US company, so I've assumed it was US police. I'm neither US citizen nor resident and never suggested US police has international jurisdiction.
On July 26 2019 21:05 emperorofwild wrote: I come from weibo for Scarlett, but it looks like her votes cannot pass reynor. anyway i think serral is the only one can takedown top kr players ,reynor needs more time.
Don't worry, your vote still helps and Scarlett will also qualify. The person with the most votes from each race gets through, and then the next highest voted player overall also qualifies. Scarlett likely won't pass Reynor, but she's in a good position to get the fourth spot.
I think the main issue is that it has to be 1 of each race. You wouldn't have to worry about hiding vote counts and "strategic voting" if it were done this way. Just top 4 get spots regardless of race. Plus we wouldn't have to deal with all these foreign terran players
Best foreign Terran is special. Second best foreign Terran is Scarlet off-racing, but there are no write in categories so I had to vote for her as Zerg
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 11:02 vult wrote:
On July 26 2019 06:54 MrFreeman wrote:
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
I'm quite sure that US police wouldn't care that someone shows a tiny Taiwanese flag next to player's name or displays the word Taiwan, especially, since there is, to my knowledge, no law forbidding it. As for the backlash, Chinese scene is big, but not nearly as big as the rest of the foreign scene, so I think they'd chose the lesser backlash. Either way, I doubt it will sufficient support and I'm afraid we are going way too off topic, just wanted to voice my disagreement .
Well it may sound surprising to you but US police doesn't have authority over the entire world
On a serious note that's not gonna happen because this is a Blizzard tournament and if Blizzard wants to keep doing business in China they're gonna respect the Chinese law which doesn't recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state, and yes the Chinese scene is not bigger than the rest of the foreign scene but I wonder what makes you think those 175 countries who don't recognise Taiwan would join this protest.
I don't know which police he's meant, Blizzard is an US company, so I've assumed it was US police. I'm neither US citizen nor resident and never suggested US police has international jurisdiction.
Afreeca is a Korean company. The tournament is set in Korea. Korea is a country that does not recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state. I think it was the South Korean police that was intended.
Glad that Time is invited, I think he's undeniably top 3 non-korean Terran right now. Pity that the new WCS format means he hasn't been televised that much...
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite the #1 Chinese player every year. Probably, but I have no evidence that that's the factual reason, because they're scared China would flood the polls.
And they also hide Taiwanese flag every year and I dislike it every year.
Well what can you do, the company isn't from one of the 18 countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.
I get why they are doing it, but I think it is ok to point it out and disagree. In fact, I think if everybody was complaining, not that that is very realistic, they would change it.
On July 26 2019 11:02 vult wrote:
On July 26 2019 06:54 MrFreeman wrote:
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
I find it pretty upsetting, being Chinese is no qualification to represent the whole foreign scene. Where is the Polish, French, German, etc. representative then? Funnily enough, I would have voted for him since he is very strong, and is only surpassed, in the terran category, by special, who has a spot and heromarine, who has atrocious personality.
They invite a Chinese player because of the potential boon the tournament can get form a Chinese player being there, viewer wise. Guaranteeing a Chinese player probably has a statistical benefit greater than that of an additional spot to another EU foreigner would.
Plus, TIME deserves the spot. He’s in great shape right now, and is a great representative for the Chinese scene.
Also, Big Gabe has a fine personality. He speaks his mind and says it like he sees it. We need more of that, or else every player is just Alphastar incarnate.
Yes, TIME is really good, this year, China would have probably gotten their representative in a legit way, but because the rules aren't same for everyone, we won't find out. I guess we will not agree on heromarine's personality, I don't like players who don't respect their opponents, but I see how it could increase the excitement. I'd rather get the excitement from not knowing who will get in...
No, the GSL wouldn't change it. They'd get into trouble with the police. And the government isn't going to recognize Taiwan, because China is far too important to anger.
I'm quite sure that US police wouldn't care that someone shows a tiny Taiwanese flag next to player's name or displays the word Taiwan, especially, since there is, to my knowledge, no law forbidding it. As for the backlash, Chinese scene is big, but not nearly as big as the rest of the foreign scene, so I think they'd chose the lesser backlash. Either way, I doubt it will sufficient support and I'm afraid we are going way too off topic, just wanted to voice my disagreement .
Well it may sound surprising to you but US police doesn't have authority over the entire world
On a serious note that's not gonna happen because this is a Blizzard tournament and if Blizzard wants to keep doing business in China they're gonna respect the Chinese law which doesn't recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state, and yes the Chinese scene is not bigger than the rest of the foreign scene but I wonder what makes you think those 175 countries who don't recognise Taiwan would join this protest.
I don't know which police he's meant, Blizzard is an US company, so I've assumed it was US police. I'm neither US citizen nor resident and never suggested US police has international jurisdiction.
Afreeca is a Korean company. The tournament is set in Korea. Korea is a country that does not recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state. I think it was the South Korean police that was intended.
Oh, I see, I was talking about Blizzard events in general, I don't know nearly enough about South Korea to comment on that.
They always have invited the top player from China, it’s just nice that China actually has a player that’s got a legitimate right to be in that spot. Last year it was Cyan. What a joke.
On July 28 2019 09:45 oolong wrote: Odd that Scarlett isnt just qualified by default
They invite the top three players in WCS points by race in the Circuit plus the top player in points from China. Scarlett is 9th - not anywhere near a automatic seed. She completely missed WCS Spring and that may even cost her a BlizzCon trip. As of right now it has.
On July 25 2019 04:24 vult wrote: Voted the obvious Heromarine, Showtime and Reynor. All clear cut picks there.
That vote total for Heromarine, though. Not to say that he doesn't deserve it, because he's clearly the top pick for that crop of players, but damn his fans showed up!
I'd argue that Kelazhur/uThermal can play on the same level as HeroMarine.
They can, but they certainly don't do it as consistently as him.
Kelazuhur is not nearly at the level of these 2 right now.
uthermal has higher peaks, heromarine is more consistant. i'll always prefer higher peaks though, as that's whats needed to acutally beat koreans
On July 29 2019 15:51 Kav_ wrote: where is Has? he is my favorate non-korean player
They only included the top 6 players by WCS points per race in the polls, so Has didn't make it.
Actually its the top 7 players minus the best for zerg/toss and the top 8 players minus the best and minus the second best (TIME as chinese representative) for terran (all ranked by WCS ranking after WCS Summer, but before any WCS Fall Challenger stuff).
On July 30 2019 00:57 Wicked1 wrote: So Special is invited terran from the world, which means he’s not a GSL terran? Does that mean he should be disqualified from the GSL?
On July 30 2019 00:57 Wicked1 wrote: So Special is invited terran from the world, which means he’s not a GSL terran? Does that mean he should be disqualified from the GSL?
If he would count as GSL Terran, I d happily vote for him. He is defnatly better than Fantasy.
After Showtime vs Reynor yesterday in Bonjwa cup, I was pretty amazed. Checked Showtimes Aligulac just now, wow the guy is on fire since his injury at HSC. http://aligulac.com/players/2170-ShoWTimE/results/
On July 31 2019 00:46 Dedraterllaerau wrote: this should be decided by best results of 2019, 2 big a risk with this vote cheating possibility
from what it looks like atm its would almost be the same for team world with just picking top 8 in wcs rankings (only scarlett would be changed for elazer)^^
On July 31 2019 22:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Hmmmm nothing fishy here
Just a whole bunch of Polish comments that all need to be moderated at some point but other than everything seems normal
Indeed. Its very normal for someone who was in 3rd or 4th to rocket into first getting a vote per second on average
Standard play. The Elazer fans have been anxiously holding out until now so the competition could no longer counter push this mass of votes. Now his victory is inevitable.
On July 31 2019 00:46 Dedraterllaerau wrote: this should be decided by best results of 2019, 2 big a risk with this vote cheating possibility
from what it looks like atm its would almost be the same for team world with just picking top 8 in wcs rankings (only scarlett would be changed for elazer)^^
I want to see frantic Canadian and Italian voting now and then when the dust has settled see the Brazilians come out in full force and retake the crown that is rightfully theirs.
ive tracked every minute for 14 min, till 3 minutes ago. For elazer Its was roughly 38 votes per min quite regularly, the last entry was 36 first was 38, scarlett was rising at 1.43 votes per min, with plenty of 0, 1 and 2 and one 3
On July 31 2019 22:54 Uberfather wrote: ive tracket every minute for 14 min, till 3 minute sago Its was roughly 38 votes per min quite regularly, the last entry was 36 first was 38
I noticed that it was very regular too, why my first thought was botting. If R1CH cleared it though, I guess it's legit
On July 31 2019 22:54 Uberfather wrote: ive tracket every minute for 14 min, till 3 minute sago Its was roughly 38 votes per min quite regularly, the last entry was 36 first was 38
I noticed that it was very regular too, why my first thought was botting. If R1CH cleared it though, I guess it's legit
Poles wrecking polls, ironic.
Is this when R1CH cleared it: "Had to find it to make sure all the traffic that briefly crashed our registration page was legit"?
If so this seems like another trafic since it isnt brief but ongoing
On July 31 2019 22:54 Uberfather wrote: ive tracket every minute for 14 min, till 3 minute sago Its was roughly 38 votes per min quite regularly, the last entry was 36 first was 38
I noticed that it was very regular too, why my first thought was botting. If R1CH cleared it though, I guess it's legit
Poles wrecking polls, ironic.
Is this when R1CH cleared it: "Had to find it to make sure all the traffic that briefly crashed our registration page was legit"?
If so this seems like another trafic since it isnt brief but ongoing
On July 31 2019 22:54 Uberfather wrote: ive tracket every minute for 14 min, till 3 minute sago Its was roughly 38 votes per min quite regularly, the last entry was 36 first was 38
I noticed that it was very regular too, why my first thought was botting. If R1CH cleared it though, I guess it's legit
Poles wrecking polls, ironic.
Is this when R1CH cleared it: "Had to find it to make sure all the traffic that briefly crashed our registration page was legit"?
If so this seems like another trafic since it isnt brief but ongoing
And no one should be surprised, the guy supporting Elazer has 1.7million subscribers on youtube and posted a youtube video. Wouldn't be surprised if it's over 10k next hour.
On July 31 2019 23:06 Harris1st wrote: Just when I thought the World voting was boring compared to the Korean drama
It is still boring. KR is a tight race between fans who actually care about Starcraft. This is just a bunch of normies fucking things up.
Not quite. I can't prove it but imo Trap got like 1k votes from a LoL guy making a tweet (he was far behind Stats before that happened) and I bet Fantasy got a similar amount from SCBW fans (well, these are SC fans I guess).
On July 31 2019 23:06 Harris1st wrote: Just when I thought the World voting was boring compared to the Korean drama
It is still boring. KR is a tight race between fans who actually care about Starcraft. This is just a bunch of normies fucking things up.
Not quite. I can't prove it but imo Trap got like 1k votes from a LoL guy making a tweet (he was far behind Stats before that happened) and I bet Fantasy got a similar amount from SCBW fans (well, these are SC fans I guess).
