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On March 28 2019 19:43 Snarosc wrote:
Rogue was dead as soon as Dark won his series against Bunny and Artosis said "Dark advances to Ro4 to play Rogue because let me tell you, there isn't even a chance that Rogue loses to Classic".
Some curses are stronger than others, the Artosis one definitely stands at the top.
I hope Artosis will confidently proclaim that Classic have no chance at beating Dark. I would love to see Classic in the grand final.
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as long as we dont get a PvP grand finals im good...
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On March 28 2019 19:06 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On March 28 2019 17:42 Harris1st wrote:
How much damage exactly did the storm drop? Completely missed it since I was watching at work ^^' 12 drones or so. Nothing big, certainly not legendary for my taste. Normal storm drop Yeah, nothing big, only won Classic the game and thus the series and his spot to ro4
And thus being legendary? We had so many storm drops in the past why this one has to be legendary? And I am ignoring the beta times of storm drop meta with KA 
I'm not denying it was a good move, but not legendary FFS.
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On March 28 2019 21:41 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 19:06 Need wrote:On March 28 2019 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On March 28 2019 17:42 Harris1st wrote:
How much damage exactly did the storm drop? Completely missed it since I was watching at work ^^' 12 drones or so. Nothing big, certainly not legendary for my taste. Normal storm drop Yeah, nothing big, only won Classic the game and thus the series and his spot to ro4 And thus being legendary? We had so many storm drops in the past why this one has to be legendary? And I am ignoring the beta times of storm drop meta with KA I'm not denying it was a good move, but not legendary FFS.
Lol no one is saying it was legendary, but you were massively downplaying it calling it "nothing big" like it was just a fancy inconsequential harass that happened to kill a bunch drones that were quickly replaced. It got Classic a decisive advantage and forced Rogue to all-in a 3 base protoss off 49 drones. If Classic did this 5 minutes later, it wouldn't matter that much, but it was perfectly timed and executed to win the game there and then
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On March 28 2019 22:13 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 21:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 28 2019 19:06 Need wrote:On March 28 2019 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On March 28 2019 17:42 Harris1st wrote:
How much damage exactly did the storm drop? Completely missed it since I was watching at work ^^' 12 drones or so. Nothing big, certainly not legendary for my taste. Normal storm drop Yeah, nothing big, only won Classic the game and thus the series and his spot to ro4 And thus being legendary? We had so many storm drops in the past why this one has to be legendary? And I am ignoring the beta times of storm drop meta with KA I'm not denying it was a good move, but not legendary FFS. Lol no one is saying it was legendary, but you were massively downplaying it calling it "nothing big" like it was just a fancy inconsequential harass that happened to kill a bunch drones that were quickly replaced. It got Classic a decisive advantage and forced Rogue to all-in a 3 base protoss off 49 drones. If Classic did this 5 minutes later, it wouldn't matter that much, but it was perfectly timed and executed to win the game there and then
Go back to my original post and read the 2 posts above me.
You need to read it in the way it was written WITH the previous post in mind.
I'm not downplaying the effect nor the move. It was just a storm drop. We haven't seem them recently, but in HotS/WoL 2 base storm drop occured here and there and did similar damage to the economy. Yes, it was just a successful storm drop to me, nothing more.
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On March 28 2019 21:41 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 19:06 Need wrote:On March 28 2019 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On March 28 2019 17:42 Harris1st wrote:
How much damage exactly did the storm drop? Completely missed it since I was watching at work ^^' 12 drones or so. Nothing big, certainly not legendary for my taste. Normal storm drop Yeah, nothing big, only won Classic the game and thus the series and his spot to ro4 And thus being legendary? We had so many storm drops in the past why this one has to be legendary? And I am ignoring the beta times of storm drop meta with KA I'm not denying it was a good move, but not legendary FFS.
Man I miss KA. I mean, I don’t think it can be defended from a balance perspective; but when Parting first figured out KA his GSL run was epic. Those games were so nuts to watch.
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On March 28 2019 22:16 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 22:13 Need wrote:On March 28 2019 21:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 28 2019 19:06 Need wrote:On March 28 2019 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On March 28 2019 17:42 Harris1st wrote:
How much damage exactly did the storm drop? Completely missed it since I was watching at work ^^' 12 drones or so. Nothing big, certainly not legendary for my taste. Normal storm drop Yeah, nothing big, only won Classic the game and thus the series and his spot to ro4 And thus being legendary? We had so many storm drops in the past why this one has to be legendary? And I am ignoring the beta times of storm drop meta with KA I'm not denying it was a good move, but not legendary FFS. Lol no one is saying it was legendary, but you were massively downplaying it calling it "nothing big" like it was just a fancy inconsequential harass that happened to kill a bunch drones that were quickly replaced. It got Classic a decisive advantage and forced Rogue to all-in a 3 base protoss off 49 drones. If Classic did this 5 minutes later, it wouldn't matter that much, but it was perfectly timed and executed to win the game there and then Go back to my original post and read the 2 posts above me. You need to read it in the way it was written WITH the previous post in mind. I'm not downplaying the effect nor the move. It was just a storm drop. We haven't seem them recently, but in HotS/WoL 2 base storm drop occured here and there and did similar damage to the economy. Yes, it was just a successful storm drop to me, nothing more.
