TIME's Controversial Comments

On January 26 2019 14:08 William paradise wrote:
ok yea wtf actually this cant be real? if it is they need some of are #metoo movement in China

On January 26 2019 16:14 Lambertus wrote:
Still not seeing the connection to GSL? Asking for clarification?

Edit: Regarding the title and the post I mean.

On January 26 2019 16:21 Musicus wrote:
Why women specifically if it is about the gsl change? Seems more like his Korean gf betrayed him or something. Very strange and disturbing stuff.

On January 26 2019 17:28 papapanda wrote:
I'm not familiar with Chinese colloquial and simplified Chinese, but is the person who posted this chatlog on weibo actually his father since he refers to TIME as son, or is it more of a slang like how kid is used in English?

Actually, who posted this? Wouldn't it be a good implication of whether this is authentic or not?

On January 26 2019 17:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Obviously I should be outraged and indignant over these Chinese guys I've never heard of....

But I fucking lost it at "I wanted to stretch out her labia but didn't have enough food at the time" took it to mean he is normally a sex God but was just too hungry to do the deed.

Still...probably not the best person in the world

On January 26 2019 17:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Obviously I should be outraged and indignant over these Chinese guys I've never heard of....

But I fucking lost it at "I wanted to stretch out her labia but didn't have enough food at the time" took it to mean he is normally a sex God but was just too hungry to do the deed.

Still...probably not the best person in the world

On January 26 2019 18:18 digmouse wrote:
Private conversation should stay private. Someone broke Time's trust doesn't mean you can stir things up further. This is literally useless and creates NOTHING but problems for TIME and the Chinese community, enjoy your five minutes of internet fame op.

On January 26 2019 18:35 digmouse wrote:

Which is why I can't fathom how that certain someone (not op) decides to make it public.

On January 26 2019 18:40 Elentos wrote:

Guru has a long history of... being Guru. But regardless, if this whole thing is authentic, I wouldn't be shocked if Blizzard removed TIME from WCS Winter. Broken trust or not, this would be a hideously dumb thing to say.

On January 26 2019 19:02 DieuCure wrote:
What's the point of this post except of making the things worst ? Private chat after after a big disappointment = easy to say regrettable things ...

On January 26 2019 19:40 blunderfulguy wrote:

Even when it's this gross?

On January 26 2019 19:44 sneakyfox wrote:
So TIME is racist, says fucked up stuff in private. Someone leaks private conversation into public, and there are a host of people who want TIME taken down. This comes right after the ladder match fixing in the qualification for WCS Winter.

What a time to be alive

On January 26 2019 19:50 DieuCure wrote:
I see that there are many who dont know the word frustration here, and who are so perfect that they never say anything bad in private.

On January 26 2019 19:40 blunderfulguy wrote:

Even when it's this gross?

On January 26 2019 20:07 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:


Do you want thought police? Cause that's how you get thought police

On January 26 2019 20:14 Loccstana wrote:
What does 棒子 mean? I translate it with google and it says "stick".

On January 26 2019 17:36 globalzhuxia wrote:

The person who posted this is not really Time's father,he calls Time son is like a joke.In Amercian movies, sometimes olds call youngs son,but not real father and son.
The person who posted this is Scboy's friend,he and scboy(F91 and Xiaose)and Time are in the same discuss group in wechat.This screenshot is from this group too.The poster thinks Time's words is very funny,so he posted this to weibo.

On January 26 2019 20:30 Nakajin wrote:


What a bunch of idiots

Also he's on Newbee with Scarlett and if that proleague rumor end up being real they would be teamate...That's gonna be ackwards.

On January 26 2019 21:08 Eureka_W wrote:
If this is true, TIME should at least apologize for his rude words.

On January 26 2019 19:50 DieuCure wrote:
I see that there are many who dont know the word frustration here, and who are so perfect that they never say anything bad in private.

On January 26 2019 21:25 yuisaka wrote:


This is not the excuse to be a racist and antifeminism. Even the message is private the players are not and no matter who said this in any occasion will lost their job easily

On January 26 2019 21:15 blunderfulguy wrote:

Idk about you, but when I get frustrated I sure don't go ranting about killing women *and more.