Well at least Gorilla comes from an esport background, it's not a random youtuber but a LoL pro gamer; that makes it better imo. Especially since Trap got screwed pretty badly by Blizzard, and is top 3 in WCS KR rankings, runner up of the last GSL...
Elazer / Scarlett are top 8 and top 9 so I guess popularity isn't bad if she wins this one, compared to Trap 3rd place vs Fantasy 23rd place... (although there are only 4 terrans in top 20 to 10 protoss so the ranking of fantasy isn't actually that bad but he is still far worse than Trap currently)
On July 31 2019 23:12 Durnuu wrote: Do you guys think the mods are getting tired of getting my reports of posts in polish?
You are evil.
He's just a law-abiding citizen trying to get TL mods to do their work and sanction 2 pages worth of people breaking forum rules.
If they had given me mod powers like I asked for years ago this would have all been taken care of. But instead they kept throwing things like "post history" at me like half those fuckers weren't former/current shitposters too
On July 31 2019 23:12 Durnuu wrote: Do you guys think the mods are getting tired of getting my reports of posts in polish?
You are evil.
He's just a law-abiding citizen trying to get TL mods to do their work and sanction 2 pages worth of people breaking forum rules.
If they had given me mod powers like I asked for years ago this would have all been taken care of. But instead they kept throwing things like "post history" at me like half those fuckers weren't former/current shitposters too
Imagine getting lectured about post history by Shellshock and Templar
Had to find it to make sure all the traffic that briefly crashed our registration page was legit .
Seeing how easy it is to register with FB, it would probably solve the issue, if it would take longer to set up the account. It s quite normal to send an registration link or whatever to your email to verify you re account. It just takes 2-5 minutes but would probably be already enough, so that people, that don t care at all wouldn t vote that often.
The question is, why are the votes even conducted on TL in the first place? If Blizzard hosts the voting on BNET with a prerequisite of something like 10 first wins of the day, 99% of these vote issues can be solved. It would also encourage more people voting instead of having to register for a third-party website.
On July 31 2019 23:34 blizzardxu3 wrote: The question is, why are the votes even conducted on TL in the first place? If Blizzard hosts the voting on BNET with a prerequisite of something like 10 first wins of the day, 99% of these vote issues can be solved. It would also encourage more people voting instead of having to register for a third-party website.
They tried the voting on battle.net forums (only the us one though) 2 years ago, lets just say the participation wasn’t that good
That's ridiculous most of the people that voted for Elazer don't follow Starcraft ...they don't even probably know who is Elazer and they will not watch the event.
Do we want to transform this into a race where who gets more influencers wins? What's next? Shall we just go for a botnet?
On July 31 2019 23:38 Stefano2 wrote: That's ridiculous most of the people that voted for Elazer don't follow Starcraft ...they don't even probably know who is Elazer and they will not watch the event.
Do we want to transform this into a race where who gets more influencers wins? What's next? Shall we just go for a botnet?
They do know who he is and how he looks, he's in the video of the guy making advertisement for him.
On July 31 2019 23:38 Stefano2 wrote: That's ridiculous most of the people that voted for Elazer don't follow Starcraft ...they don't even probably know who is Elazer and they will not watch the event.
Do we want to transform this into a race where who gets more influencers wins? What's next? Shall we just go for a botnet?
it was the same last year with kela overtaking heromarine and uthermal, who had a head to head (with gabe always having a lead of a few votes) until the braz. cs:go community voted for kela
Not fair. Most of the people who voted Elazer have no idea what Starcraft is. They are just fans of that Youtube comedian. They are not Starcraft fans so their votes should not be counted.
On July 31 2019 23:40 Musicus wrote: Is it true that you will be able log in with weibo accounts to vote soon? If so expect Scarlett to shoot ahead once newbee gets involved.
I hope not, else Reynor is not coming to the event.
On July 31 2019 23:40 Musicus wrote: Is it true that you will be able log in with weibo accounts to vote soon? If so expect Scarlett to shoot ahead once newbee gets involved.
doubt that will happen today/tomorrow though ... and since the vote ends tomorrow at 9 pm cest ...
On July 31 2019 23:40 Musicus wrote: Is it true that you will be able log in with weibo accounts to vote soon? If so expect Scarlett to shoot ahead once newbee gets involved.
I hope not, else Reynor is not coming to the event.
On July 31 2019 23:40 Musicus wrote: Is it true that you will be able log in with weibo accounts to vote soon? If so expect Scarlett to shoot ahead once newbee gets involved.
Even so it wouldn't be that bad due to the language barrier. I fear it takes more than the average English level of Chinese netizens to actually find where to vote.
Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes than anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
On July 31 2019 23:48 BisuDagger wrote: Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes then anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
So far it's actually helping us to send the best players in the world, at least if Reynor makes it. Before, Scarlett was ahead of Elazer, and Elazer is ranked better than Scarlett atm.
On July 31 2019 23:48 BisuDagger wrote: Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes then anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
Scarlett has been ~700 votes behind Reynor since day 1, unless something drastic happens that isn't looking to change.
I agree with you though, using TL may increase participation but is it good participation?
On July 31 2019 23:48 BisuDagger wrote: Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes then anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
So far it's actually helping us to send the best players in the world, at least if Reynor makes it. Before, Scarlett was ahead of Elazer, and Elazer is ranked better than Scarlett atm.
Elazer is one spot better and Scarlett didn't show up to one event. She's higher ranked per tournament attended :p
On July 31 2019 23:48 BisuDagger wrote: Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes then anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
Scarlett has been ~700 votes behind Reynor since day 1, unless something drastic happens that isn't looking to change.
I agree with you though, using TL may increase participation but is it good participation?
Well she was qualified with a large margin so people wouldn't go crazy on her, but now that her spot is at risk there might be another flood of voters coming to save Scarlett, eliminating Reynor in the process.
On July 31 2019 23:48 BisuDagger wrote: Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes then anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
it also happened last year with kelazhur ... maybe something like one can only vote if the tl.net acc was created at least 1 day before the vote or something could help (but that way we would also exclude some of the sc2 community) btw. with how the vote looks now we should actually get the top 8 in wcs circuit standings^^ (elazer being rank 8, scarlett would have been rank 9)
On July 31 2019 23:48 BisuDagger wrote: Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes then anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
Scarlett has been ~700 votes behind Reynor since day 1, unless something drastic happens that isn't looking to change.
I agree with you though, using TL may increase participation but is it good participation?
On July 31 2019 23:48 BisuDagger wrote: Pretty upsetting to see that Reynor may not get the invite. In my view we should be sending the world's best. Elazer having 5k more votes then anyone else is pretty ridiculous too. Not only does this spike in votes possibly eliminate Reynor's invite, it drastically affects the second tier vote spots for all others in a tight race too. Ultimately, my disappointment is because the voter spam has essentially ruined the spirit of a community vote. Why even have a community vote if 5k randoms are just going to hand it to someone? I'm all for Blizzard just hand picking the players next year.
So far it's actually helping us to send the best players in the world, at least if Reynor makes it. Before, Scarlett was ahead of Elazer, and Elazer is ranked better than Scarlett atm.
Elazer is one spot better and Scarlett didn't show up to one event. She's higher ranked per tournament attended :p
Like it's been said before, hiding voting results would probably have helped a bit. But even with that I doubt the Elazer thing wouldn't have happened since Elazer knows Scarlett is more popular.
Those Elazer votes are super fake... He has more votes alone than HeroMarine and ShowTime together. That's just not possible... Reynor was winning the whole week and then suddenly he pass from 56% to 20%... I don't hate Elazer actually I think he is a great guy but please... Those votes are mostly fake accounts...
On August 01 2019 00:04 kwasdf wrote: Those Elazer votes are super fake... He has more votes alone than HeroMarine and ShowTime together. That's just not possible... Reynor was winning the whole week and then suddenly he pass from 56% to 20%... I don't hate Elazer actually I think he is a great guy but please... Those votes are mostly fake accounts...
These are not fake - sadly. Very popular polish youtuber (almost 2 mln subscribers) make a request on his channel to vote for Elazer. Polish people are very keen to respond for such calls. So I suspect that massive subscribers of the guy just created an account and voted for Elazer. I'm polish too... so I know what I'm talking about - however I didn't vote for Elazer but Scarlet - to support only girl/women in StarCraft progamers world .
I can see that is not fair against other guys not supported by any popular youtubers, influencers... etc.
On July 31 2019 23:53 Dawid103 wrote: Bisu, isn't that better to give other people oportunity to face the best of the best?
This is my view, but it is okay if you or any one else shares a different one:
Those players not voted can create the opportunity to play the best of the best on their own. They do this by improving enough to advance far in tournaments like IEM and Dreamhack thus meeting the best of the best. My view is that we look at those results and vote reward those players that did advance far in tournaments. Has is a great example of this. He may not have been the ultimate best protoss the time of the vote, but at least he produced a reward able result in recent tournaments. Who more then Reynor in the votes deserves to be sent more based on his outstanding results and efforts in just the second year of his WCS career.
What is not okay with me, is the way in which the votes we gained by Elazer this year. However, even though I'm bitter about it now, I've said my piece and will move on to celebrating the players and enjoying the games once the polls are closed.
I dont get it If Elazer has such a dedicated (polish) fanbase, then why did they wait till the last day, why not vote earlier? NVM, read a few pages back, i guess the youtube guy did it
On August 01 2019 00:46 GMgen0cide wrote: did someone hack the vote? lol Elazer got over 9k votes, thats like basically all the top 3 korean votes combined
we gotta another kelhazur situation going on, some polish youtuber told his fans to vote for elazer
Just to clarify the whole situation and my point of view on it. Pretty famous polish Youtuber with 1.7mil subscribers made a video to vote for me in GSL vs the World. He is my friend and also is on the same team as me AGO.
If you know me better than just from watching a few post-game interviews during WCS, you would know I am the last person to ask for help in this type of competition. I also believe that Reynor deserves the spot more than I do. Because of how the rules work for this vote, I assumed that 2 people from zerg vote will advance - which I wanted to be me and Reynor, as Reynor is rank 2 in WCS, I am rank 8 and Scarlett is rank 9.
Last 2 years I didn't get into GSL vs The World because I lost to Scarlett in popularity vote, even though I was higher in WCS standings both times. Not sure if you guys remember, but I didn't get into GSL vs World even after winning WCS Valencia and being rank 2wcs (literally the same position as Reynor is right now).
Long story short - Even though we are good friends, I believe I deserve to play in GSL vs the World at least once instead of Scarlett, not only because of this year, but considering all my results from past 3 years. I will feel terrible if Reynor doesn't get in, and probably consider giving up my spot, but I do think that the blame shouldn't be 100% on me here.
On August 01 2019 00:40 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont get it If Elazer has such a dedicated (polish) fanbase, then why did they wait till the last day, why not vote earlier? NVM, read a few pages back, i guess the youtube guy did it
maybe its a strategy that makes opps have no time to counter. Amazing!
Just to clarify the whole situation and my point of view on it. Pretty famous polish Youtuber with 1.7mil subscribers made a video to vote for me in GSL vs the World. He is my friend and also is on the same team as me AGO.