Yeah I'm not sure I've seen a storm drop literally grab the win in a bo5 series in a clutch situation for the ro8 @ gsl... especially given it's not even remotely in the meta at present - I think this was pretty ballsy and impressive. Grats to classic on the well earned win.
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14 workers with a storm drop is amazing. You are not supposed to kill that many.
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So if Classic wins the GSL, he'll have to forfeit has Blizzcon spot due to not being able to travel, right?
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On March 28 2019 20:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
The transition of Rogue is mind boggling to me... He was known to be a trickster, a Jinair clown pulling out gimmicky builds left and right. But if the gimmicks werent successful, he always lost in serious games.
And now he is the one that the players need to pull out gimmicky cheese and weird play, because he would completely destroy them in a standard macro game.
I like how he evolved as a player and it brought him a lot of success, he is considered to be one of the best players in the world. But sometimes he should just try to go back to being the trickster. From the first map it was obvious what Classic game plan will be. Rogue should have adjusted his play and just went for proxy hatch, nexus blocks, or nydus play. That would have shaken Classic. Instead he just waited and gave the opponent all the initiative.
I am sad but he needs to learn from this and stop losing to worse players like this...
Yeah, I agreed too. I thought he underestimated his opponents a lot whenever he faced them during ro.8 GSL.
He already got several chances via Neeb and Classic since the ZvP was his strongest match-up among all.
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AWESOME ROGUE LOST!!!! thats what you get for eliminating soo from GSL this season and at blizzcon in 2017!!!!! hope you never get over the RO8 curse!!!
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The youtube link at the bottom of the article isnt useful because as far as i can tell afreecatv doesnt post these vids there
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On March 29 2019 02:30 Gomas wrote:
The youtube link at the bottom of the article isnt useful because as far as i can tell afreecatv doesnt post these vids there
Yes this is the actual link you need.
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On March 29 2019 00:51 StasisField wrote:
So if Classic wins the GSL, he'll have to forfeit has Blizzcon spot due to not being able to travel, right?
Yes. MMA is strict at fuck.
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On March 28 2019 20:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
The transition of Rogue is mind boggling to me... He was known to be a trickster, a Jinair clown pulling out gimmicky builds left and right. But if the gimmicks werent successful, he always lost in serious games.
And now he is the one that the players need to pull out gimmicky cheese and weird play, because he would completely destroy them in a standard macro game.
I like how he evolved as a player and it brought him a lot of success, he is considered to be one of the best players in the world. But sometimes he should just try to go back to being the trickster. From the first map it was obvious what Classic game plan will be. Rogue should have adjusted his play and just went for proxy hatch, nexus blocks, or nydus play. That would have shaken Classic. Instead he just waited and gave the opponent all the initiative.
I am sad but he needs to learn from this and stop losing to worse players like this...
Classic is arguably as good as rogue is. Especially historically. Chin has been one of the top protosses since the start of hots, won a gsl. Rogue has been good for like a year and cant break his ro8 gsl curse.
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Just two more and Classic has it. But it will not be easy.
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On March 29 2019 10:23 meorcmespam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2019 20:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
The transition of Rogue is mind boggling to me... He was known to be a trickster, a Jinair clown pulling out gimmicky builds left and right. But if the gimmicks werent successful, he always lost in serious games.
And now he is the one that the players need to pull out gimmicky cheese and weird play, because he would completely destroy them in a standard macro game.
I like how he evolved as a player and it brought him a lot of success, he is considered to be one of the best players in the world. But sometimes he should just try to go back to being the trickster. From the first map it was obvious what Classic game plan will be. Rogue should have adjusted his play and just went for proxy hatch, nexus blocks, or nydus play. That would have shaken Classic. Instead he just waited and gave the opponent all the initiative.
I am sad but he needs to learn from this and stop losing to worse players like this... Classic is arguably as good as rogue is. Especially historically. Chin has been one of the top protosses since the start of hots, won a gsl. Rogue has been good for like a year and cant break his ro8 gsl curse.
Classic is the most underrated player, ever. I will repeat this over and over again. One of the most forgotten GSL champions, top Protoss for his whole career and yet nobody brings him up, everybody talks about Stats/sOs/herO/Rain/Parting(the latter 2 when they were at the top in SC2). Classic is top Protoss, currently probably right after Stats. And it breaks my Protoss heart that he's so undervalued  But maybe that's my inner fangirl
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On March 31 2019 08:42 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2019 10:23 meorcmespam wrote:On March 28 2019 20:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
The transition of Rogue is mind boggling to me... He was known to be a trickster, a Jinair clown pulling out gimmicky builds left and right. But if the gimmicks werent successful, he always lost in serious games.
And now he is the one that the players need to pull out gimmicky cheese and weird play, because he would completely destroy them in a standard macro game.