On January 26 2019 21:32 Nakajin wrote:


Actually you probably won't lose your job for it, you could argue something like a damage to a company reputation but most of the time outside of work diffamation isn't a legal reason to fire someone, at least not in Canada. Of course you can just find another reason to fire the employe anyway.
But pro player aren't really employe and esport contract are garbage anyway.

On January 26 2019 18:11 jy_9876543210 wrote:

From an account which also "Joined January 2019"

On January 26 2019 21:59 Luolis wrote:

> Canada
> not modern society

choose one :D

On January 26 2019 22:05 Luolis wrote:

:D alright.

btw who's alt are you?5 posts and all in this one topic

On January 26 2019 22:05 yuisaka wrote:



If Canada allow those kind of behaviours, in my mind Canada is more like North Korea or some area in Africa/Asia

On January 26 2019 22:22 Nakajin wrote:


That's not what I'm saying at all....
Of course what he sayed is awefull and he could probably be legaly in trouble in Canada, lets say if the girl she talk about decided to push charges for diffamation, that's not the point, I'm just talking about the part where you say most people would lose their jobs because of it.

You can't fire someone on the sole basis that he or she did something bad outside of the work place unless you can make a reasonable argument it has an effect on the work place. For exemple let's say you get cought drunk driving you are gonna go into court but your boss can't fire you for it, but they could if lets say you were driving a company car at the moment of the event.
Of course a lot of boss could fire you anyway but they need to invoque another reason to do so (which isn't that hard really) if they don't they open themself to legal action, of course most people would not go in court anyway.

It's a good thing by the way it protect the workers from being fire for actions non related to their jobs. But more and more company include company reputation protection in their job contract that make those kind of people fireable but also mean you can't critisise your own company or some of it's action outside of the work place.

Anyway we are getting off topic.

On January 26 2019 22:30 yuisaka wrote:
If you against the law you will get fire easily and there is nothing to do with your job/company or worker rights thats my point,maybe Canada don't have law on human rights

On January 26 2019 22:41 shabby wrote:


Wait what? Talking shit in a private conversation is a violation of human rights?

On January 26 2019 22:43 travis wrote:
20 years ago this thread would have just been filled with "lol"

in some ways thats bad, but in some ways thats good


but it would be nice if members of today's society learned about application of a concept called context

On January 26 2019 22:41 shabby wrote:


Wait what? Talking shit in a private conversation is a violation of human rights?

On January 26 2019 22:48 showstealer1829 wrote:
So let me see if I follow. TIME said some nasty shit in a private conversation. Some dick leaked the private conversation and now people are up in arms and either want an apology or his head?

Is there anything I'm missing here?

On January 26 2019 22:30 yuisaka wrote:


If you against the law you will get fire easily and there is nothing to do with your job/company or worker rights thats my point,maybe Canada don't have law on human rights

On January 26 2019 23:00 showstealer1829 wrote:



Hmmm.....I guess the world has passed me by then cause I'm pretty sure if I were in TIME's spot and someone asked me for a statement my statement would be two words. Those words being "Fuck" and "Off".

On January 26 2019 23:03 freelifeffs wrote:
lol this is hilarious how people in here are triggered by that chat and some even suggesting him to be removed from wcs… you cant ban him from wcs because of his personal opinions for the love of god. is what he said distasteful? i guess. does it make him less likeable? sure. but we are still having freedom of speech ffs. if thats what he thinks of women then its his honest right and by no means is it YOUR or anyones right to ruin his career over it.

On January 26 2019 23:04 KalWarkov wrote:
everyone is angry at one point. what's the big deal?

let the man have his opinion - if that even is his opinion on woman, ppl say stupid shit in rage - judge him for it if you so desire, i certainly don't give a damn.

"ban from wcs"
LUL you ppl are out of your mind

On January 26 2019 23:07 KalWarkov wrote:


That's different.
If he was a caster or host, i would kind of understand a ban, as you are employed by the organizer.

On January 26 2019 23:07 KalWarkov wrote:


That's different.
If he was a caster or host, i would kind of understand a ban, as you are employed by the organizer.

