• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:10
CEST 02:10
KST 09:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play2Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon65.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes14Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)98
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Grayware Tech Services: Professional Help for Cryp ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story BW General Discussion Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7565 users

Code S RO8 Preview: Dear vs Maru, Trap vs TY

Forum Index > SC2 General
38 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal

Code S RO8 Preview: Dear vs Maru, Trap vs TY

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
March 29th, 2019 09:08 GMT

Code S Round of 8 - Matchday 2 Preview

Dark and Classic prevailed on the first day of the round of eight, setting up another clash between the two frenemies. Now it's time to see who will be joining them in the Code S semifinals.
[image loading]

2019 Global StarCraft II League: Code S Season 1

Quarterfinal #3: Maru vs Dear

by Destructicon and Wax

Rivalries are an interesting phenomenon in any esport, usually occurring whenever two players or teams, evenly matched and in their prime clash several times in high stakes situations. Rivalries, unfortunately, aren’t always very long lasting as one side's performance will inevitably dip due to the forces of time.

For a moment, Maru vs Dear was a white-hot rivalry. In 2013, the two shone like the brightest stars in StarCraft's sky—Maru was the youngest Royal Roader, while Dear had claimed back-to-back titles in GSL and WCS. They dazzled dazzling onlookers with feats of micro, macro and multi-tasking. Their collisions were spectacular, with both players stretching their skills to the limit in a test of immovable object vs unstoppable force.

Unfortunately, this rivalry wasn't meant to last.

Dear’s form fell greatly after his two-championship run in 2013. Occasionally he’d manage to recapture some of his old mojo just long enough to make a top four run in Code S or SSL. However, he never came close to recovering the form from his absolute peak when he was briefly the best player in the world. Prior to 2018, Maru had a tumultuous career of his own, with a single SSL championship interrupting years of erratic form. When the two would occasionally cross paths, it evoked fond memories of the past. Yet, the games themselves could only disappoint in comparison to those rose-tinted expectations. The white-hot rivalry had cooled into a lump of slag.

However, recent circumstances offer a glimmer of hope, that against all odds, this old rivalry might roar back to life in 2019.

Dear has impressed so far in 2019, reaching the RO8 of both IEM and Code S with wins against top-tier opponents such as Dark, soO and TY. But we've seen those kind of performances from Dear in the past. What makes this rematch with Maru so intriguing is that Dear is in the midst of a ludicrous PvT winning streak, winning his last 10 matches with a perfect map score of 20-0. Some of his opponents were on the softer side, such as Brat_OK and FanTaSy. But his list of victims also includes players such as TY, Bunny, and even Maru himself. It's hard to point to one thing Dear is doing right in the match-up—one could even argue that his mechanics aren't as crisp as some of his peers. But he just seems to know what the right decision is in any given situation, whether it's to go for a basetrade, divert some of his units for a backdoor attack, make Phoenixes to counter Starport tricks, or just be conservative and let his opponent impale himself on the defenses. At this very moment, it's hard to argue that Dear isn't the best PvT player in the world. That's one condition fulfilled for this rivalry to live again.

It's less clear cut if Maru can live up to his side of the bargain. The ultra-dominant Maru of 2018 seems long gone. While he did crush his Code S RO32 group (wins against RagnaroK and herO), he then took second place in a RO16 group that he had hand-crafted to give himself the best chance of advancement. He suffered a shock defeat to Bunny in the winners' match, and was a Nydus away from being eliminated by Impact in the group decider match.

IEM Katowice was even worse for Maru, where he lost to Leenock, Trap, and Neeb during the RO24 group stage to miss out on the playoffs. While he got a more acceptable result at WESG with a third place finish, the process was far from convincing. He gave up a shocking upset to MeomaikA during the group stage, and was handily beaten by INnoVation in the semifinals. Though Maru won the third-place match against Scarlett, the 3-2 scoreline left us with more questions than answers about his level.

Thus, the case for Maru is based almost entirely on belief. We want to believe that he is not content to rest on his laurels, that he has been deeply shamed by his failures at IEM and WESG, and that he will defend his last remaining territory of GSL Code S with his all his strength. If all that happens to be the case, then we might see this rivalry restored to its former glory.

Prediction

I recall giving Dear the TL curse in one of last year's Code S previews, where I predicted he’d manage to get the better of his old rival and eliminate him from the Ro16. I’m far more confident in his abilities this year, and coupled with Maru’s particularly shaky form, I think Dear will get his revenge in Code S.

