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On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life. but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public. And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here? I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy. but what if the information is to get needed information out to the public, yes those are just words but if a person who has those kinds of beliefs and that person is a public figure the public should be aware of that fact.
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On January 27 2019 00:15 William paradise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life. but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public. And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here? I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy. but what if the information is to get needed information out to the public, yes those are just words but if a person who has those kinds of beliefs and that person is a public figure the public should be aware of that fact.
Why?
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When it comes to privacy in this situation, someone who was part of the private conversation, for whatever reason, made info in that conversation public. That happened. Shit hit the fan, it hit people in the face, someone needs to clean it up.
And again, enough with this radicalization as if everyone who doesn't like the situation is demanding that nothing ever be private ever. It isn't private anymore, if the people involved don't want to deal with their shit everywhere then they should have been cleaner at the time or do some cleaning up now.
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On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life.
So basically, the point is, game chat is never private. Your game chat is always public, and is considered as talking to the rest of the world. Blizzard should show that information whenever you open the chat window.
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On January 27 2019 00:13 blunderfulguy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 23:58 opisska wrote:
I mean guys, there needs to be some boundaries. If leaked private conversations were such a big deal, every LRSL tournament would be in the risk of having to be retroactively cancelled as almost every participant would be banned from life forever for their usual behaviour in certain ... communication channels.
Are we really willing to risk that? "Are we really willing to face the consequences of our collective shittiness???" At least this take acknowledges the fact that a lot of people are shitty behind the scenes, but I also disagree with it in that it assumes there wouldn't be anybody left who isn't a closet asshat to play and compete, or that having people be just a little more responsible isn't actually a bad thing in the long term. And who's talking about a ban for life or as if being held accountable means sitting on an upright pike for ten days? Anyone besides that one brand new account or did I miss something?
heck, I would like just a statement honestly just for clarification and yea you can ask for an apology but I have been saying this already but in this day age just that which is posted would get most anyone either fired or suspended. not saying its right or wrong but that is what society has demanded to happen to any speech that is deemed hate.
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On January 27 2019 00:17 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:15 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life. but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public. And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here? I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy. but what if the information is to get needed information out to the public, yes those are just words but if a person who has those kinds of beliefs and that person is a public figure the public should be aware of that fact. Why?
Why what? Why should people be aware who talks about killing women or is disgustingly racist or whatever in private or in public? I thought that was obvious. I guess not.
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On January 27 2019 00:17 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:15 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life. but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public. And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here? I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy. but what if the information is to get needed information out to the public, yes those are just words but if a person who has those kinds of beliefs and that person is a public figure the public should be aware of that fact. Why?
say you have a closeted nazi but he can in public can make you believe he's Jesus but there's one private chat where his real truth comes out someone got the truth out the public because that person was trying to get you to put him a position of tremendous power. now would you like to know if that person had certain believes thoughts? or would you say well those were private and we as the public shouldnt know about them.
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On January 27 2019 00:18 blunderfulguy wrote:
When it comes to privacy in this situation, someone who was part of the private conversation, for whatever reason, made info in that conversation public. That happened. Shit hit the fan, it hit people in the face, someone needs to clean it up.
And again, enough with this radicalization as if everyone who doesn't like the situation is demanding that nothing ever be private ever. It isn't private anymore, if the people involved don't want to deal with their shit everywhere then they should have been cleaner at the time or do some cleaning up now.
How can you be so immune to irony? You are the one that is acting radically in this conversation. You are the one who is acting as if there was only one way how to approach this situation and as if your opinion on privacy was the only possible.
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On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life. but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public. And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here? I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy.
OK, let's talk about privacy.
What is privacy?
If I take a picture of your naked body and post it in public without your agreement, that's definitely a violation of your privacy, which is against the law and you can sue me for that. But if I take a screenshot of our snapchat conversation and post it in public, what privacy does that violate? "Speech privacy"? If I write a letter to you and you post it somewhere, should I be able to sue you because of your violation of my privacy?
In the case of communication, I don't see how privacy is involved, unless there's a certain contract saying that the document must not be revealed to any other person and both parties signed on it.
