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On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me.
OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot?
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On January 27 2019 01:54 William paradise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else really so say a leader at a local state or federal level thinks it ok to make racists jokes ur ok with that?
when i'm making decisions on my votes for elected officials, part of that is judging how much they care about the people they're representing. that's relevant to their jobs. if they hate some of the people whose interests they're responsible for protecting, then i wouldn't vote for them. they won't fulfill the duties of their job. so what does that have to do with sc2? if an sc2 player doesn't respect women or koreans, how will that affect his micro, macro, strategy?
On January 27 2019 01:54 William paradise wrote:
what about a rapist would you watch that?
a lot of people care more about punishing people than reforming them. they wont agree to the death penalty but they are fine with making the rest of the person's life shitty to an immeasurable extent. i dont take on the responsibility of judging every person's deeds and then treating them accordingly. it'd be an impossible task to do fairly, in the first place, and it doesn't make for a better world.
if someone is behaving well now then im not going to stop them because they behaved poorly in the past. so if a rapist can entertain me by playing sc2 well, how am i helping myself or him or the world by making him stop? if you are the one wanting to do harm (stop him playing sc2) in response to the harm he did before (raping someone), then you have to justify the harm you are doing. i dont have to justify not doing harm... by simply paying taxes to a government that has a system of law enforcement and justice, i've done my part. i elect officials to guide those systems to be the best they can be. as a citizen, i do not attempt to make up my own legal punishments. it's not my responsibility and i have no problem not caring about it
most people practicing social justice are in reality practicing social punishment. they are the ones in need of a lot more justification for the harm they do to people.
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NonY did you get that the guy said:
fuck korean women
and
fuck them [korean women] until they faint
is calling out a person for saying that "injust social punishment"?
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On January 27 2019 02:05 gpanda.sc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me. OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot?
if they are to set TIME up there's no use saying anything. Anyone from China can see that this is very misleading translation. Someone know they cant ruin TIME in China so they try to ruin his career oversea. After there's a Chinese Team League upcoming and killing TIME, the best player in China, may be the right way to ruin the League
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On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it it has nothing to do with sc2
he is a professional gamer and in a team, from SC2.
if an actor did/say something racist at this level, I have no reason to doubt he/she would be punished, by sponsors or agent.
I don't care if what was said happened in private or public time.
I expect the same here in SC2 scene.
On January 27 2019 02:12 7hincat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:05 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me. OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot? if they are to set TIME up there's no use saying anything. Anyone from China can see that this is very misleading translation. Someone know they cant ruin TIME in China so they try to ruin his career oversea. After there's a Chinese Team League upcoming and killing TIME, the best player in China, may be the right way to ruin the League
the translation is quite on point.
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On January 27 2019 02:09 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:54 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else really so say a leader at a local state or federal level thinks it ok to make racists jokes ur ok with that? when i'm making decisions on my votes for elected officials, part of that is judging how much they care about the people they're representing. that's relevant to their jobs. if they hate some of the people whose interests they're responsible for protecting, then i wouldn't vote for them. they won't fulfill the duties of their job. so what does that have to do with sc2? if an sc2 player doesn't respect women or koreans, how will that affect his micro, macro, strategy? Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:54 William paradise wrote:
what about a rapist would you watch that? a lot of people care more about punishing people than reforming them. they wont agree to the death penalty but they are fine with making the rest of the person's life shitty to an immeasurable extent. i dont take on the responsibility of judging every person's deeds and then treating them accordingly. it'd be an impossible task to do fairly, in the first place, and it doesn't make for a better world. if someone is behaving well now then im not going to stop them because they behaved poorly in the past. so if a rapist can entertain me by playing sc2 well, how am i helping myself or him or the world by making him stop? if you are the one wanting to do harm (stop him playing sc2) in response to the harm he did before (raping someone), then you have to justify the harm you are doing. i dont have to justify not doing harm... by simply paying taxes to a government that has a system of law enforcement and justice, i've done my part. i elect officials to guide those systems to be the best they can be. as a citizen, i do not attempt to make up my own legal punishments. it's not my responsibility and i have no problem not caring about it most people practicing social justice are in reality practicing social punishment. they are the ones in need of a lot more justification for the harm they do to people.
ok that makes since have to rethink this then
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On January 27 2019 02:14 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it it has nothing to do with sc2 he is a professional gamer and in a team, from SC2. if an actor did/say something racist at this level, I have no reason to doubt he/she would be punished, by sponsors or agent. I don't care if what was said happened in private or public time. I expect the same here in SC2 scene. Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:12 7hincat wrote:On January 27 2019 02:05 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me. OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot? if they are to set TIME up there's no use saying anything. Anyone from China can see that this is very misleading translation. Someone know they cant ruin TIME in China so they try to ruin his career oversea. After there's a Chinese Team League upcoming and killing TIME, the best player in China, may be the right way to ruin the League the translation is quite on point.
那照你这样说生气的时候在朋友面前骂两句操你妈也该被惩罚 带网友你来辣
User was warned for this post.
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On January 27 2019 02:14 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it it has nothing to do with sc2 he is a professional gamer and in a team, from SC2. if an actor did/say something racist at this level, I have no reason to doubt he/she would be punished, by sponsors or agent. I don't care if what was said happened in private or public time. I expect the same here in SC2 scene. Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:12 7hincat wrote:On January 27 2019 02:05 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me. OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot? if they are to set TIME up there's no use saying anything. Anyone from China can see that this is very misleading translation. Someone know they cant ruin TIME in China so they try to ruin his career oversea. After there's a Chinese Team League upcoming and killing TIME, the best player in China, may be the right way to ruin the League the translation is quite on point. damnit another good point
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Let me clear it up, because i feel like i am behind on this drama.