On January 26 2019 22:15 jy_9876543210 wrote:


Oh, so now you say it's because it's offensive, and it should be hidden.
But what you said before was
"Administrator, please delete this post and ban that newly registered account.
The title has nothing to do with the post content and the private chat cannot be proved to be true.This post is just malicious to frame some Chinese players. Very low."
so I can safely say that you claiming that "I changed my computer recently and forget the password of my old account, so re-register a new one on Jan. 20. The OP author registered today is apparently just for this post. " definitely cannot be proved to be true. So your new reply was just a distraction from the actual discussion, so that the topic will be deleted after all.
Well, anyways, I have a lot of my threads removed for weird reasons, so whatever. It's just a game. I shouldn't be too serious about this.

On January 26 2019 23:21 jy_9876543210 wrote:

Please tell that to Blizzard and Guru.

On January 26 2019 23:45 KelsierSC wrote:
The problem in this thread and with similar incidents is that people feel the need to polarise so strongly and the idea of context or a middle ground gets lost. You are either an "SJW special snowflake who gets offended by everything" or you are branded a woman hating nazi sith lord for not immediately calling for a public execution of the culprit.

Context is very important to this argument. Should TIME have said what he did? Of course not, I very much doubt Time thinks that all Korean women need to be killed. In the circumstances it seems he was drunk/frustrated and was in a private conversation with friends just bantering he didn't expect anyone to see it. This is so far removed from "hate speech". If Time went out and ate 5000 calories to start labia stretching then there is a problem, but this isn't that.

Labelling everything that uses a bad word with a hate speech brush actually clouds the issue and allows real hate speech to flourish e.g. "I said this and it got shouted down by the SJW brigade" whilst making reasonable people too scared to say anything without fear of retribution from people desperate for retweets

A reasonable outcome of this is an apology from TIME saying he didn't expect anyone to see it, was drunk and it was stupid/ heat of the moment and even a temporary suspension is fine but it's stupid to ruin a career over something like this.

On January 26 2019 23:56 freelifeffs wrote:



and once again, totally different thing. guru did his stuff in game, chatting with other players. time on the other hand in a private conversation that got leaked. its non of your nor blizzards business what people do, say or think in their private life.

On January 26 2019 23:58 opisska wrote:
I mean guys, there needs to be some boundaries. If leaked private conversations were such a big deal, every LRSL tournament would be in the risk of having to be retroactively cancelled as almost every participant would be banned from life forever for their usual behaviour in certain ... communication channels.

Are we really willing to risk that?

On January 27 2019 00:05 William paradise wrote:

but again like everyone else who says "its private" it WAS private it is no longer private, you can say this got leaked to a news organization for whatever reason but its now public so it being said in private matters little. take romney's 47 percent comment that was made in private but was recorded by someone just like this released to the public.

On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:


And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here?

I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy.

On January 27 2019 00:11 opisska wrote:


And what about we started actually respecting other people's privacy? Why is that not even a value for some people here?

I think the right approach to any leaked thing like this should be to ignore it (unless it is evidence of illegal activity of course, then it should be reported to the authorities). In particular, media should voluntarily refrain from reporting staff that has been acquired in this way just to discourage this kind of attacks on privacy.

On January 27 2019 00:13 blunderfulguy wrote:

"Are we really willing to face the consequences of our collective shittiness???" At least this take acknowledges the fact that a lot of people are shitty behind the scenes, but I also disagree with it in that it assumes there wouldn't be anybody left who isn't a closet asshat to play and compete, or that having people be just a little more responsible isn't actually a bad thing in the long term.

And who's talking about a ban for life or as if being held accountable means sitting on an upright pike for ten days? Anyone besides that one brand new account or did I miss something?

On January 27 2019 00:17 Ej_ wrote:

Why?

On January 27 2019 00:18 blunderfulguy wrote:
When it comes to privacy in this situation, someone who was part of the private conversation, for whatever reason, made info in that conversation public. That happened. Shit hit the fan, it hit people in the face, someone needs to clean it up.

And again, enough with this radicalization as if everyone who doesn't like the situation is demanding that nothing ever be private ever. It isn't private anymore, if the people involved don't want to deal with their shit everywhere then they should have been cleaner at the time or do some cleaning up now.

On January 27 2019 00:35 Xain0n wrote:
After TIME's chat was leaked and become public, i feel he needs to apologize but I don't think he has to even get temporarily banned.