Maru 2 – 3 Dear

Quarterfinal #4: Trap vs TY

by Orlok

The championship picture in the GSL can seem repetitive at times, an outcome of the same people playing the same game for years. Despite this, the veterans of the GSL continue to toil toward achieving their dream of upending the established order and earning a championship opportunity.

Enter Trap, the old workhorse of the Jin Air squad. As one of the most star-crossed players in recent memory, Trap has been stuck with the image of being a perennial choker. You wouldn think that couldn't happen to a major championship winner (MLG Anaheim 2014), but Trap's reputation has been marred by years of Code S group stage eliminations ever since. Sometimes he can play like the best Protoss in Korea—his victory against Dark in the playoffs of last year's IEM Katowice comes readily to mind. But when it comes time to play that Code S RO16 decider match, nothing seems to go right. Trap is no ordinary mediocre—he's mediocre by the average of his wildly varying play.

Well, at long last, we’ve now arrived at a place where Trap has returned to the GSL Code S playoffs. While his road wasn’t as dominant or forceful compared to some other players players, he still got the job done. In particular, Trap's dismantling of INnoVation in the RO16 showed just how good he can be when he's hitting his stride. INnoVation, despite coming off a big win at WESG, looked like he was inside the palm of Trap's hand, and was every bit the inferior player in the series. Following that win with a tight victory against sOs, Trap reached the promise land. All eyes will be on Trap to see how far his newfound momentum can carry him.

Unfortunately for Trap, reaching the playoffs only means he's going to face ever more difficult opponents. Standing in front of Trap and his feel-good run is TY, a player for whom reaching the RO8 has become a baseline expectation. TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now. He came tantalizingly close in the previous GSL Code S tournament, but he was painfully eliminated by Maru in game seven of the grand finals. That might be cause for encouragement—if Maru has slid since 2018, then who can stand between TY and his next trophy?

TY enters this series running red hot. He looked every bit the dominant force we expected him to be in the group stages, smashing the likes of GuMiho and Rogue along the way. It was a welcome change from his lukewarm performances in the earlier parts of the year, especially at IEM Katowice where he was thoroughly beaten by Solar in the RO12. However, TY's TvP is relatively unproven this year, and INnoVation's RO16 elimination showed us that playing amazing in two out of three match-ups doesn't guarantee anything in the remaining one. The stars may be aligning for TY to go all the way, as long as he can pass this serious TvP test.

Predictions

This match is actually quite difficult to do an outright prediction due to the fact that both Trap and TY look on point. TY showed nothing but brilliant performances throughout his run so far. Trap might not have duplicated such prowess, but his overall level of play and especially his series against INnoVation showed his PvT is certainly not something to mess with. This should be a close match, as long as it's clutch-Trap and not cursed-Trap who shows up. May the best race man win.

Trap 2 – 3 TY



Credits and acknowledgements

Writers: Destructicon, Orlok, Wax
Editor: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Statistics: Aligulac.com
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33643 Posts
March 29 2019 09:12 GMT
#2
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 09:23:05
March 29 2019 09:22 GMT
#3
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33643 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 09:25:42
March 29 2019 09:25 GMT
#4
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7277 Posts
March 29 2019 09:57 GMT
#5
Thus, the case for Maru is based entirely almost entirely on belief. We want to believe that he is not content to rest on his laurels, that he has been deeply shamed by his failures at IEM and WESG, and that he will defend his last remaining territory of GSL Code S with his all his strength. If all that happens to be the case, then we might see this rivalry restored to its former glory.


Did you guys go for coffee mid-sentence again? ^^
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
March 29 2019 09:57 GMT
#6
Maru to win another GSL only to make us more confuse about everything
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
FBTsingLoong
Profile Joined April 2018
China410 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 10:05:01
March 29 2019 10:04 GMT
#7
I only know Maru will proxy 2 rax again at game 5.
TyInnoMaruByunAlive,TIMBA
Orlok
Profile Joined June 2014
Korea (South)227 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 10:57:44
March 29 2019 10:57 GMT
#8
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


Well you should thank Wax for his magic in editing more than me, but thanks very much
Writer"Don't leave me hangin!"
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 11:01:03
March 29 2019 11:00 GMT
#9
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S
StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
March 29 2019 11:30 GMT
#10
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


while i agree with the analysis, i also still slightly favor Maru (but 3:2 Dear is not a bad guess at all)

its the same like with Serral. They are meassured by the 2018 standard and might fell short of it. but they are both still worldclass players. And Maru's main issue comes with TvT. But yeah.. with 20-0 you have a strong point.
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
March 29 2019 12:44 GMT
#11
thanks for the nice preview. I always enjoy linked content in the text!!!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 29 2019 12:50 GMT
#12
Maru and Dear have been producing good games for years. People talk about 2013/2014 but their h2h is quite close even in lotV
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7277 Posts
March 29 2019 13:04 GMT
#13
I just noticed the horrible time slot this is live
Why god why?