If you know me better than just from watching a few post-game interviews during WCS, you would know I am the last person to ask for help in this type of competition. I also believe that Reynor deserves the spot more than I do. Because of how the rules work for this vote, I assumed that 2 people from zerg vote will advance - which I wanted to be me and Reynor, as Reynor is rank 2 in WCS, I am rank 8 and Scarlett is rank 9.
Last 2 years I didn't get into GSL vs The World because I lost to Scarlett in popularity vote, even though I was higher in WCS standings both times. Not sure if you guys remember, but I didn't get into GSL vs World even after winning WCS Valencia and being rank 2wcs (literally the same position as Reynor is right now).
Long story short - Even though we are good friends, I believe I deserve to play in GSL vs the World at least once instead of Scarlett, not only because of this year, but considering all my results from past 3 years. I will feel terrible if Reynor doesn't get in, and probably consider giving up my spot, but I do think that the blame shouldn't be 100% on me here.
that makes a lot of sense, actually. At first sight it really looked like bot-voting, and Elazer is such a sttraightfoward decent guy, I couldnt understand what's going on. I agree, he deserves the 8th, but it would be really awkward if Reynor somehow gets outvoted
Just to clarify the whole situation and my point of view on it. Pretty famous polish Youtuber with 1.7mil subscribers made a video to vote for me in GSL vs the World. He is my friend and also is on the same team as me AGO.
If you know me better than just from watching a few post-game interviews during WCS, you would know I am the last person to ask for help in this type of competition. I also believe that Reynor deserves the spot more than I do. Because of how the rules work for this vote, I assumed that 2 people from zerg vote will advance - which I wanted to be me and Reynor, as Reynor is rank 2 in WCS, I am rank 8 and Scarlett is rank 9.
Last 2 years I didn't get into GSL vs The World because I lost to Scarlett in popularity vote, even though I was higher in WCS standings both times. Not sure if you guys remember, but I didn't get into GSL vs World even after winning WCS Valencia and being rank 2wcs (literally the same position as Reynor is right now).
Long story short - Even though we are good friends, I believe I deserve to play in GSL vs the World at least once instead of Scarlett, not only because of this year, but considering all my results from past 3 years. I will feel terrible if Reynor doesn't get in, and probably consider giving up my spot, but I do think that the blame shouldn't be 100% on me here.
I hope there's a better way to petition for votes in the future so players don't get caught up in this. The TLCMAT format works differently in that the rules state no petitioning for votes outside of Teamliquid. Maybe next year we can have the TL staff perform video or written interviews/profiles with all the players with the additional option that the players submit their own content to TL if they'd like. That way we make it easier for players to promote themselves. I totally understand the argument he states against Scarlett and maybe some of the fault is that we didn't give him enough of an opportunity to promote himself before the polls opened.
I loved the close race in Korea with players like Fantasy and Trap streaming a ton and advertising with all kinds of stuff. Fans making reddit posts and discussing the race on TL, that was fun and whoever won, it would be okay.
But the World vote definitely has a bitter taste now and if someone like Reynor or Heromarine gets screwed, it will really suck.
On August 01 2019 01:04 Musicus wrote: I loved the close race in Korea with players like Fantasy and Trap streaming a ton and advertising with all kinds of stuff. Fans making reddit posts and discussing the race on TL, that was fun and whoever won, it would be okay.
But the World vote definitely has a bitter taste now and if someone like Reynor or Heromarine gets screwed, it will really suck.
At least if Scarlett doesn't get the spot, you know Elazer is gonna deliver a similar / better performance. (if Reynor loses though I doubt any of Elazer/Scarlett will deliver as good performance as he would have...) However I don't see Kelazhur perform as well as HeroMarine at all, so I really hope nothing crazy happens in the terran pool too. Iirc the last time Kelazhur was getting good results were during the reaper/ByuN era.
On August 01 2019 01:04 Musicus wrote: I loved the close race in Korea with players like Fantasy and Trap streaming a ton and advertising with all kinds of stuff. Fans making reddit posts and discussing the race on TL, that was fun and whoever won, it would be okay.
But the World vote definitely has a bitter taste now and if someone like Reynor or Heromarine gets screwed, it will really suck.
Totally agree with this. The "in-scene" Korean campaigning feels very natural and the way it should be with such a vote going on - in fact, as someone who always has disliked popular votes for tournaments the Korean engagement really jumped out very positively to me.
But this race right here with the external interference just shows everything that's wrong with the system.
On August 01 2019 01:04 Musicus wrote: I loved the close race in Korea with players like Fantasy and Trap streaming a ton and advertising with all kinds of stuff. Fans making reddit posts and discussing the race on TL, that was fun and whoever won, it would be okay.
But the World vote definitely has a bitter taste now and if someone like Reynor or Heromarine gets screwed, it will really suck.
Totally agree with this. The "in-scene" Korean campaigning feels very natural and the way it should be with such a vote going on - in fact, as someone who always has disliked popular votes for tournaments the Korean engagement really jumped out very positively to me.
But this race right here with the external interference just shows everything that's wrong with the system.
the sytem is wrong, some people are saying well its always been a popularity contest, which is true but its been a popularity contest within the community, but when players start having outside sources getting votes for them, its not even a "fan" vote anymore
Regarding my previous post, I still believe there should be more restrictions on voting. Maybe 10 active games may not be the best idea, but I'm sure there are other ways to filter the voters: SC quizzes, Twitch/ TL/ Blizz account age, and others you name it. All in all, my idea is: less votes are better than trash votes.
For Elazer, well, he might have won his ticket this time, but I'm sure he has also lost something else on the way.
Just to clarify the whole situation and my point of view on it. Pretty famous polish Youtuber with 1.7mil subscribers made a video to vote for me in GSL vs the World. He is my friend and also is on the same team as me AGO.
If you know me better than just from watching a few post-game interviews during WCS, you would know I am the last person to ask for help in this type of competition. I also believe that Reynor deserves the spot more than I do. Because of how the rules work for this vote, I assumed that 2 people from zerg vote will advance - which I wanted to be me and Reynor, as Reynor is rank 2 in WCS, I am rank 8 and Scarlett is rank 9.
Last 2 years I didn't get into GSL vs The World because I lost to Scarlett in popularity vote, even though I was higher in WCS standings both times. Not sure if you guys remember, but I didn't get into GSL vs World even after winning WCS Valencia and being rank 2wcs (literally the same position as Reynor is right now).
Long story short - Even though we are good friends, I believe I deserve to play in GSL vs the World at least once instead of Scarlett, not only because of this year, but considering all my results from past 3 years. I will feel terrible if Reynor doesn't get in, and probably consider giving up my spot, but I do think that the blame shouldn't be 100% on me here.
I kind of agree with Elazer in a sense here.
It’s been an issue with SC2 since forever, not just votes but also invites have always skewed to existing favourites, giving them more exposure, more invites and thus the cycle continues. Even talk shows followed this pattern but to the scene’s credit I feel they do a much better job giving lesser known folks a shot.
Elazer winning based on who he knows is unfair, to me Elazer will perpetually lose a fair vote to Scarlett, who has benefitted as much as anyone in SC2 history by virtue of being a fan favourite.
Despite not being quite GSL level the WCS Circuit is a real enthralling tournament to watch because it’s completely meritocratic, you don’t need a team to fly you somewhere on a slim chance of even breaking even, you don’t have to rely on invites. And we’re seeing new and exciting talents breaking through there.
I felt this being so vote dependent was a step in the wrong direction of having a clear pathway for aspiring players. Get better on the ladder, try to qualify for WCS, try to do well enough in WCS and you get a shot at taking down Korea’s best or going to Blizzcon.
On July 31 2019 22:54 Uberfather wrote: ive tracket every minute for 14 min, till 3 minute sago Its was roughly 38 votes per min quite regularly, the last entry was 36 first was 38
I noticed that it was very regular too, why my first thought was botting. If R1CH cleared it though, I guess it's legit
Poles wrecking polls, ironic.
Is this when R1CH cleared it: "Had to find it to make sure all the traffic that briefly crashed our registration page was legit"?
If so this seems like another trafic since it isnt brief but ongoing
And no one should be surprised, the guy supporting Elazer has 1.7million subscribers on youtube and posted a youtube video. Wouldn't be surprised if it's over 10k next hour.
don't care if I sound salty, but if one of Scarlett or Reynor don't make it to gsl vs the world its bullshit, Reynor was the leading zerg and Scarlett was 4th in voting for the entire week the voting has been up and now Elazer who had no votes now gets in because of outside help.
On August 01 2019 01:29 Wintex wrote: im certain everyone is allowed to have friends, so don't apologize, elazer.
This can't be stated enough, while the system sucks and Blizzard should've changed it, the players should do everything they can and can't be blamed at all.
Even if Reynor drops out, you should not give up your spot Elazer!
Don't be so jealous boys! Elazer is in a the most influent polish team. So he gets beneftis for that. I think he is in better performance than Scarlett tho. GL Elazer!
On August 01 2019 01:33 Rayl99 wrote: other than HeroMarine, did any of these foreigners bothered to campaign??
Compared to the Koreans, their efforts have been kinda laughable. The foreign team house in Korea did a 24h stream but that frankly did more work in campaigning for TY than it did for any of them.
On August 01 2019 01:33 Rayl99 wrote: other than HeroMarine, did any of these foreigners bothered to campaign??
Scarlett sort of did when the foreign team house did their 24-hour stream, but other than that I think big Gabe is the only one foreign player actually campaigning like the Koreans are doing
On August 01 2019 01:46 IncarnatioN_ wrote: if HeroMarine doesn't make it, this is gonna be real sad that bunch of guys who aren't even playing SC2 ruined it
what's this about Heromarine not making it, he's leading the Terran race by about 250%
On August 01 2019 01:46 IncarnatioN_ wrote: if HeroMarine doesn't make it, this is gonna be real sad that bunch of guys who aren't even playing SC2 ruined it
what's this about Heromarine not making it, he's leading the Terran race by about 250%
Special tweeted 2 south american csgo players asking for votes for kelahazur, so theres a chance those 2 players do the same thing for kelhazur that that one polish youtuber did for elazer
On August 01 2019 01:46 IncarnatioN_ wrote: if HeroMarine doesn't make it, this is gonna be real sad that bunch of guys who aren't even playing SC2 ruined it
what's this about Heromarine not making it, he's leading the Terran race by about 250%
Fallen is the CS:GO guy who riled up the Brazilian community last year to vote Kelazhur in. A precedent that should have been used to prevent something like what happened with Elazer today.
On August 01 2019 01:48 kell234 wrote: I don’t think that Elazer acted honestly, but I’m glad that Scarlett won’t get to the event
you dont want the better player to go??
I think a lot of people would disagree with you that Scarlett is better than Elazer. And I'm a huge Scarlett fan
imo i feel Scarlett is having a better 2019 than Elazer
I feel like both are gonna do the same in the event: go out in the first round 1-3 and lose the match vs the korean...