Context is key! If i write to a friend I'd kill my father because I am immensely angry with him it doesn't really mean I intend to do it and we can't really know if TIME was sober or joking when he wrote what we are discussing, in a private chat.
If you say something in a public context you are expected to take full responsibility of what you are stating, as Guru did(and he was rightfully suspended because of that).

Racism and hate towards women aren't things you should laugh on or find funny, btw.

The timing of the OP post is suspicious to me, as it comes shortly after the confirmation of the Chinese Proleague involving korean players and possibly korean teams.

On January 27 2019 00:33 jy_9876543210 wrote:

OK, let's talk about privacy.
What is privacy?
If I take a picture of your naked body and post it in public without your agreement, that's definitely a violation of your privacy, which is against the law and you can sue me for that. But if I take a screenshot of our snapchat conversation and post it in public, what privacy does that violate? "Speech privacy"? If I write a letter to you and you post it somewhere, should I be able to sue you because of your violation of my privacy?
In the case of communication, I don't see how privacy is involved, unless there's a certain contract saying that the document must not be revealed to any other person and both parties signed on it.

On January 27 2019 00:57 p1cass0 wrote:
The behavior of TIME and others involved would definitly damage their reputation and fanbase. But posting this to TL is misleading.

One thing about the chinese community is, they like to make joke. There are a lot of shitty stuff overwhelming in internet, that you can judge as disrespectful, racist, whatever. But nothing is serious. Like by saying "f**k u" to a friend, you don't really mean to f**k anyone.

The english community is gathered by people from all countries and racies, and therefore must be very careful to avoid provoking any party. But when someone uses certain (racist) words in a chinese forum, people who get offended are unlikely to see. It is a more closed system. The entire internet world in chinese language is like a private conversation to english speakers. That's why a translation would make things awkward even it's not a big deal in its original context.

For the chinese community, TIME looks very uneducated in this story. But when you guys talk about official apology or ban from wcs, it's way more serious than it supposed to be.

On January 27 2019 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
I can only laugh at the people who think he means what he said serious and thinks all korean women should be killed etc.
I'm About 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he was joking/trolling.

On January 27 2019 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
I can only laugh at the people who think he means what he said serious and thinks all korean women should be killed etc.
I'm About 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he was joking/trolling.

On January 27 2019 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
I can only laugh at the people who think he means what he said serious and thinks all korean women should be killed etc.
I'm About 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he was joking/trolling.

On January 27 2019 01:14 Charoisaur wrote:
I can only laugh at the people who think he means what he said serious and thinks all korean women should be killed etc.
I'm About 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he was joking/trolling.

On January 27 2019 01:24 yuisaka wrote:


Also if they don't think about those things why bringing the conversation? Isn't funny nor good joke, I can't think of what conversation can bring this kind of topic and say it as a joke

On January 27 2019 01:10 jy_9876543210 wrote:

There's no need to encourage it doesn't equal there's a need to delete it.
Also, "Law is behind and not to protect social media messages/blog/chat that are published on the web currently.", apparently you didn't read my post. If law is behind, it's behind for a thousand years probably. Is there any law against sharing the letter I received from someone with the public? There's "the secrecy of correspondence" which says any third party opening a sealed letter is illegal, but what about the people who received it shared it with the public? What's wrong with the law? What's wrong with the world?
Seriously, people need to learn to read.

On January 27 2019 01:26 travis wrote:


Ignoring that we aren't actually part of the greater conversation which provides context - what is "funny" or a "good joke" is completely an opinion.

On January 27 2019 01:31 yuisaka wrote:



There no need context also there is no opinion ,like "Nazi is great " isn't funny or good joke no matter what context is so does Time's conversation

On January 27 2019 01:32 travis wrote:


I just laughed at your post so clearly it was funny to me.

On January 27 2019 01:32 travis wrote:


I just laughed at your post so clearly it was funny to me.