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After TIME's chat was leaked and become public, i feel he needs to apologize but I don't think he has to even get temporarily banned.
Context is key! If i write to a friend I'd kill my father because I am immensely angry with him it doesn't really mean I intend to do it and we can't really know if TIME was sober or joking when he wrote what we are discussing, in a private chat.
If you say something in a public context you are expected to take full responsibility of what you are stating, as Guru did(and he was rightfully suspended because of that).
Racism and hate towards women aren't things you should laugh on or find funny, btw.
The timing of the OP post is suspicious to me, as it comes shortly after the confirmation of the Chinese Proleague involving korean players and possibly korean teams.
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On January 27 2019 00:35 Xain0n wrote:
After TIME's chat was leaked and become public, i feel he needs to apologize but I don't think he has to even get temporarily banned.
Context is key! If i write to a friend I'd kill my father because I am immensely angry with him it doesn't really mean I intend to do it and we can't really know if TIME was sober or joking when he wrote what we are discussing, in a private chat.
If you say something in a public context you are expected to take full responsibility of what you are stating, as Guru did(and he was rightfully suspended because of that).
Racism and hate towards women aren't things you should laugh on or find funny, btw.
The timing of the OP post is suspicious to me, as it comes shortly after the confirmation of the Chinese Proleague involving korean players and possibly korean teams.
yes, context does matter which I would like to see Time say something people get angry to say dumb things I'm hoping this is what this is but if this how he really thinks then yea that may need to be looked into because honestly people who believe in those well just not nice people.
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On January 27 2019 00:31 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:18 blunderfulguy wrote:
When it comes to privacy in this situation, someone who was part of the private conversation, for whatever reason, made info in that conversation public. That happened. Shit hit the fan, it hit people in the face, someone needs to clean it up.
And again, enough with this radicalization as if everyone who doesn't like the situation is demanding that nothing ever be private ever. It isn't private anymore, if the people involved don't want to deal with their shit everywhere then they should have been cleaner at the time or do some cleaning up now. How can you be so immune to irony? You are the one that is acting radically in this conversation. You are the one who is acting as if there was only one way how to approach this situation and as if your opinion on privacy was the only possible.
Tfw you've literally said you aren't the one to make the decision on if/how someone should/shouldn't be punished but get bashed for doing it anyway. What a joke.
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On January 27 2019 00:35 Xain0n wrote:
After TIME's chat was leaked and become public, i feel he needs to apologize but I don't think he has to even get temporarily banned.
Context is key! If i write to a friend I'd kill my father because I am immensely angry with him it doesn't really mean I intend to do it and we can't really know if TIME was sober or joking when he wrote what we are discussing, in a private chat.
If you say something in a public context you are expected to take full responsibility of what you are stating, as Guru did(and he was rightfully suspended because of that).
Racism and hate towards women aren't things you should laugh on or find funny, btw.
The timing of the OP post is suspicious to me, as it comes shortly after the confirmation of the Chinese Proleague involving korean players and possibly korean teams.
I don't believe Blizzard will ban him, since there's no verifiable evidence, a screenshot of chat can easily be forged. Guru did that in game chat, which is in replay files, which I suppose is not easily edited to include an extra chat message?
But how the Korean community sees it is a different story. I don't think they need to declare anything, but it will be awkward between them and Time.
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On January 27 2019 00:33 jy_9876543210 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life. but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public. And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here? I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy. OK, let's talk about privacy. What is privacy? If I take a picture of your naked body and post it in public without your agreement, that's definitely a violation of your privacy, which is against the law and you can sue me for that. But if I take a screenshot of our snapchat conversation and post it in public, what privacy does that violate? "Speech privacy"? If I write a letter to you and you post it somewhere, should I be able to sue you because of your violation of my privacy? In the case of communication, I don't see how privacy is involved, unless there's a certain contract saying that the document must not be revealed to any other person and both parties signed on it.
The whole situation here is not about privacy. Law is behind and not to protect social media messages/blog/chat that are published on the web currently.