Having said that we all know Scarlett is better than Elazer, and her first months were prettty good (much better than Elazer overall). Right now her shape is not even close to being a contender for lets say a top4 or something. Elazer is better than last year, but I don't think he is a top foreigner. So I would rate both at the same level, tier 3 foreigners (Serral>Reynor/Neeb/Special/Showtime>rest).
well all players have friends. All players use their ability to get most votes. Its not like Reynor or Scarlett Just get votes for being popular or playing well. If you establish rules like a popular vote you have to expect that a team might support their player. And it is fair and according to rules.
I will write an email to Justin Trudeau to ask him to make a speech of voting for Scarlett, just for downplaying Elazer, not because of I am a fan of Scarlett.
On August 01 2019 02:24 zhangyith wrote: I will write an email to Justin Trudeau to ask him to make a speech of voting for Scarlett, just for downplaying Elazer, not because of I am a fan of Scarlett.
Start tweeting at Trump to get Astrea through the vote.
On August 01 2019 02:20 Kafka777 wrote: well all players have friends. All players use their ability to get most votes. Its not like Reynor or Scarlett Just get votes for being popular or playing well. If you establish rules like a popular vote you have to expect that a team might support their player. And it is fair and according to rules.
It is according to the rules, but can be frustrating nonetheless. We're talking not about teams here, but about people deciding the vote who have no interest in the event, let alone SC2.
On August 01 2019 02:24 zhangyith wrote: I will write an email to Justin Trudeau to ask him to make a speech of voting for Scarlett, just for downplaying Elazer, not because of I am a fan of Scarlett.
Start tweeting at Trump to get Astrea through the vote.
if trump can get liangelo ball out of china, he can get Astrea through the vote
In my eyes Reynor, Heromarine and Showtime should all make it thru, as they are undeniable the best Players up to vote in their respected races. I dont realy care, who gets the last spot. Scarlett, Lambo, Elazer and uThermal would all be fine for me I gues.
On August 01 2019 02:31 dbRic1203 wrote: In my eyes Reynor, Heromarine and Showtime should all make it thru, as they are undeniable the best Players up to vote in their respected races. I dont realy care, who gets the last spot. Scarlett, Lambo, Elazer and uThermal would all be fine for me I gues.
the wildcard spot probably won't have an effect on how team world performs, but id want the wildcard spot to go to the player who actually got voted naturally
Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
To be fair if Scarlett skips a Challenger to go play GSL instead it's her decision and she has to take the consequences of not beeing seeded higher for this event. (and let's skip the whole Korean region lock discussion altogether).
This vote system is derailed so easy, I literally just have to open Twitch, donate 100€ to a famous streamer and ask him to link this thread in his channel and say "gogogo votebomb this guy in, it will be fun".
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
To be fair if Scarlett skips a Challenger to go play GSL instead it's her decision and she has to take the consequences of not beeing seeded higher for this event. (and let's skip the whole Korean region lock discussion altogether).
This vote system is derailed so easy, I literally just have to open Twitch, donate 100€ to a famous streamer and ask him to link this thread in his channel and say "gogogo votebomb this guy in, it will be fun".
The GSL situation was a mess. When she chose GSL, she mentioned that it might be her last GSL ever and that was likely a factor in her choice. No one knew at the time that the lock would be removed immediately after.
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
To be fair if Scarlett skips a Challenger to go play GSL instead it's her decision and she has to take the consequences of not beeing seeded higher for this event. (and let's skip the whole Korean region lock discussion altogether).
This vote system is derailed so easy, I literally just have to open Twitch, donate 100€ to a famous streamer and ask him to link this thread in his channel and say "gogogo votebomb this guy in, it will be fun".
The GSL situation was a mess. When she chose GSL, she mentioned that it might be her last GSL ever and that was likely a factor in her choice. No one knew at the time that the lock would be removed immediately after.
not true, the official wcs rule book stated the rule (even that it only was for season 1) and that was released before gsl started
also scarlett got a lot of her wcs circuit points from the region locked wcs winter where in the na edition there were like 3 good players, while the eu edition was pretty stacked ... and she also profits from the basically free wcs challenger points from season 2, i mean if she doesnt f-up extremly hard she should always get 140 points from that ... for the eu players thats quite different there they have a real competition for these points ...
not saying that the elazer vote thingy isn’t pretty sad and bad
I can not see ahainst who elazer will be the favorite against any of the other 15 players. Scarlett's play is not stable, but she has a much higher ceiling to match against other high profilers.
Since elazer enjoys to get beat 3-0 in gsl vs world, let us see how it goes.
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
To be fair if Scarlett skips a Challenger to go play GSL instead it's her decision and she has to take the consequences of not beeing seeded higher for this event. (and let's skip the whole Korean region lock discussion altogether).
No Scarlett skipped WCS Spring because she had an eye surgery .
To be honest, in a bigger picture this is quite good for Starcraft. Having more exposure of the game outside of the bubble of the community itself can bring more people to find an interest on it, even if you get 1~2 new players of all those votes only, it will be players that wouldn't be playing Starcraft otherwise.
Ideally all the players would have those kind of friendships and the competition would be on high standards. As much as Reynor joked, imagine if PewDiePie actually campaign for him? That would be great for the scene.
On the other hand, it surely will feel bitter for the players that have no such contacts.
On August 01 2019 02:52 Flerigan wrote: To be honest, in a bigger picture this is quite good for Starcraft. Having more exposure of the game outside of the bubble of the community itself can bring more people to find an interest on it, even if you get 1~2 new players of all those votes only, it will be players that wouldn't be playing Starcraft otherwise.
Ideally all the players would have those kind of friendships and the competition would be on high standards. As much as Reynor joked, imagine if PewDiePie actually campaign for him? That would be great for the scene.
On the other hand, it surely will feel bitter for the players that have no such contacts.
people said that last year too (when kela got voted by the br. cs community) but almost none (if even any) of them watched the tournament or any other sc2 related stuff
On August 01 2019 02:52 Flerigan wrote: To be honest, in a bigger picture this is quite good for Starcraft. Having more exposure of the game outside of the bubble of the community itself can bring more people to find an interest on it, even if you get 1~2 new players of all those votes only, it will be players that wouldn't be playing Starcraft otherwise.
Ideally all the players would have those kind of friendships and the competition would be on high standards. As much as Reynor joked, imagine if PewDiePie actually campaign for him? That would be great for the scene.
On the other hand, it surely will feel bitter for the players that have no such contacts.
you say this as if the people voting for Elazer actually watch/play starcraft but they dont, im sure maybe a couple of them do but the vast majority do not care for starcraft and will not watch the tournament they are voting Elazer into
On August 01 2019 02:52 Flerigan wrote: To be honest, in a bigger picture this is quite good for Starcraft. Having more exposure of the game outside of the bubble of the community itself can bring more people to find an interest on it, even if you get 1~2 new players of all those votes only, it will be players that wouldn't be playing Starcraft otherwise.
Ideally all the players would have those kind of friendships and the competition would be on high standards. As much as Reynor joked, imagine if PewDiePie actually campaign for him? That would be great for the scene.
On the other hand, it surely will feel bitter for the players that have no such contacts.
people said that last year too (when kela got voted by the br. cs community) but almost none (if even any) of them watched the tournament or any other sc2 related stuff
Most of them surely didn't, but we can't precise to say none. Maybe there's a way to see the playerbase increase from Brazil from that day?
Plus, I meant more the exposure of the game than the event itself, people going like "Starcraft? What's that? Let me check." kind of.
On August 01 2019 02:52 Flerigan wrote: To be honest, in a bigger picture this is quite good for Starcraft. Having more exposure of the game outside of the bubble of the community itself can bring more people to find an interest on it, even if you get 1~2 new players of all those votes only, it will be players that wouldn't be playing Starcraft otherwise.
Ideally all the players would have those kind of friendships and the competition would be on high standards. As much as Reynor joked, imagine if PewDiePie actually campaign for him? That would be great for the scene.
On the other hand, it surely will feel bitter for the players that have no such contacts.
you say this as if the people voting for Elazer actually watch/play starcraft but they dont, im sure maybe a couple of them do but the vast majority do not care for starcraft and will not watch the tournament they are voting Elazer into
Yeah mate, I don't disagree. But there's a chance out of these 10k votes let's say 10 woud get to try Starcraft and stick with it. That's a growth even if small, all in all it's just wishful thinking from me
lol popularity contests are ridiculous. But... perhaps some of these posters just realized that there is a SC2 pro scene and will have a look at it. Who knows!
LOL so funny blizzard believes "Chinese are so good at vote cheating", now let's see which group of people are better at vote cheating. Before blizzard could actually weigh votes based on IP address, this situation will only get worse.
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
To be fair if Scarlett skips a Challenger to go play GSL instead it's her decision and she has to take the consequences of not beeing seeded higher for this event. (and let's skip the whole Korean region lock discussion altogether).
This vote system is derailed so easy, I literally just have to open Twitch, donate 100€ to a famous streamer and ask him to link this thread in his channel and say "gogogo votebomb this guy in, it will be fun".
The GSL situation was a mess. When she chose GSL, she mentioned that it might be her last GSL ever and that was likely a factor in her choice. No one knew at the time that the lock would be removed immediately after.
not true, the official wcs rule book stated the rule (even that it only was for season 1) and that was released before gsl started
also scarlett got a lot of her wcs circuit points from the region locked wcs winter where in the na edition there were like 3 good players, while the eu edition was pretty stacked ... and she also profits from the basically free wcs challenger points from season 2, i mean if she doesnt f-up extremly hard she should always get 140 points from that ... for the eu players thats quite different there they have a real competition for these points ...
not saying that the elazer vote thingy isn’t pretty sad and bad
The rule book did not state it was only for one season. Every indication at the time was that this was the new rule going forward. She wanted to play GSL one more time before focusing on WCS, but as it turns out that sacrifice wasn't really necessary.
And I find EU region lock complaints to be incredibly hypocritical considering how much EU has benefitted from KR being locked out.
On August 01 2019 02:52 Flerigan wrote: To be honest, in a bigger picture this is quite good for Starcraft. Having more exposure of the game outside of the bubble of the community itself can bring more people to find an interest on it, even if you get 1~2 new players of all those votes only, it will be players that wouldn't be playing Starcraft otherwise.
Ideally all the players would have those kind of friendships and the competition would be on high standards. As much as Reynor joked, imagine if PewDiePie actually campaign for him? That would be great for the scene.
On the other hand, it surely will feel bitter for the players that have no such contacts.
people said that last year too (when kela got voted by the br. cs community) but almost none (if even any) of them watched the tournament or any other sc2 related stuff
Most of them surely didn't, but we can't precise to say none. Maybe there's a way to see the playerbase increase from Brazil from that day?
Plus, I meant more the exposure of the game than the event itself, people going like "Starcraft? What's that? Let me check." kind of.
Which would be far better accomplished with a big LoL or CS:GO player maybe doing a segment publicising the game, have their bro on talking about it, explain the game a bit maybe demo it for people and say ‘by the way I have this big tournament coming up please vote for me.
Or publicise the game in such a manner outside of any voting process altogether.
As it is it just feels personalities say ‘vote in this poll’ to their fanbase who duly oblige.
It’s just how any online vote tends to work nowadays, smaller communities can just get trounced by one big ‘influencer’, or a troll campaign can just completely derail something.