I like how he evolved as a player and it brought him a lot of success, he is considered to be one of the best players in the world. But sometimes he should just try to go back to being the trickster. From the first map it was obvious what Classic game plan will be. Rogue should have adjusted his play and just went for proxy hatch, nexus blocks, or nydus play. That would have shaken Classic. Instead he just waited and gave the opponent all the initiative.
I am sad but he needs to learn from this and stop losing to worse players like this... Classic is arguably as good as rogue is. Especially historically. Chin has been one of the top protosses since the start of hots, won a gsl. Rogue has been good for like a year and cant break his ro8 gsl curse. Classic is the most underrated player, ever. I will repeat this over and over again. One of the most forgotten GSL champions, top Protoss for his whole career and yet nobody brings him up, everybody talks about Stats/sOs/herO/Rain/Parting(the latter 2 when they were at the top in SC2). Classic is top Protoss, currently probably right after Stats. And it breaks my Protoss heart that he's so undervalued But maybe that's my inner fangirl
They undervalue him in casts all the time and act like hes some 3rd tier scrub. It really irks me. Been a top toss for years and they still act shocked when he wins matches a lot of the time
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On March 31 2019 09:08 meorcmespam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2019 08:42 deacon.frost wrote:On March 29 2019 10:23 meorcmespam wrote:On March 28 2019 20:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
The transition of Rogue is mind boggling to me... He was known to be a trickster, a Jinair clown pulling out gimmicky builds left and right. But if the gimmicks werent successful, he always lost in serious games.
And now he is the one that the players need to pull out gimmicky cheese and weird play, because he would completely destroy them in a standard macro game.
I like how he evolved as a player and it brought him a lot of success, he is considered to be one of the best players in the world. But sometimes he should just try to go back to being the trickster. From the first map it was obvious what Classic game plan will be. Rogue should have adjusted his play and just went for proxy hatch, nexus blocks, or nydus play. That would have shaken Classic. Instead he just waited and gave the opponent all the initiative.
I am sad but he needs to learn from this and stop losing to worse players like this... Classic is arguably as good as rogue is. Especially historically. Chin has been one of the top protosses since the start of hots, won a gsl. Rogue has been good for like a year and cant break his ro8 gsl curse. Classic is the most underrated player, ever. I will repeat this over and over again. One of the most forgotten GSL champions, top Protoss for his whole career and yet nobody brings him up, everybody talks about Stats/sOs/herO/Rain/Parting(the latter 2 when they were at the top in SC2). Classic is top Protoss, currently probably right after Stats. And it breaks my Protoss heart that he's so undervalued But maybe that's my inner fangirl They undervalue him in casts all the time and act like hes some 3rd tier scrub. It really irks me. Been a top toss for years and they still act shocked when he wins matches a lot of the time
On March 31 2019 08:42 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2019 10:23 meorcmespam wrote:On March 28 2019 20:32 MarianoSC2 wrote:
The transition of Rogue is mind boggling to me... He was known to be a trickster, a Jinair clown pulling out gimmicky builds left and right. But if the gimmicks werent successful, he always lost in serious games.
And now he is the one that the players need to pull out gimmicky cheese and weird play, because he would completely destroy them in a standard macro game.
I like how he evolved as a player and it brought him a lot of success, he is considered to be one of the best players in the world. But sometimes he should just try to go back to being the trickster. From the first map it was obvious what Classic game plan will be. Rogue should have adjusted his play and just went for proxy hatch, nexus blocks, or nydus play. That would have shaken Classic. Instead he just waited and gave the opponent all the initiative.
I am sad but he needs to learn from this and stop losing to worse players like this... Classic is arguably as good as rogue is. Especially historically. Chin has been one of the top protosses since the start of hots, won a gsl. Rogue has been good for like a year and cant break his ro8 gsl curse. Classic is the most underrated player, ever. I will repeat this over and over again. One of the most forgotten GSL champions, top Protoss for his whole career and yet nobody brings him up, everybody talks about Stats/sOs/herO/Rain/Parting(the latter 2 when they were at the top in SC2). Classic is top Protoss, currently probably right after Stats. And it breaks my Protoss heart that he's so undervalued But maybe that's my inner fangirl
Classic is usually underrated (like most protoss players are to be honest) but I dont think he's in the same league as the Protoss best of the best - he's almost there but not quite. His peak was a while ago and while it was good, it wasnt as impressive as the peaks of stats/sos/her0/rain/zest/parting etc
Classic is rock solid and very talented, but to me, he doesnt have that final gear that makes a player truly dangerous. His mechanics are elite but his late game isnt very impressive, which separates him from the other top protoss players (with the exception of sos, who is legendary for his unique reasons)
combine all those facts with the fact that Protoss is lowkey underpowered and inconsistent recently, and you have people writing a talented guy like Classic off as your run-of-the-mill pro SC2 player who is just fodder for fan favorites like rogue, dark, maru, etc
it still doesnt mean that you should ever write a world class player like him off as guaranteed to lose like a lot of people do. I'm glad he beat rogue, hopefully he'll do the same to dark
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