But if you paste to public the chat like this which could destroy somebody's career, authenticity proof must be required, not only who said that but also under what circumstance and in what context. TL is not a legal authority and cannot identify that.
Besides, do we or TL should encourage the behaviour of exposing private chat/speech here?
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The behavior of TIME and others involved would definitly damage their reputation and fanbase. But posting this to TL is misleading.
One thing about the chinese community is, they like to make joke. There are a lot of shitty stuff overwhelming in internet, that you can judge as disrespectful, racist, whatever. But nothing is serious. Like by saying "f**k u" to a friend, you don't really mean to f**k anyone.
The english community is gathered by people from all countries and racies, and therefore must be very careful to avoid provoking any party. But when someone uses certain (racist) words in a chinese forum, people who get offended are unlikely to see. It is a more closed system. The entire internet world in chinese language is like a private conversation to english speakers. That's why a translation would make things awkward even it's not a big deal in its original context.
For the chinese community, TIME looks very uneducated in this story. But when you guys talk about official apology or ban from wcs, it's way more serious than it supposed to be.
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On January 27 2019 00:57 gpanda.sc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 00:33 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it. Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru. and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life. but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public. And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here? I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy. OK, let's talk about privacy. What is privacy? If I take a picture of your naked body and post it in public without your agreement, that's definitely a violation of your privacy, which is against the law and you can sue me for that. But if I take a screenshot of our snapchat conversation and post it in public, what privacy does that violate? "Speech privacy"? If I write a letter to you and you post it somewhere, should I be able to sue you because of your violation of my privacy? In the case of communication, I don't see how privacy is involved, unless there's a certain contract saying that the document must not be revealed to any other person and both parties signed on it. The whole situation here is not about privacy. Law is behind and not to protect social media messages/blog/chat that are published on the web currently. But if you paste to public the chat like this which could destroy somebody's career, authenticity proof must be required, not only who said that but also under what circumstance and in what context. TL is not a legal authority and cannot identify that. Besides, do we or TL should encourage the behaviour of exposing private chat/speech here?
There's no need to encourage it doesn't equal there's a need to delete it.
Also, "Law is behind and not to protect social media messages/blog/chat that are published on the web currently.", apparently you didn't read my post. If law is behind, it's behind for a thousand years probably. Is there any law against sharing the letter I received from someone with the public? There's "the secrecy of correspondence" which says any third party opening a sealed letter is illegal, but what about the people who received it sharing it with the public? What's wrong with the law? What's wrong with the world?
Seriously, people need to learn to read. And to think.
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On January 27 2019 00:57 p1cass0 wrote:
The behavior of TIME and others involved would definitly damage their reputation and fanbase. But posting this to TL is misleading.
One thing about the chinese community is, they like to make joke. There are a lot of shitty stuff overwhelming in internet, that you can judge as disrespectful, racist, whatever. But nothing is serious. Like by saying "f**k u" to a friend, you don't really mean to f**k anyone.
The english community is gathered by people from all countries and racies, and therefore must be very careful to avoid provoking any party. But when someone uses certain (racist) words in a chinese forum, people who get offended are unlikely to see. It is a more closed system. The entire internet world in chinese language is like a private conversation to english speakers. That's why a translation would make things awkward even it's not a big deal in its original context.
For the chinese community, TIME looks very uneducated in this story. But when you guys talk about official apology or ban from wcs, it's way more serious than it supposed to be.
I kind of get what your saying but this is public information and knowing what was said even joking it was pretty bad so i would say just a clarification from time would be helpful
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I can only laugh at the people who think he means what he said serious and thinks all korean women should be killed etc.
I'm About 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he was joking/trolling.
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On January 27 2019 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
I can only laugh at the people who think he means what he said serious and thinks all korean women should be killed etc.
I'm About 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he was joking/trolling.
he prolly was but again try saying that on twitter or youtube and you get banned or deplatformed.
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On January 27 2019 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
I can only laugh at the people who think he means what he said serious and thinks all korean women should be killed etc.
I'm About 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he was joking/trolling.
German also think Nazi are joking about 99.999999999999999999999999% sure
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