On January 27 2019 01:34 yuisaka wrote:


Something is funny but something don't if you are a kid thats fine if you are adult good luck then, something should never consider as joke

On January 27 2019 01:35 darthfoley wrote:


Really lame comeback overall. 1/10

If someone think "jokes" about raping and killing women are funny, I'm not sure I want to associate with said person

On January 27 2019 01:36 travis wrote:


why?




it wasn't a "lame comeback", i literally destroyed his entire argument it isn't funny or good joke no matter what context in one sentence

On January 27 2019 01:42 William paradise wrote:

not sure if you literally destroyed but you made a good point, but yea I wouldn't want to be associated with someone with those believes.

On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.

so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf?

On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:

question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes?

On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:

no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other

this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else

On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:

whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other

On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:

no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other

this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else

if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them

if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it

it has nothing to do with sc2

On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:

no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other

this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else

if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them

if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it

it has nothing to do with sc2

On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me.

On January 27 2019 01:54 William paradise wrote:

really so say a leader at a local state or federal level thinks it ok to make racists jokes ur ok with that?

On January 27 2019 01:54 William paradise wrote:
what about a rapist would you watch that?

fuck korean women

fuck them [korean women] until they faint

On January 27 2019 02:05 gpanda.sc2 wrote:


OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot?

On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:

no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other

this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else

if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them

if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it

it has nothing to do with sc2

On January 27 2019 02:12 7hincat wrote:

if they are to set TIME up there's no use saying anything. Anyone from China can see that this is very misleading translation. Someone know they cant ruin TIME in China so they try to ruin his career oversea. After there's a Chinese Team League upcoming and killing TIME, the best player in China, may be the right way to ruin the League

On January 27 2019 02:09 NonY wrote:

when i'm making decisions on my votes for elected officials, part of that is judging how much they care about the people they're representing. that's relevant to their jobs. if they hate some of the people whose interests they're responsible for protecting, then i wouldn't vote for them. they won't fulfill the duties of their job. so what does that have to do with sc2? if an sc2 player doesn't respect women or koreans, how will that affect his micro, macro, strategy?


a lot of people care more about punishing people than reforming them. they wont agree to the death penalty but they are fine with making the rest of the person's life shitty to an immeasurable extent. i dont take on the responsibility of judging every person's deeds and then treating them accordingly. it'd be an impossible task to do fairly, in the first place, and it doesn't make for a better world.

if someone is behaving well now then im not going to stop them because they behaved poorly in the past. so if a rapist can entertain me by playing sc2 well, how am i helping myself or him or the world by making him stop? if you are the one wanting to do harm (stop him playing sc2) in response to the harm he did before (raping someone), then you have to justify the harm you are doing. i dont have to justify not doing harm... by simply paying taxes to a government that has a system of law enforcement and justice, i've done my part. i elect officials to guide those systems to be the best they can be. as a citizen, i do not attempt to make up my own legal punishments. it's not my responsibility and i have no problem not caring about it

most people practicing social justice are in reality practicing social punishment. they are the ones in need of a lot more justification for the harm they do to people.

On January 27 2019 02:14 ETisME wrote:

he is a professional gamer and in a team, from SC2.

if an actor did/say something racist at this level, I have no reason to doubt he/she would be punished, by sponsors or agent.
I don't care if what was said happened in private or public time.

I expect the same here in SC2 scene.


the translation is quite on point.

On January 27 2019 02:14 ETisME wrote:

he is a professional gamer and in a team, from SC2.

if an actor did/say something racist at this level, I have no reason to doubt he/she would be punished, by sponsors or agent.
I don't care if what was said happened in private or public time.

I expect the same here in SC2 scene.


the translation is quite on point.

On January 27 2019 02:12 Puosu wrote:
NonY did you get that the guy said:


and


is calling out a person for saying that "injust social punishment"?

On January 27 2019 02:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
Let me clear it up, because i feel like i am behind on this drama.

A guy said some gross stuff in private chat.

Said private chat got ratted out.

???

Drama!


Well, okay, who actually cares? I mean, sure, the sponsors that care about mythical thing called "advertising", probably do, but what living being is pathetic enough to actually care?

