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On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied.
Sometimes it's also because he just can't be bothered trying very hard, you know?
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On April 30 2019 08:19 Xain0n wrote:
Hm guys, I would just like to point out Terran won seven Code S in LoTV, six consecutively; Protoss won it twice, the last of which well over two years ago.
Moreover, the Protoss menace that seems to be so real in your minds has produced only Super Tournament victories in 2018-2019.
PvT, as well, is a less onesided matchup than you think and Zerg cannot choke forever in Korea, it's not like a Protoss victory is certain; in any of case, why would it be a disaster like your words would suggest?
Because the Terran and Zerg players will never be happy till Protoss is removed from the game.
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although patience isn't a top 16 caliber player, he came prepared and outplayed his opponents, Maru seemed pretty unaware of what was going on in both games and respondedly poorly, Inno was less clueless but didnt defend well enough, it happens.
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On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied.
Wait, who said that here on TL? I read mostly that Patience brought up good builds and his TvInnovation in LotV is tragic.
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Props to INno for playing the sickest TvT midgame even after he had to quit his opening in game 3. I hope he manages to advance further.
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This is why I questioned why everyone was counting out Patience so easily given his showing at the Super Tournament. I didn't expect him to come out 1st, but I definitely thought that he had a chance at sneaking through 2nd place.
Can't believe how both Inno and Maru underestimated him. Maru is probably regretting it now choosing Patience in his group.
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On April 30 2019 11:11 pdd wrote:
Noob here, but was Patience adept attack really all in?
He expanded behind it and it just looked like no matter what he would do significant economic damage. (Maybe Maru played it wrong).
Sure he may be behind in tech and army if it fails, but the economic damage would have kept him safe enough to rebuild an army no?
At least in the first game, he shouldn't have done any damage but Maru lifted up all the mines at his wall right as the adepts hit. If Patience let that finish, 4 mines would've hit all his adepts and the game would've been instantly over.
Patience got pretty lucky I think (plus a lot of mistakes from the terrans). It worked out in all the games but I don't think the significant economic damage was inevitable in any of those games, it just happened to play out that way in every game.
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On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied.
Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans.
I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru.
So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world.
Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players.
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Oh shit, now I'm more into this GSL
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On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players.
Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon.
Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche.
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On April 30 2019 18:31 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players. Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon. Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche.
Not really sure you can call anyone in ro32 code S "tierS" below patience with a straight face lol. If you have ever watched a ro16 selection that is. Possibly a stretch to even say tier.
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On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied.
come back when terrans like alive, keen or cure will beat two top protosses same day.
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On April 30 2019 20:16 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 18:31 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players. Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon. Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche. Not really sure you can call anyone in ro32 code S "tierS" below patience with a straight face lol. If you have ever watched a ro16 selection that is. Possibly a stretch to even say tier.
Let's hear what Liquipedia tells us!
Armani, career earnings 18k; best results fourth place in Pughcraft Invitational #2(Major), 9th-12th in HSC IX(Premier), out of ro32 in Code S losing all of his matches(three times).
Patience, career earnings 137k; one Premier victory, one second place, one third place, one fourth place, two semifinals in addiction to one Major victory and the #8 seed in GSL circuit in 2016 worth a BlizzCon ticket.
Not simply tierS, many tiers.
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On April 30 2019 20:36 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 20:16 DomeGetta wrote:On April 30 2019 18:31 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players. Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon. Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche. Not really sure you can call anyone in ro32 code S "tierS" below patience with a straight face lol. If you have ever watched a ro16 selection that is. Possibly a stretch to even say tier. Let's hear what Liquipedia tells us! Armani, career earnings 18k; best results fourth place in Pughcraft Invitational #2(Major), 9th-12th in HSC IX(Premier), out of ro32 in Code S losing all of his matches(three times). Patience, career earnings 137k; one Premier victory, one second place, one third place, one fourth place, two semifinals in addiction to one Major victory and the #8 seed in GSL circuit in 2016 worth a BlizzCon ticket. Not simply tierS, many tiers.
I don't think that the liquipedia results are more relevant here than his actual play, but well let's replace him with Leenock or Rangarok. Same story. Could any of them beat both Maru and Inno on GSL? The answer is still a no.
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On April 30 2019 21:04 DrunkenSCV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 20:36 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 20:16 DomeGetta wrote:On April 30 2019 18:31 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players. Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon. Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche. Not really sure you can call anyone in ro32 code S "tierS" below patience with a straight face lol. If you have ever watched a ro16 selection that is. Possibly a stretch to even say tier. Let's hear what Liquipedia tells us! Armani, career earnings 18k; best results fourth place in Pughcraft Invitational #2(Major), 9th-12th in HSC IX(Premier), out of ro32 in Code S losing all of his matches(three times). Patience, career earnings 137k; one Premier victory, one second place, one third place, one fourth place, two semifinals in addiction to one Major victory and the #8 seed in GSL circuit in 2016 worth a BlizzCon ticket. Not simply tierS, many tiers. I don't think that the liquipedia results are more relevant here than his actual play, but well let's replace him with Leenock or Rangarok. Same story. Could any of them beat both Maru and Inno on GSL? The answer is still a no.
The answer is yes, instead.
And one thing is current shape(Patience is back to a good level again in 2019), another is the overall career; Armani is simply not close to Patience.