Modern social media has whatever catches hold grow exponentially bigger, way easier and faster than used to be the case, sometimes for good sometimes not.
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
To be fair if Scarlett skips a Challenger to go play GSL instead it's her decision and she has to take the consequences of not beeing seeded higher for this event. (and let's skip the whole Korean region lock discussion altogether).
This vote system is derailed so easy, I literally just have to open Twitch, donate 100€ to a famous streamer and ask him to link this thread in his channel and say "gogogo votebomb this guy in, it will be fun".
The GSL situation was a mess. When she chose GSL, she mentioned that it might be her last GSL ever and that was likely a factor in her choice. No one knew at the time that the lock would be removed immediately after.
not true, the official wcs rule book stated the rule (even that it only was for season 1) and that was released before gsl started
also scarlett got a lot of her wcs circuit points from the region locked wcs winter where in the na edition there were like 3 good players, while the eu edition was pretty stacked ... and she also profits from the basically free wcs challenger points from season 2, i mean if she doesnt f-up extremly hard she should always get 140 points from that ... for the eu players thats quite different there they have a real competition for these points ...
not saying that the elazer vote thingy isn’t pretty sad and bad
The rule book did not state it was only for one season. Every indication at the time was that this was the new rule going forward. She wanted to play GSL one more time before focusing on WCS, but as it turns out that sacrifice wasn't really necessary.
And I find EU region lock complaints to be incredibly hypocritical considering how much EU has benefitted from KR being locked out.
it was and is stated in the wcs rule book ... also im and always was against any region lock ...
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
to be fair, scarlett's got a ton of easy points by playing NA challengers and WCS winter NA, while elazer outperformed her at both WCS spring and WCS summer
The WCS rule book was not released until after GSL started. Do you not remember the whole mess of confusion that occurred with players making vague uncertain statements? It was only after the fact that Blizzard made the announcement.
We tested a rule change for players competing in Season 1 of GSL, restricting them from participating in Season 1 of WCS Challenger. Our goal was to limit the number of WCS Circuit players who would compete in the Korean tournament, but instead it caused all but one of the registered Circuit players to pull out of the GSL competition. That was not our intention, and we are rolling back this rule for Season 2 and 3, bringing the residency rules back to as they were in 2018.
They only decided to revert the rule after they realized almost no foreigners were playing.
On August 01 2019 02:36 JJH777 wrote: Damn this will be a disappointing result if it sticks. I guess Elazer is higher ranked in circuit standings but Scarlett skipped an event and wasn't able to play in the first season of Challenger due to playing in GSL. A choice I highly respect her for. Her best result of the year at WESG also didn't award WCS points. Even if they are around the same level Scarlett definitely has a better chance of taking a series off a Korean. She is a more dangerous player with a lot more variety in her play.
to be fair, scarlett's got a ton of easy points by playing NA challengers and WCS winter NA, while elazer outperformed her at both WCS spring and WCS summer
Due to the GSL choice she has only gotten extra points by playing in Challenger once so far. WCS Winter NA wasn't really that easy. America is easy but WCS NA was pretty much all WCS players besides EU. Special and Neeb are both top 4 non-koreans and Time is right up in the top 8 range as well. WCS Summer their runs were extremely similar. They both got second in their groups. Elazer went out 0-3 to Heromarine and Scarlett went out 0-3 to Showtime. Elazer finished one round higher due to beating TLO. Scarlett didn't even play in WCS Spring so yeah I'd hope Elazer outperformed her there.
This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
His results really aren’t all that historically different from Scarlett’s though
Scarlett would win any ‘fair’ vote held from now until the end of time, which isn’t really particularly fair either if we’re considering competitive strength
I couldn't vote for Elazer or Lambo because.... they are not as good as Reynor.
That said. Lambo and Elazer are some of the most entertaining zergs in the world. I can't be upset but... I feel bad for Reynor. Unless I am miss understanding something, he is now solidly in the conversation of top nonkorean.
I can't complain, my metric isn't yours, but I feel bad. Starcraft skill is so fleeting. A moment in the sun and then your done. Reynor did the work and if he was from a different country, I am sure he would top the list.
That is not True. This utuber has made several films with Elazer introducing the game and the player on you tube over the last several months. Many of these voters already knew Elazer but he just called on them to vote. It is a promotion for the game itself as well.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
His results really aren’t all that historically different from Scarlett’s though
Scarlett would win any ‘fair’ vote held from now until the end of time, which isn’t really particularly fair either if we’re considering competitive strength
This is true.
I'm a massive Scarlett fan, and I voted for her here, but this is the nature of GSL vs The World. It didn't go the way I wanted this time but I can accept the result.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
His results really aren’t all that historically different from Scarlett’s though
Scarlett would win any ‘fair’ vote held from now until the end of time, which isn’t really particularly fair either if we’re considering competitive strength
This is true.
I'm a massive Scarlett fan, and I voted for her here, but this is the nature of GSL vs The World. It didn't go the way I wanted this time but I can accept the result.
Elazer is in group named "x-kom AGO" or "AGO esports" (i'm not exactly sure cause they use both names) which is hella popular in Poland, videos on youtube get up to 500k views with average 150k and he just got shoutouted there, that's why he got so many votes.
On August 01 2019 08:51 AttackZerg wrote: I couldn't vote for Elazer or Lambo because.... they are not as good as Reynor.
That said. Lambo and Elazer are some of the most entertaining zergs in the world. I can't be upset but... I feel bad for Reynor. Unless I am miss understanding something, he is now solidly in the conversation of top nonkorean.
I can't complain, my metric isn't yours, but I feel bad. Starcraft skill is so fleeting. A moment in the sun and then your done. Reynor did the work and if he was from a different country, I am sure he would top the list.
Reynor is still in at the moment with almost 700 votes more than Scarlett! Elazer should tell people to vote Reynor now that he is in for sure, Reynor is too good at the moment not to go to GSL vs The World.
On August 01 2019 08:51 AttackZerg wrote: I couldn't vote for Elazer or Lambo because.... they are not as good as Reynor.
That said. Lambo and Elazer are some of the most entertaining zergs in the world. I can't be upset but... I feel bad for Reynor. Unless I am miss understanding something, he is now solidly in the conversation of top nonkorean.
I can't complain, my metric isn't yours, but I feel bad. Starcraft skill is so fleeting. A moment in the sun and then your done. Reynor did the work and if he was from a different country, I am sure he would top the list.
Reynor is still in at the moment with almost 700 votes more than Scarlett! Elazer should tell people to vote Reynor now that he is in for sure, Reynor is too good at the moment not to go to GSL vs The World.
The main way that he got all the votes, was b/c a different polish youtuber recommended everyone do it.
Elazer could jump up and down telling anyone who'll listen to vote for Reynor, he'll never reach the same wide audience
I don't mind Elazer beat scarlett, he was the victim of the stupid system like two years ago anyway, but if Kelazhur is voted in by igorant group not even caring about SC2, I will no longer doubt blizzard staff's intelligence.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
His results really aren’t all that historically different from Scarlett’s though
Scarlett would win any ‘fair’ vote held from now until the end of time, which isn’t really particularly fair either if we’re considering competitive strength
This is true.
I'm a massive Scarlett fan, and I voted for her here, but this is the nature of GSL vs The World. It didn't go the way I wanted this time but I can accept the result.
Yeah I respect that a lot, I like both players and they’ve given us a lot of great moments and are stalwarts of the scene.
I don’t think popularity contests have a place at a tournament such as this, they’re fraught with problems. Either Scarlett default wins vs Elazer by having a bigger community fanbase, or Elazer pulls ahead as he does. Either feels a bit against the competitiveness of the scene.
If it’s an organic popularity contest the likes of Elazer will always lose, if an outside influence skews the results hugely then general actual SC2 community’s sentiment is completely thrown out. Neither are particularly good situations IMO.
On August 01 2019 09:51 LuftGespenst wrote: I don't mind Elazer beat scarlett, he was the victim of the stupid system like two years ago anyway, but if Kelazhur is voted in by igorant group not even caring about SC2, I will no longer doubt blizzard staff's intelligence.
could you be any more hypocritical? Both Kela and Elazer are both voted in by people that couldn't give two shits about SC2
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
Please don’t blame Elazer for this. His reputation shouldn’t be smeared because of something (likely) out of his control.
The issue with a tournament like this is either a) you leave it up to community vote which results in issues like this, or b) you make it results-based which would then make the tournament redundant with Blizzcon finals.
The only way you can make this work is if you took all players who have WCS/GSL points and let the players vote for who they want to see represent their respective regions. Sure, there may be issues with popularity contests, but it’s way more controllable and probably more honest amongst the players. There may be players that the pros/amateurs vote in that don’t correlate directly with WCS/GSL rankings, and it would be cool to see fellow pros come out in support for their fellow competitors.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
Please don’t blame Elazer for this. His reputation shouldn’t be smeared because of something (likely) out of his control.
The issue with a tournament like this is either a) you leave it up to community vote which results in issues like this, or b) you make it results-based which would then make the tournament redundant with Blizzcon finals.
The only way you can make this work is if you took all players who have WCS/GSL points and let the players vote for who they want to see represent their respective regions. Sure, there may be issues with popularity contests, but it’s way more controllable and probably more honest amongst the players. There may be players that the pros/amateurs vote in that don’t correlate directly with WCS/GSL rankings, and it would be cool to see fellow pros come out in support for their fellow competitors.
Otherwise, there really is no perfect system.
That sounds like a way to foster cliquiness and resentment between players.
And you say there's no perfect system, but they could just hold qualifiers amongst the top uninvited players and it would be way better.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
Please don’t blame Elazer for this. His reputation shouldn’t be smeared because of something (likely) out of his control.
The issue with a tournament like this is either a) you leave it up to community vote which results in issues like this, or b) you make it results-based which would then make the tournament redundant with Blizzcon finals.
The only way you can make this work is if you took all players who have WCS/GSL points and let the players vote for who they want to see represent their respective regions. Sure, there may be issues with popularity contests, but it’s way more controllable and probably more honest amongst the players. There may be players that the pros/amateurs vote in that don’t correlate directly with WCS/GSL rankings, and it would be cool to see fellow pros come out in support for their fellow competitors.
Otherwise, there really is no perfect system.
The situation is out of his control, but he should have forseen it when he went to the youtuber for help. It is his fault.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
Please don’t blame Elazer for this. His reputation shouldn’t be smeared because of something (likely) out of his control.
The issue with a tournament like this is either a) you leave it up to community vote which results in issues like this, or b) you make it results-based which would then make the tournament redundant with Blizzcon finals.
The only way you can make this work is if you took all players who have WCS/GSL points and let the players vote for who they want to see represent their respective regions. Sure, there may be issues with popularity contests, but it’s way more controllable and probably more honest amongst the players. There may be players that the pros/amateurs vote in that don’t correlate directly with WCS/GSL rankings, and it would be cool to see fellow pros come out in support for their fellow competitors.
Otherwise, there really is no perfect system.
That sounds like a way to foster cliquiness and resentment between players.