Well, can't visit TL until I catched up with the vod ^^
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
March 29 2019 14:48 GMT
#14
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)


Can stand behind this. TY and Dark are my two favorite players for a good reason! They're also both build geniuses.

I'm just sad that they're the sorts of players that will never surprise me when winning games, but will always surprise me when winning series/tournaments. They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames, while Dark seems to be a bit too comfortable/committal with midgame armies that he doesn't get to show off his (actually pretty good) lategame much. They're a heartbreaking pair to cheer for
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
March 29 2019 16:02 GMT
#15
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)


Yeah, I agree with you there, but still seems that some consider him a permanent disappointment who just can't win (ignoring the times he's won, ofc). I think this is on display in the TL preview for the last GSL finals as well

On March 29 2019 19:57 Orlok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


Well you should thank Wax for his magic in editing more than me, but thanks very much


Thanks to both of you then Was a good preview!
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
ordeal11
Profile Joined August 2018
Czech Republic52 Posts
March 29 2019 17:49 GMT
#16
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


20-0 or 40-0 doesn't matter, GSL is Maru's playground, I'll question myself if it's worth to live if Maru doesn't win in a dominating fashion. Also I bet on him .. :D
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28532 Posts
March 29 2019 18:13 GMT
#17
On March 29 2019 20:00 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S

Also Dear might do his trademarked derp and sacrifice his whole army on a ramp again.

I haven't decided on this one yet though, this is a real 50/50 for me.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 29 2019 18:15 GMT
#18
On March 30 2019 03:13 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 20:00 Need wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S

Also Dear might do his trademarked derp and sacrifice his whole army on a ramp again.

I haven't decided on this one yet though, this is a real 50/50 for me.

ah yes the classic Ulrena game right? I am thinking we will get a PvP semi finals but hoping for some good games
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55585 Posts
March 29 2019 18:31 GMT
#19
On March 30 2019 03:15 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 03:13 Penev wrote:
On March 29 2019 20:00 Need wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S

Also Dear might do his trademarked derp and sacrifice his whole army on a ramp again.

I haven't decided on this one yet though, this is a real 50/50 for me.

ah yes the classic Ulrena game right? I am thinking we will get a PvP semi finals but hoping for some good games

If only that was the only time Dear did that...
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 18:58:38
March 29 2019 18:57 GMT
#20
On March 29 2019 23:48 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)

They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames

TY chokes a lot in big/playoff matches. That's the main reason he doesn't win tournaments.

The fact he's almost unbeaten by any tournament's group stage for the last 3-4 years shows how solid his all-round play is (the only group stage he failed in all of LotV was GSL S1 of 2018).
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 29 2019 19:06 GMT
#21
On March 30 2019 03:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 03:15 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:13 Penev wrote:
On March 29 2019 20:00 Need wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S

Also Dear might do his trademarked derp and sacrifice his whole army on a ramp again.

I haven't decided on this one yet though, this is a real 50/50 for me.

ah yes the classic Ulrena game right? I am thinking we will get a PvP semi finals but hoping for some good games

If only that was the only time Dear did that...


It's too bad he hasn't built any manner nexi in years.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 29 2019 19:12 GMT
#22
On March 30 2019 04:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 03:31 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:15 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:13 Penev wrote:
On March 29 2019 20:00 Need wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S

Also Dear might do his trademarked derp and sacrifice his whole army on a ramp again.

I haven't decided on this one yet though, this is a real 50/50 for me.

ah yes the classic Ulrena game right? I am thinking we will get a PvP semi finals but hoping for some good games

If only that was the only time Dear did that...


It's too bad he hasn't built any manner nexi in years.

Has he BM'd at all since then?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55585 Posts
March 29 2019 19:15 GMT
#23
On March 30 2019 03:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 23:48 yubo56 wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)

They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames

TY chokes a lot in big/playoff matches. That's the main reason he doesn't win tournaments.