On January 27 2019 02:09 NonY wrote:
if someone is behaving well now then im not going to stop them because they behaved poorly in the past. so if a rapist can entertain me by playing sc2 well, how am i helping myself or him or the world by making him stop? if you are the one wanting to do harm (stop him playing sc2) in response to the harm he did before (raping someone), then you have to justify the harm you are doing. i dont have to justify not doing harm... by simply paying taxes to a government that has a system of law enforcement and justice, i've done my part. i elect officials to guide those systems to be the best they can be. as a citizen, i do not attempt to make up my own legal punishments. it's not my responsibility and i have no problem not caring about it

On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:

no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other

this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else

if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them

if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it

it has nothing to do with sc2

On January 27 2019 02:22 NonY wrote:

i think "calling out" is fine but practitioners of social justice do not just call people out. but again, i do not feel obligated to weigh in on what i think is the correct amount of social punishment for this or that. i can express the opinion that i've seen social justice react inappropriately without having to go into granular detail of what i think an appropriate reaction is to every transgression. the people doing the harm have to justify themselves

what i think goes wrong with social justice: they punish people because they think it will act as a deterrent so that the harm they cause is improving society in the long run because it'll deter worse acts in the future. that whole approach is of very questionable efficacy and requires a lot of justification. but they don't care about justifying themselves fully because they have a mob mentality and because the victims of their harm are people who have done bad things (though there is also collateral damage, which they don't seem to care about). and ultimately because they don't do illegal things, so they believe they're just behaving how they're entitlted to.

On January 27 2019 02:22 NonY wrote:

i think "calling out" is fine but practitioners of social justice do not just call people out. but again, i do not feel obligated to weigh in on what i think is the correct amount of social punishment for this or that. i can express the opinion that i've seen social justice react inappropriately without having to go into granular detail of what i think an appropriate reaction is to every transgression. the people doing the harm have to justify themselves

what i think goes wrong with social justice: they punish people because they think it will act as a deterrent so that the harm they cause is improving society in the long run because it'll deter worse acts in the future. that whole approach is of very questionable efficacy and requires a lot of justification. but they don't care about justifying themselves fully because they have a mob mentality and because the victims of their harm are people who have done bad things (though there is also collateral damage, which they don't seem to care about). and ultimately because they don't do illegal things, so they believe they're just behaving how they're entitlted to.

On January 27 2019 02:16 7hincat wrote:

那照你这样说生气的时候在朋友面前骂两句操你妈也该被惩罚 带网友你来辣

On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends?

On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends?

On January 27 2019 02:55 Puosu wrote:

is your point that because this isn't the first time someone is saying horrible shit we should just shrug it off

?

On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends?

On January 27 2019 02:56 lolfail9001 wrote:


Is his point wrong? The most you can and should do about it is just make a mental note not to make friends with TIME, but i doubt one would want to do so in the first place.

On January 27 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:

My point is that he has done something probably 90+ % of the poulation have done at one point (even if not as extreme) but because it got leaked and people like to play white knight SJW on the internet he gets crucified for it.
Even the current US president was recorded making derogatory comments about women.

On January 27 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:

My point is that he has done something probably 90+ % of the poulation have done at one point (even if not as extreme) but because it got leaked and people like to play white knight SJW on the internet he gets crucified for it.
Even the current US president was recorded making derogatory comments about women.

On January 27 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:

My point is that he has done something probably 90+ % of the poulation have done at one point (even if not as extreme) but because it got leaked and people like to play white knight SJW on the internet he gets crucified for it.
Even the current US president was recorded making derogatory comments about women.

On January 27 2019 03:07 Puosu wrote:

You seem to be conflating things here. No one has demanded for the crucifixion of TIME!

To be clear, I don't either think it cool to overreact to a person doing something unacceptable/inconsiderate. That doesn't mean we ought to stuff our heads up bushes, though.

On January 27 2019 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:

that's why I said "even if not as extreme" but the point is the same. Dark humor is really common.

On January 27 2019 03:12 Elmonti wrote:
The OP must be really pleased with the thread: not only he makes all of this public (clearly he doesn't like TIME), but he makes people argue for 10+ pages. Seriously, like he's laughing his ass off.

On January 27 2019 03:12 Elmonti wrote:
The OP must be really pleased with the thread: not only he makes all of this public (clearly he doesn't like TIME), but he makes people argue for 10+ pages. Seriously, like he's laughing his ass off.

On January 27 2019 03:20 gpanda.sc2 wrote:


Exactly. 10 pages...and few discussion on why the OP author registered a new account to post this.