And you say there's no perfect system, but they could just hold qualifiers amongst the top uninvited players and it would be way better.
A qualifier among the top uninvited players would be perfect IMO. wed get more starcraft matches and it would make it interesting if the players had to play their way onto the team
Look, Elazer put us in this situation. Between Reynor and Scarlett (who I feel were the deserving candidates to go) I can be okay with Scarlett missing although it’s a disappointment. I am not okay if Reynor doesn’t go after the year he’s been having. And that is a fact. But still - bush league Elazer. Bush league.
TL Accounts opened for less than a month are restricted from participating in voting process.
All votes are required to vote for all entries (you must vote for six people, two people per race, one Korean, one Circuit.) REASON: Look at the total # of World Zerg votes. People signed up and voted only in that category. Period.
On August 01 2019 14:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Improvement suggestion for next year:
TL Accounts opened for less than a month are restricted from participating in voting process.
All votes are required to vote for all entries (you must vote for six people, two people per race, one Korean, one Circuit.) REASON: Look at the total # of World Zerg votes. People signed up and voted only in that category. Period.
Not every SC2 fan has a TL account. I also just signed up here when the voting started.
On August 01 2019 14:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Improvement suggestion for next year:
TL Accounts opened for less than a month are restricted from participating in voting process.
All votes are required to vote for all entries (you must vote for six people, two people per race, one Korean, one Circuit.) REASON: Look at the total # of World Zerg votes. People signed up and voted only in that category. Period.
Not every SC2 fan has a TL account. I also just signed up here when the voting started.
Another way could be you can only vote one day after you've created an account. Would stop 99% of the driveby voters without stopping people who are actually interested in the game.
On August 01 2019 14:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Improvement suggestion for next year:
TL Accounts opened for less than a month are restricted from participating in voting process.
All votes are required to vote for all entries (you must vote for six people, two people per race, one Korean, one Circuit.) REASON: Look at the total # of World Zerg votes. People signed up and voted only in that category. Period.
It's great that 10k people (I'm being really generous, it's probably closer to the full 11k), who won't even watch the tournament, are able to influence the results for who gets to go for the foreigners. Elazer's logic is faulty. He's appears to be jealous that Scarlett has more of an organic fan base than he does. It's obvious why more people would like her after he pulled this move and complained that Scarlett got to go over him previously because of her popularity and not ranking (overall Scarlett technically has more points than Elazer this year, they're just not all WCS points because of her performances at GSL). This is a lot of drama just to watch him lose 0-3 to a Korean. He MIGHT take one game if he plays against Fantasy.
One possible fix is: Any account (it doesn't matter the age) that voted for only one person should be removed from the results at the end of voting, and only people who voted for at least two people out of the three races should have their votes count. It's understandable if some people refused to vote for a certain "overpowered" race.
It would be a band-aid for this year's vote until a better voting mechanism could be implemented for next year. You can only call this a fan tournament if actual SC2 fans have an influence on the vote.
Idk why you SC2 "fans" are that upset. Elazer is in the AGO esports team, and the community face of this team (that bad bold Youtuber) asked the community to vote for him.
Even if the votes are not coming from the SC2 players they are coming from the AGO esports fans.
No one breaks the rules here, and imo these votes are Ethically good sourced.
On August 01 2019 14:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Improvement suggestion for next year:
TL Accounts opened for less than a month are restricted from participating in voting process.
All votes are required to vote for all entries (you must vote for six people, two people per race, one Korean, one Circuit.) REASON: Look at the total # of World Zerg votes. People signed up and voted only in that category. Period.
We need SC2 account confirm.
I said the same thing earlier. Only accounts which are linked to Battle.net with purchased versions of SC2 are eligible to vote (because you can have free sc2 accounts)
Alternatively you could also accept free accounts if they have a certain amount of games played in the last few months. This might prevent some people from voting who only watch but don't play but it would also prevent non-starcraft fans from voting.
what the fuck elazer????!?!?!? is he really willing to sacrifice his reputation like this. reynor has a chance to win and hes had such a year, we all know elazer has no chance. this is bullshit
This is upsetting because those who voted for elazer won't even watch the tournament. And us true SC fans have to deal with the consequences. I will root for whoever goes against elazer from now on.
On August 01 2019 06:20 StarcraftSquall wrote: This is pretty low down and dirty. My opinion of Elazer (which wasn’t really strong either way) has gone down quite heavily in the last six hours. If you’re good enough people will vote for you. Results should matter.
Please don’t blame Elazer for this. His reputation shouldn’t be smeared because of something (likely) out of his control.
The issue with a tournament like this is either a) you leave it up to community vote which results in issues like this, or b) you make it results-based which would then make the tournament redundant with Blizzcon finals.
The only way you can make this work is if you took all players who have WCS/GSL points and let the players vote for who they want to see represent their respective regions. Sure, there may be issues with popularity contests, but it’s way more controllable and probably more honest amongst the players. There may be players that the pros/amateurs vote in that don’t correlate directly with WCS/GSL rankings, and it would be cool to see fellow pros come out in support for their fellow competitors.
Otherwise, there really is no perfect system.
The situation is out of his control, but he should have forseen it when he went to the youtuber for help. It is his fault.
I posted on reddit, but seriously, popularity/support is the point of these polls. Get over it people. I want Reynor to go, but Elazer apparently has a larger reach as shown by his supporter base.
Moreover, this post above is literally just spreading misinformation, Elazer posted that he did NOT request it, but even if he did, it's literally within his rights to do so. It's a popularity contest .... -_-
So many children who won't get their candy and they're crying. Silly people.
I understand people being upset, but your frustration is directed at the wrong thing. It's not Elazer's fault that the voting system is like this, the whole idea of fan voting makes these things possible. If you really want the best lineup of both sides, then there should be qualifiers, and to keep the voting side as well (which I find pretty fun tbf) only the last spot would be voted in.
Hi guys i come here be this gimper youtuber, and i not watched/interested in any startcraft 2 before (maybe some foot play by Larva clips), but i'm interested to see how Elazer will propser after all this suport he got from us, so it's not rly true no one will watch him, most of us will do just becose of curiosity, at last i will 100% even if before i not did it even once in life. Hope your not closed for new fans too much.
Really though, I don't know what's going on with all the drama, but the logical choice would be Reynor, he's the only one that ever gives Serral any trouble in Europe and actually beat him in the last WCS.
On August 01 2019 16:30 Noah2 wrote: Hi guys i come here be this gimper youtuber, and i not watched/interested in any startcraft 2 before (maybe some foot play by Larva clips), but i'm interested to see how Elazer will propser after all this suport he got from us, so it's not rly true no one will watch him, most of us will do just becose of curiosity, at last i will 100% even if before i not did it even once in life. Hope your not closed for new fans too much.
Sorry for English and Do boju Polsko :D !
I can understand that you want to support your teammate. Perhaps you could even somehow feature some stuff of the tournament on your youtube channel? Or perhaps a showmatch between Elazer and Reynor ^^
@vote restriction debates Every possible way of limitation in the voting process will lead to also restricting some SC2-fans from voting. There are SC2 fans without Bnet account. There are SC2 fans without any involvement in community stuff, just watching tournaments for fun. They should be able to vote. Perhaps one could do stuff like "promotion for one's votes can't happen without direct involvement of the player". This way Elazer would've had to actually be in this video of the polish youtuber. Thus this wouldn't be that easy to do and is gets more probable that some people of another scene are actually interested.
Love the drama! Take that silly little Korean drama.
Now we need all the dutch to vote for Harstem so he can finally have his year!
I want to watch the world burn! Muahaha
Edit: Whats with all the vote restrictions ideas? The only decent idea was to need account confirmation mail and send those out x hours later. Most ppl be like "nah don't wanna wait that long, nevermind"
On August 01 2019 16:30 Noah2 wrote: Hi guys i come here be this gimper youtuber, and i not watched/interested in any startcraft 2 before (maybe some foot play by Larva clips), but i'm interested to see how Elazer will propser after all this suport he got from us, so it's not rly true no one will watch him, most of us will do just becose of curiosity, at last i will 100% even if before i not did it even once in life. Hope your not closed for new fans too much.
Sorry for English and Do boju Polsko :D !
I can understand that you want to support your teammate. Perhaps you could even somehow feature some stuff of the tournament on your youtube channel? Or perhaps a showmatch between Elazer and Reynor ^^
@vote restriction debates Every possible way of limitation in the voting process will lead to also restricting some SC2-fans from voting. There are SC2 fans without Bnet account. There are SC2 fans without any involvement in community stuff, just watching tournaments for fun. They should be able to vote. Perhaps one could do stuff like "promotion for one's votes can't happen without direct involvement of the player". This way Elazer would've had to actually be in this video of the polish youtuber. Thus this wouldn't be that easy to do and is gets more probable that some people of another scene are actually interested.
Im pretty sure, that Elazer actually was in the Video
On August 01 2019 16:30 Noah2 wrote: Hi guys i come here be this gimper youtuber, and i not watched/interested in any startcraft 2 before (maybe some foot play by Larva clips), but i'm interested to see how Elazer will propser after all this suport he got from us, so it's not rly true no one will watch him, most of us will do just becose of curiosity, at last i will 100% even if before i not did it even once in life. Hope your not closed for new fans too much.
Sorry for English and Do boju Polsko :D !
I can understand that you want to support your teammate. Perhaps you could even somehow feature some stuff of the tournament on your youtube channel? Or perhaps a showmatch between Elazer and Reynor ^^
@vote restriction debates Every possible way of limitation in the voting process will lead to also restricting some SC2-fans from voting. There are SC2 fans without Bnet account. There are SC2 fans without any involvement in community stuff, just watching tournaments for fun. They should be able to vote. Perhaps one could do stuff like "promotion for one's votes can't happen without direct involvement of the player". This way Elazer would've had to actually be in this video of the polish youtuber. Thus this wouldn't be that easy to do and is gets more probable that some people of another scene are actually interested.
Im pretty sure, that Elazer actually was in the Video
Yes and No. The youtube's guy just shown the screen from another video - where they both were talking about StarCraft2 and played on game together.
Vote for Reynor, guys, he deserves this spot. Also, he would have been robbed like Trap if he ended up not going since he would have already been seeded with the old system.
I do understand and I believe the same as some people here that support Elazer was given from YouTuber is somehow not fair against other players. But guys - truly speaking I'm sure there are some "famous" people in Holland, Italy and other countries that could support their players too and make similar calls. As an example - I'm not a football fan and I don't like watch games in TV even. However if it would be any voting for any of the polish player in any online competition - I would give him my vote. The only thing is to get aware about such voting event. Youtuber that Elazer was given a support from is a member of X-KOM AGO Esport team so literally they are teammates. If you look at the screencast on YouTube you notice that only less than 10% of watchers voted for Elazer (there are over 100 000 watchers)
It will be super hard to find a more fair way of voting - however I agree that Blizzard should come back with something. However we should keep in mind that no all fans have Blizzard account, not all fans are regular players, not all fans owns StarCraft 2 game copy... etc. Some of the fans just watch their streams, follow on tournaments... etc.