It's definitely gonna be hard to get another chance to win GSL as good as the last one he had, up 3-2 and ahead after the early game in both game 6 and 7.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 20:02:22
March 29 2019 20:02 GMT
#24
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55585 Posts
March 29 2019 20:05 GMT
#25
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 20:21:44
March 29 2019 20:17 GMT
#26
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill
"Expert" mods4ever.com
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
March 29 2019 20:22 GMT
#27
On March 30 2019 05:17 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill




mothership core can't help if you forget to build it at the right nexus
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55585 Posts
March 29 2019 20:23 GMT
#28
On March 30 2019 05:17 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill

Nexus cannon was in the game until LotV
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
March 29 2019 20:27 GMT
#29
On March 30 2019 05:22 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:17 Die4Ever wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRb0DralBbs

mothership core can't help if you forget to build it at the right nexus

lol RIP
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 20:33:17
March 29 2019 20:32 GMT
#30
lol I still remembered this part with the medivac (at 17:09)
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1258 Posts
March 29 2019 21:13 GMT
#31
The curse is broken so now Trap gets to win the whole thing. What a delight!
@GGemini19 GM Protoss | http://www.twitch.tv/geminisc2 | I <333 HerO & Trap | Check out my Build of the Week series on /r/allthingsprotoss, TL, or Spawning Tool
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 29 2019 22:54 GMT
#32
On March 30 2019 04:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 03:57 Fango wrote:
On March 29 2019 23:48 yubo56 wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)

They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames

TY chokes a lot in big/playoff matches. That's the main reason he doesn't win tournaments.

It's definitely gonna be hard to get another chance to win GSL as good as the last one he had, up 3-2 and ahead after the early game in both game 6 and 7.

Not to mention the game 7 vs Zest the season before. Or the multiple 2-0 into loss during the playoffs of 2017. Or the second factory in the 2016 final (although in that one he was favoured to lose anyway I guess).

Being a TY fan is hard.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 29 2019 22:58 GMT
#33
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing

Maru used to 2rax vs protoss a lot during HotS. It probably won him his OSL in 2013. PartinG even called him out on it at one point (that he always 2 rax'd when losing in a series).
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
March 30 2019 00:26 GMT
#34
On March 30 2019 07:54 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 04:15 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:57 Fango wrote:
On March 29 2019 23:48 yubo56 wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)

They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames

TY chokes a lot in big/playoff matches. That's the main reason he doesn't win tournaments.

It's definitely gonna be hard to get another chance to win GSL as good as the last one he had, up 3-2 and ahead after the early game in both game 6 and 7.

Not to mention the game 7 vs Zest the season before. Or the multiple 2-0 into loss during the playoffs of 2017. Or the second factory in the 2016 final (although in that one he was favoured to lose anyway I guess).

Being a TY fan is hard.


It is. But putting all losses into one category is just silly. This goes for every player. If one player had won pretty much everything in LotV or even HotS, we wouldn't be having all these.silly Bonjwa topics.

TY's losses are very different too. The reverse sweeps of 2017 are one thing, and tbh the worst loss he suffered was the Ro4 blizzcon against rogue, because he surely would have beaten soO. Losing to Dear in 2016 was something else though - not a mental blockade for TY. Etc

He really *should* have beaten Maru last season. it's not like he really *should have beaten Zest in 2016, and so on
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 30 2019 01:02 GMT
#35
oh (P)Dear...so much TvP games today but not sure if both top terrans could bring back the excitement of this match up again
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
March 30 2019 04:16 GMT
#36
ez
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
March 30 2019 04:16 GMT
#37
Who's casting with tasteless?
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-30 05:01:13
March 30 2019 05:00 GMT
#38
wrong topic, sorry
ordeal11
Profile Joined August 2018
Czech Republic52 Posts
March 30 2019 05:23 GMT
#39
On March 30 2019 13:16 General_Winter wrote:
Who's casting with tasteless?


Noregret
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#88
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft509
ViBE171
oGsTOP 44
Temp0 37
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 2598
Rain 2406
Artosis 585
sSak 56
Bale 8
Dota 2
capcasts116
League of Legends
JimRising 285
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe184
Other Games
summit1g10053
C9.Mang01538
shahzam862
ToD130
Maynarde68
UpATreeSC66
JuggernautJason19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick848
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream269
Other Games
BasetradeTV237
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 98
• musti20045 27
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2457
Other Games
• imaqtpie808
• Scarra776
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
10h 50m
Replay Cast
23h 50m
CrankTV Team League
1d 10h
Bombastic Starleague
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.