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On April 30 2019 21:45 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 21:04 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 20:36 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 20:16 DomeGetta wrote:On April 30 2019 18:31 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players. Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon. Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche. Not really sure you can call anyone in ro32 code S "tierS" below patience with a straight face lol. If you have ever watched a ro16 selection that is. Possibly a stretch to even say tier. Let's hear what Liquipedia tells us! Armani, career earnings 18k; best results fourth place in Pughcraft Invitational #2(Major), 9th-12th in HSC IX(Premier), out of ro32 in Code S losing all of his matches(three times). Patience, career earnings 137k; one Premier victory, one second place, one third place, one fourth place, two semifinals in addiction to one Major victory and the #8 seed in GSL circuit in 2016 worth a BlizzCon ticket. Not simply tierS, many tiers. I don't think that the liquipedia results are more relevant here than his actual play, but well let's replace him with Leenock or Rangarok. Same story. Could any of them beat both Maru and Inno on GSL? The answer is still a no. The answer is yes, instead. And one thing is current shape(Patience is back to a good level again in 2019), another is the overall career; Armani is simply not close to Patience.
tell us how trust is close to patience so he can give 3rd best terran such a hard time in macro games while losing 0-2 to impact.
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On April 30 2019 22:14 Hvvacha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 21:45 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 21:04 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 20:36 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 20:16 DomeGetta wrote:On April 30 2019 18:31 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players. Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon. Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche. Not really sure you can call anyone in ro32 code S "tierS" below patience with a straight face lol. If you have ever watched a ro16 selection that is. Possibly a stretch to even say tier. Let's hear what Liquipedia tells us! Armani, career earnings 18k; best results fourth place in Pughcraft Invitational #2(Major), 9th-12th in HSC IX(Premier), out of ro32 in Code S losing all of his matches(three times). Patience, career earnings 137k; one Premier victory, one second place, one third place, one fourth place, two semifinals in addiction to one Major victory and the #8 seed in GSL circuit in 2016 worth a BlizzCon ticket. Not simply tierS, many tiers. I don't think that the liquipedia results are more relevant here than his actual play, but well let's replace him with Leenock or Rangarok. Same story. Could any of them beat both Maru and Inno on GSL? The answer is still a no. The answer is yes, instead. And one thing is current shape(Patience is back to a good level again in 2019), another is the overall career; Armani is simply not close to Patience. tell us how trust is close to patience so he can give 3rd best terran such a hard time in macro games while losing 0-2 to impact.
Gumiho stomped Zest today and beat Stats only a couple weeks ago. Maybe Gumiho just doesn't play as well against Trust.
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On April 30 2019 21:45 Xain0n wrote:
The answer is yes, instead.
You can't be serious on this one. If we give one of those guys some credit and presume that he is able to win 1 match vs Inno/Maru out of 4, the chance of winning them both would still be in real life almost an equivalent to 'never happens'.
I am pretty sure the actual win ratio is actually even worse than 1 to 4.
Best terran players keep losing to protoss players like Parting, Patience, Trust and others. We don't see anything like that in TvZ. I don't think there can be something to argue about.
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On April 30 2019 21:04 DrunkenSCV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2019 20:36 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 20:16 DomeGetta wrote:On April 30 2019 18:31 Xain0n wrote:On April 30 2019 17:42 DrunkenSCV wrote:On April 30 2019 11:43 Solar424 wrote:
I love the mentality of Terran players. Maru is like their infallible god and if he loses it must be because of balance, because he can never have an off day or be blindsided by a new strategy or have tons of replays to be studied. Can you imagine Armani winning 2-0 2-1 over Inno and Maru? Actually, he showed pretty good games, but somehow it was clear that there was no scenario where he slays both terran titans. I think Armani - Patience could be a close match. At least it's safe to say that Patience and Armani are closer to each other skillwise than Patience and Inno/Maru. So how come that the scenario where Patience wins both terran players not only looked realistical but turned out to be true? When Patience said in his post-match interview that he was confident going against Maru and Inno, I burst out laughing. But damn I did believe that. Serral wouldn't be confident, TY the TvT God wouldn't be confident. But a tier 2 protoss player felt pretty damn good about his upcoming matches against two best terran players in the world. Sure it's all just the mentality of terran players. Armani is tiers below Patience, who in 2016 won a Premier and did well enough to qualify for BlizzCon. Patience probably felt confidence because he knew his builds would have given him more than a chanche. Not really sure you can call anyone in ro32 code S "tierS" below patience with a straight face lol. If you have ever watched a ro16 selection that is. Possibly a stretch to even say tier. Let's hear what Liquipedia tells us! Armani, career earnings 18k; best results fourth place in Pughcraft Invitational #2(Major), 9th-12th in HSC IX(Premier), out of ro32 in Code S losing all of his matches(three times). Patience, career earnings 137k; one Premier victory, one second place, one third place, one fourth place, two semifinals in addiction to one Major victory and the #8 seed in GSL circuit in 2016 worth a BlizzCon ticket. Not simply tierS, many tiers. I don't think that the liquipedia results are more relevant here than his actual play, but well let's replace him with Leenock or Rangarok. Same story. Could any of them beat both Maru and Inno on GSL? The answer is still a no.
Hasn't Leenock beaten Maru before? Not in GSL, but I distinctly remember Leenock beating Maru in a 2019 tournament.
If you pit Leenock vs Maru then Leenock isn't the favorite obviously but it's not like he's an NA Masters level player.
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