Maybe there should be some set of simple questions about StarCraft 2 and StarCraft community before you can make a vote. The answer would give to Blizzard somehow a way to judge whether the voting account belongs to real fan - or it's just accidentally person who knows nothing about SC2. It doesn't secure voting from being SCAM from the fans who create massive amount of accounts to support their players but it is something to begin with.
I think the most unfair thing is to change the present rules.maybe theres some problems but we can only fix the next year's rules. anyway TIME is invited LOL
On August 01 2019 15:41 Michalczyk wrote: Idk why you SC2 "fans" are that upset. Elazer is in the AGO esports team, and the community face of this team (that bad bold Youtuber) asked the community to vote for him.
Even if the votes are not coming from the SC2 players they are coming from the AGO esports fans.
No one breaks the rules here, and imo these votes are Ethically good sourced.
Yes he didn't break the rule. However, remember this, this is a SC2 competition and his original SC2 vote was only 500, this is what he truly deserves in this SC2 community. Do not mess up the concept of SC2 and esport.
Scarlett has been on the rise in the last seven hours. Please guys, make sure Reynor, the current WCS Champion and arguably #2 non korean holds his spot for GSL vs The World.
On August 01 2019 18:44 Xain0n wrote: Scarlett has been on the rise in the last seven hours. Please guys, make sure Reynor, the current WCS Champion and arguably #2 non korean holds his spot for GSL vs The World.
Yeah, she is currently streaming with 2k viewers. I hope, they ll show a Raynor match from ASUS ROG, that might help him. Kind of bad timing, that the end of the voting phase collides with a big tournament.
On August 01 2019 18:57 kunfad wrote: What a dumb system. So an average player with a good backing community is going to make it into one of the most stacked tournament of the year?
Ranked #8 on wcs is an average an average player? How high are your standards?
On August 01 2019 14:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Improvement suggestion for next year:
TL Accounts opened for less than a month are restricted from participating in voting process.
All votes are required to vote for all entries (you must vote for six people, two people per race, one Korean, one Circuit.) REASON: Look at the total # of World Zerg votes. People signed up and voted only in that category. Period.
We need SC2 account confirm.
Impractical. SC2 is free to play now. Registering an account is easy.
This always happens when the votes are open to everyone. We already had a similar problem in Italy (last NW) when Mianonna stole the place from ryu, and ended up destroying half of his own army with a disruptor.
On August 01 2019 19:48 StoneQuest23 wrote: To be honest if you can win the 2 WCS events of the year and not even be in the tournament this is all just a big joke.
In fact they are going to change the name to the competition
On July 26 2019 03:18 Xamo wrote: No complains about TIME being invited? Are we losing our purity here at TL?
Time is beating every foreign Terran beside Special in tournaments and he has entire China as his fanbase anyway so he is going to be in no matter what.
Well, as long as Reynor still makes it in, I don't see this vote as problematic as last year. Kelazur definitely didn't belong there when one compares him to uThermal an Heromarine. This isn't the case with Elazer and Scarlett - they're both quite even in my book.
and thanks to this, looking at how scarlet is closing the gap we will probably not see Reynor in the team world.
Sounds ok, I mean he just won more WCS events than Serral this year... he probably doesn't deserve to play in team world.
Nothing against Elazer or Scarlet everyone is campaigning and doing is best to go there and no one is breaking any rules. The blame is totally on how players selection has been organized.
I will watch the event anyway (not like the 10.5k people that voted Elazer) but not having Reynor there would be a shame.
On August 01 2019 20:46 Stefano2 wrote: and thanks to this, looking at how scarlet is closing the gap we will probably not see Reynor in the team world.
Sounds ok, I mean he just won more WCS events than Serral this year... he probably doesn't deserve to play in team world.
Nothing against Elazer or Scarlet everyone is campaigning and doing is best to go there and no one is breaking any rules. The blame is totally on how players selection has been organized.
I will watch the event anyway (not like the 10.5k people that voted Elazer) but not having Reynor there would be a shame.
On August 01 2019 20:46 Stefano2 wrote: and thanks to this, looking at how scarlet is closing the gap we will probably not see Reynor in the team world.
Sounds ok, I mean he just won more WCS events than Serral this year... he probably doesn't deserve to play in team world.
Nothing against Elazer or Scarlet everyone is campaigning and doing is best to go there and no one is breaking any rules. The blame is totally on how players selection has been organized.
I will watch the event anyway (not like the 10.5k people that voted Elazer) but not having Reynor there would be a shame.
reynor still 300 votes ahead
Yeah, the rage is premature a bit. And anyhow, probably one of the reason they went with this system is to generate a bit of drama and discussion. I mean if Scarlett outpaces Reynor (which has not happened as of yet, nor is it as close as the Korean pollnumbers), Elazer said he will consider forfeiting his spot.
So I personally wont get my pitchforks out until it's not confirmed that Reynor is out. But yeah, it would be an absolute shame if Reynor wouldnt make it.
On August 01 2019 20:46 Stefano2 wrote: and thanks to this, looking at how scarlet is closing the gap we will probably not see Reynor in the team world.
Sounds ok, I mean he just won more WCS events than Serral this year... he probably doesn't deserve to play in team world.
Nothing against Elazer or Scarlet everyone is campaigning and doing is best to go there and no one is breaking any rules. The blame is totally on how players selection has been organized.
I will watch the event anyway (not like the 10.5k people that voted Elazer) but not having Reynor there would be a shame.
reynor still 300 votes ahead
Yeah, the rage is premature a bit. And anyhow, probably one of the reason they went with this system is to generate a bit of drama and discussion. I mean if Scarlett outpaces Reynor (which has not happened as of yet, nor is it as close as the Korean pollnumbers), Elazer said he will consider forfeiting his spot.
So I personally wont get my pitchforks out until it's not confirmed that Reynor is out. But yeah, it would be an absolute shame if Reynor wouldnt make it.
Both are getting votes in practically the same rate so for now its safe
On August 01 2019 23:53 vult wrote: This thread is a shitshow lol. Would love to see a postmortem from the tournament organizers about how this all went down.
Just judging from the last page I don’t even bother reading the rest. Lots of people predicted the shit show and it came to pass, not much to see here.
I’d really like to see improvements on the poll voting, but I highly doubt it’s gonna happen.
On August 02 2019 00:32 NotSoHappy wrote: last year it was khelazur, i dont remember anybody complained this year its elazer
who cares, thats what you get with popular vote
lots of people complained last year. it was probably an even bigger deal
Definitely, and the rage was more justified. Kelazur did very little in terms of results and he was voted in, Elazer reliably ends up in top8 top4 of foreigner tournaments, and is currently 8th on the wcs leaderboard. So there's really nothing wrong with him going, he might even do well
On August 01 2019 16:30 Noah2 wrote: Hi guys i come here be this gimper youtuber, and i not watched/interested in any startcraft 2 before (maybe some foot play by Larva clips), but i'm interested to see how Elazer will propser after all this suport he got from us, so it's not rly true no one will watch him, most of us will do just becose of curiosity, at last i will 100% even if before i not did it even once in life. Hope your not closed for new fans too much.
Sorry for English and Do boju Polsko :D !
Great hope you enjoy our great game, but I am very sad that someone from an outside source with zero investment got my favorite zerg player and the best player in my country not to go, it's pretty lame that people who dont even know elazer and haven't even watched his games are voting for something that means nothing to them.
That's why we are disappointed, I hope you enjoy watching him play and I hope you enjoy our great game however but it stings all the same.
I am happy for elazer, I think he deserves more than Scarlett who would have won the popularity contest just because of her chinese team and na background.
Thankfully we have Reynor. I don’t mind Elazer instead of Scarlett as long as the best performing zerg among them is in. Plus he is as good / better as Scarlett atm. I still find these ways of winning polls shady and hope Blizzard will do differently if there is still the event in 2020.
Elazer's surge is a bit suspect, but then again, Scarlett hasn't impressed this year so I'm fine with him getting it.
At the end of the day I expect almost all foreigners to get bopped. Fantasy is the weakest Korean (soO's ro32 exit from GSL isn't enough to change that), but beside that I don't see many winning matchups for foreigners not named Serral or Reynor. Reynor could make a deep run if he plays well and gets to face a lot of Zerg, which is possible in a tournament with Serral and Dark, but I don't like his odds against Trap/Classic/Stats/TY/Maru.
The polish community shown the best organisation. Elazer's team fought for votes for their man. Anyways, how many fans are always in Katowice at IEM? Now they will take reward as the presenting on the big stage. Elazer didn't beg for votes, we did this for him themselves.
I wish good luck also for TIME, China deserves for the wild card.
On August 02 2019 09:48 Kafka777 wrote: This is just bullshit. Oneway or another these extra voters are here.You must be blind not to see this, imagine if all players did this.
Am i the only one whos not upset by Elazer? If only 5 % of those voters will watch the tournament its already a gain for sc2. If all players could bring thousands of votes and only chunk would stay is a gain. So why don't they do it?
On August 02 2019 09:48 Kafka777 wrote: This is just bullshit. Oneway or another these extra voters are here.You must be blind not to see this, imagine if all players did this.
Am i the only one whos not upset by Elazer? If only 5 % of those voters will watch the tournament its already a gain for sc2. If all players could bring thousands of votes and only chunk would stay is a gain. So why don't they do it?
You know, I'm not bothered that he had somebody with a lot of followers boost him, but I do find it somewhat petty that Elazer's defense of his actions (posted on Reddit) basically amounts to "Scarlett's more popular than me and it's not fair".
On August 02 2019 09:48 Kafka777 wrote: This is just bullshit. Oneway or another these extra voters are here.You must be blind not to see this, imagine if all players did this.
Am i the only one whos not upset by Elazer? If only 5 % of those voters will watch the tournament its already a gain for sc2. If all players could bring thousands of votes and only chunk would stay is a gain. So why don't they do it?
5% is extremely optimistic. Logging in to vote takes virtually no effort with social media integration, doing it doesn't create any real attachment.
Doing outreach and promotion is a good idea, but I don't think there's anything special about this event that makes it more effective. You need to actually promote and introduce people to SC2 for there to be any benefit, not just tell them to go to a website and vote.
Im happy with the outcome: Top 8 foreigners according to this year s WCS points: 1. Serral 2. Reynor 3. Neeb 4. Special 5. Time 6. Heromarine 7. Showtime 8. Elazer
Invites: Serral, Neeb, Special, Time, fan votes: Elazer, Heromarine, Showtime, Reynor
All is well, I can see why some people might feel Scarlett would have a better shot, but it s pretty close either way.
On August 02 2019 17:14 Geo.Rion wrote: Im happy with the outcome: Top 8 foreigners according to this year s WCS points: 1. Serral 2. Reynor 3. Neeb 4. Special 5. Time 6. Heromarine 7. Showtime 8. Elazer
Invites: Serral, Neeb, Special, Time, fan votes: Elazer, Heromarine, Showtime, Reynor
All is well, I can see why some people might feel Scarlett would have a better shot, but it s pretty close either way.
Yeah only Fantasy is a bit off for Korea but the rest is fine
I wonder how the seeding will be like? Random or KR WCS #1 vs World VS #8 or KR WCS #1 vs World Wildcard spot. If it's one of the later two, Dark maybe would need to prove he's good enough for EU ZvZ or he's out rather fast.
On August 02 2019 18:08 HolydaKing wrote: I wonder how the seeding will be like? Random or KR WCS #1 vs World VS #8 or KR WCS #1 vs World Wildcard spot. If it's one of the later two, Dark maybe would need to prove he's good enough for EU ZvZ or he's out rather fast.
Last 2 times it was fully random instead of forced GSL vs World.
On August 02 2019 09:48 Kafka777 wrote: This is just bullshit. Oneway or another these extra voters are here.You must be blind not to see this, imagine if all players did this.
Am i the only one whos not upset by Elazer? If only 5 % of those voters will watch the tournament its already a gain for sc2. If all players could bring thousands of votes and only chunk would stay is a gain. So why don't they do it?
5% is extremely optimistic. Logging in to vote takes virtually no effort with social media integration, doing it doesn't create any real attachment.
Doing outreach and promotion is a good idea, but I don't think there's anything special about this event that makes it more effective. You need to actually promote and introduce people to SC2 for there to be any benefit, not just tell them to go to a website and vote.
It isn't like a youtube makeup tutorialist is sending people. These are people that follow games online and are active enough to take actions and time based upon the requests of someone they follow.
These types of user bumps and stuff can really help the corporate part of sustainability for our community.
At this point, anything that we can do to drag eyeballs to our sport is good.
Also, everyone complaining about Chinese voters .... language barrier and internet islands are why they are always under reped in international events. They have a billion people. A day may come, were we may rely on them to keep the game alive.
Elazer - I think you are a talented and creative player. You better be fire in korea because you made a lot of anti-fans on this one. Not me ... but yeah.
On August 02 2019 19:30 Anc13nt wrote: This isn't the worst bracket possible but it's pretty bad.
It's close to the possible worst bracket Dark could have(Serral is missing), how laughable would it be if Elazer beats him(probably the best chanche he has against non Fantasy koreans; to be nomatched, Elazer should have been paired with Maru, TY or a Protoss while Dark was beaten by him in the past and EU ZvZ can be a thing).
I personally wanted to see Reynor against soO and Special vs TY, but Serral against Classic and Maru could theorically happen so I'm content with that.
On August 02 2019 09:48 Kafka777 wrote: This is just bullshit. Oneway or another these extra voters are here.You must be blind not to see this, imagine if all players did this.
Am i the only one whos not upset by Elazer? If only 5 % of those voters will watch the tournament its already a gain for sc2. If all players could bring thousands of votes and only chunk would stay is a gain. So why don't they do it?
You know, I'm not bothered that he had somebody with a lot of followers boost him, but I do find it somewhat petty that Elazer's defense of his actions (posted on Reddit) basically amounts to "Scarlett's more popular than me and it's not fair".
I agree with you.
If he just said, "This is my livelihood and I will do anything to get a shot". Boom. Done. Respect.
Complaining about "I haven't earned fans" is wack.
On August 02 2019 19:32 CynicalDeath wrote: Elazer got what he deserved tbh
What? I think he's got decent chances. EU ZvZ is what can knock out Dark... I honestly think Elazer has better chances against Dark than against any Korean Protoss and most Korean Terrans.
I hope Fantasy can beat Classic like he did in some online cup lately.
Bracket's trash, same as every year. Or does anybody want KR vs KR and WCS vs WCS matches in the first round of GSL vs The World? Stats-Maru, Reynor-Special and Showtime-Neeb happen all the time anyway.
The only thing i dont understand is why they wont make pure gsl vs world matches in the bracket, thats the whole point of this tourney. The voting stuff and everything else is fine.
On August 02 2019 21:46 IArako wrote: The only thing i dont understand is why they wont make pure gsl vs world matches in the bracket, thats the whole point of this tourney. The voting stuff and everything else is fine.
My only guess is they worry about world getting curb stomped and figure random gives better odds.
Why do we have to live with this bull***t every year? Sure TL enjoys the trafficboost and revenue from it, but why cant we make a voting system that it at least a bit protected from abusing the system?
Make voting only available from the Blizzard Launcher, no need to have SC2 installed, but at least "own" it. Not the free2play version, if you dont own the game you should not be able to vote. The game is now 9 years old, pretty much everyone that still love this game owns it, I have only played it in 2010 but watch it since years. That would stop any bots, because they would have to buy sc2 for 15usd because they surely don't own the game, they probably dont even know what kind of game it is. And everyone else that still has not bought sc2 would support the game/developer by buying it..
On August 02 2019 23:21 z4kard wrote: Why do we have to live with this bull***t every year? Sure TL enjoys the trafficboost and revenue from it, but why cant we make a voting system that it at least a bit protected from abusing the system?
Make voting only available from the Blizzard Launcher, no need to have SC2 installed, but at least "own" it. Not the free2play version, if you dont own the game you should not be able to vote. The game is now 9 years old, pretty much everyone that still love this game owns it, I have only played it in 2010 but watch it since years. That would stop any bots, because they would have to buy sc2 for 15usd because they surely don't own the game, they probably dont even know what kind of game it is. And everyone else that still has not bought sc2 would support the game/developer by buying it..
On August 02 2019 23:21 z4kard wrote: Why do we have to live with this bull***t every year? Sure TL enjoys the trafficboost and revenue from it, but why cant we make a voting system that it at least a bit protected from abusing the system?
Make voting only available from the Blizzard Launcher, no need to have SC2 installed, but at least "own" it. Not the free2play version, if you dont own the game you should not be able to vote. The game is now 9 years old, pretty much everyone that still love this game owns it, I have only played it in 2010 but watch it since years. That would stop any bots, because they would have to buy sc2 for 15usd because they surely don't own the game, they probably dont even know what kind of game it is. And everyone else that still has not bought sc2 would support the game/developer by buying it..
But there is no reason to buy the games any more unless you want to play the campaigns.
Presumably many new fans are almost exclusively drawn in by the eSports/streamer side of things and want to give the competitive game a shot.
It was the entire point of going F2P in the first place, all restricting votes in this manner would do is drive a wedge between older fans and newer ones, and that’s rarely beneficial to any scene
On August 01 2019 19:48 StoneQuest23 wrote: To be honest if you can win the 2 WCS events of the year and not even be in the tournament this is all just a big joke.
The reigning GSL champion didn't play in the first GSL vs. The World.
On August 02 2019 23:21 z4kard wrote: Why do we have to live with this bull***t every year? Sure TL enjoys the trafficboost and revenue from it, but why cant we make a voting system that it at least a bit protected from abusing the system?
Make voting only available from the Blizzard Launcher, no need to have SC2 installed, but at least "own" it. Not the free2play version, if you dont own the game you should not be able to vote. The game is now 9 years old, pretty much everyone that still love this game owns it, I have only played it in 2010 but watch it since years. That would stop any bots, because they would have to buy sc2 for 15usd because they surely don't own the game, they probably dont even know what kind of game it is. And everyone else that still has not bought sc2 would support the game/developer by buying it..
But there is no reason to buy the games any more unless you want to play the campaigns.
Presumably many new fans are almost exclusively drawn in by the eSports/streamer side of things and want to give the competitive game a shot.
It was the entire point of going F2P in the first place, all restricting votes in this manner would do is drive a wedge between older fans and newer ones, and that’s rarely beneficial to any scene
Well if everyone can vote the bots and Spamusers would just download the Blizzard launcher and create there an account, same as they do now with the TL website to abuse the system. So there is no protection from this abuse? We have this every year someone gaining votes by ppl that dont even know or watch the game.
So basically right now everyone can "buy" votes, Harstem could have won the vote if he paid for it, I am sure there are some influencal ppl on Youtube that could have made a video for a few bucks. So the message from TL is, if you pay for votes its OK as long as we gain new accounts on the website. Maybe someone could even make a website and sell GSL vs WORLD votes, same as they do for Youtube likes etc.
On August 02 2019 23:21 z4kard wrote: Why do we have to live with this bull***t every year? Sure TL enjoys the trafficboost and revenue from it, but why cant we make a voting system that it at least a bit protected from abusing the system?
Make voting only available from the Blizzard Launcher, no need to have SC2 installed, but at least "own" it. Not the free2play version, if you dont own the game you should not be able to vote. The game is now 9 years old, pretty much everyone that still love this game owns it, I have only played it in 2010 but watch it since years. That would stop any bots, because they would have to buy sc2 for 15usd because they surely don't own the game, they probably dont even know what kind of game it is. And everyone else that still has not bought sc2 would support the game/developer by buying it..
But there is no reason to buy the games any more unless you want to play the campaigns.
Presumably many new fans are almost exclusively drawn in by the eSports/streamer side of things and want to give the competitive game a shot.
It was the entire point of going F2P in the first place, all restricting votes in this manner would do is drive a wedge between older fans and newer ones, and that’s rarely beneficial to any scene
Well if everyone can vote the bots and Spamusers would just download the Blizzard launcher and create there an account, same as they do now with the TL website to abuse the system. So there is no protection from this abuse? We have this every year someone gaining votes by ppl that dont even know or watch the game.
So basically right now everyone can "buy" votes, Harstem could have won the vote if he paid for it, I am sure there are some influencal ppl on Youtube that could have made a video for a few bucks. So the message from TL is, if you pay for votes its OK as long as we gain new accounts on the website. Maybe someone could even make a website and sell GSL vs WORLD votes, same as they do for Youtube likes etc.
Just don’t have a vote is the protection.
My point was solely that most restrictions people have suggested would lock out at least some people who are fans or players of the game.
When we want new people into the scene and want them to stay, any kind of ‘you’re not a real fan without x’ is a terrible idea and drives wedges into a community that really can’t afford to have them.
For example the suggestion you should own a copy of Legacy, well the message that sends out is ‘we’ve been here longer we get a vote, you don’t unless you buy this product’ which is a pretty terrible message to send.
I don’t even own a copy of Legacy come to think of it haha, my hiatus came before it went FtP.
On August 02 2019 21:28 Charoisaur wrote: Hopefully we get a Dark, Maru, Serral, Classic ro4. The 4 best players right now
It's cool how this was the case 18 months ago and its still the case now. We even got a Maru/Serral - Dark/Classic ro4 at WeSG towards the start of last year.
Haha, Elazer even had quite a few fans in the chat. He used to be aggressive 2 base all-in player, I'm really surprised how good his lategame has become. It's true he's said a year ago he will sacrifice short term result in order to make his game more solid, just didn't expect it to work out this well. Glad his friend and teammate helped him get in .
On August 18 2019 00:09 MrFreeman wrote: Haha, Elazer even had quite a few fans in the chat. He used to be aggressive 2 base all-in player, I'm really surprised how good his lategame has become.
Imagine being zerg in 2019 and your lategame not getting much better
On August 18 2019 00:09 MrFreeman wrote: Haha, Elazer even had quite a few fans in the chat. He used to be aggressive 2 base all-in player, I'm really surprised how good his lategame has become.
Imagine being zerg in 2019 and your lategame not getting much better
I'm not sure I want to imagine myself as a 17 year old Italian .