A guy said some gross stuff in private chat.
Said private chat got ratted out.
???
Drama!
Well, okay, who actually cares? I mean, sure, the sponsors that care about mythical thing called "advertising", probably do, but what living being is pathetic enough to actually care?
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On January 27 2019 02:12 Puosu wrote:NonY did you get that the guy said: and is calling out a person for saying that "injust social punishment"?
i think "calling out" is fine but practitioners of social justice do not just call people out. but again, i do not feel obligated to weigh in on what i think is the correct amount of social punishment for this or that. i can express the opinion that i've seen social justice react inappropriately without having to go into granular detail of what i think an appropriate reaction is to every transgression. the people doing the harm have to justify themselves
what i think goes wrong with social justice: they punish people because they think it will act as a deterrent so that the harm they cause is improving society in the long run because it'll deter worse acts in the future. that whole approach is of very questionable efficacy and requires a lot of justification. but they don't care about justifying themselves fully because they have a mob mentality and because the victims of their harm are people who have done bad things (though there is also collateral damage, which they don't seem to care about). and ultimately because they don't do illegal things, so they believe they're just behaving how they're entitlted to.
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On January 27 2019 02:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
Let me clear it up, because i feel like i am behind on this drama.
A guy said some gross stuff in private chat.
Said private chat got ratted out.
???
Drama!
Well, okay, who actually cares? I mean, sure, the sponsors that care about mythical thing called "advertising", probably do, but what living being is pathetic enough to actually care?
well for me personally i just started following Time looks like a very good player but I really don't like racists so ill choose not to follow him.
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On January 27 2019 02:09 NonY wrote:
if someone is behaving well now then im not going to stop them because they behaved poorly in the past. so if a rapist can entertain me by playing sc2 well, how am i helping myself or him or the world by making him stop? if you are the one wanting to do harm (stop him playing sc2) in response to the harm he did before (raping someone), then you have to justify the harm you are doing. i dont have to justify not doing harm... by simply paying taxes to a government that has a system of law enforcement and justice, i've done my part. i elect officials to guide those systems to be the best they can be. as a citizen, i do not attempt to make up my own legal punishments. it's not my responsibility and i have no problem not caring about it
this premise is the one thats wonky
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On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere elseif they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it it has nothing to do with sc2
This thread is about something a SC2 professional player allegedly said. I have 0 understanding of why you think this is inappropriate in the "Starcraft 2 General" forum
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On January 27 2019 02:22 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:12 Puosu wrote:NonY did you get that the guy said: fuck korean women and fuck them [korean women] until they faint is calling out a person for saying that "injust social punishment"? i think "calling out" is fine but practitioners of social justice do not just call people out. but again, i do not feel obligated to weigh in on what i think is the correct amount of social punishment for this or that. i can express the opinion that i've seen social justice react inappropriately without having to go into granular detail of what i think an appropriate reaction is to every transgression. the people doing the harm have to justify themselves what i think goes wrong with social justice: they punish people because they think it will act as a deterrent so that the harm they cause is improving society in the long run because it'll deter worse acts in the future. that whole approach is of very questionable efficacy and requires a lot of justification. but they don't care about justifying themselves fully because they have a mob mentality and because the victims of their harm are people who have done bad things (though there is also collateral damage, which they don't seem to care about). and ultimately because they don't do illegal things, so they believe they're just behaving how they're entitlted to.
What do you mean by social justice? Is this thread an act of social justice? Are we punishing him now, just by talking about what he said, and we need a lot of justification for that?
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On January 27 2019 02:22 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:12 Puosu wrote:NonY did you get that the guy said: fuck korean women and fuck them [korean women] until they faint is calling out a person for saying that "injust social punishment"? i think "calling out" is fine but practitioners of social justice do not just call people out. but again, i do not feel obligated to weigh in on what i think is the correct amount of social punishment for this or that. i can express the opinion that i've seen social justice react inappropriately without having to go into granular detail of what i think an appropriate reaction is to every transgression. the people doing the harm have to justify themselves what i think goes wrong with social justice: they punish people because they think it will act as a deterrent so that the harm they cause is improving society in the long run because it'll deter worse acts in the future. that whole approach is of very questionable efficacy and requires a lot of justification. but they don't care about justifying themselves fully because they have a mob mentality and because the victims of their harm are people who have done bad things (though there is also collateral damage, which they don't seem to care about). and ultimately because they don't do illegal things, so they believe they're just behaving how they're entitlted to.
I don't see how the posters ITT have over-retaliated towards TIME so I don't get what this discussion of the greater social justice "movement" has to offer.
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On January 27 2019 02:16 7hincat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:14 ETisME wrote:On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it it has nothing to do with sc2 he is a professional gamer and in a team, from SC2. if an actor did/say something racist at this level, I have no reason to doubt he/she would be punished, by sponsors or agent. I don't care if what was said happened in private or public time. I expect the same here in SC2 scene. On January 27 2019 02:12 7hincat wrote:On January 27 2019 02:05 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me. OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot? if they are to set TIME up there's no use saying anything. Anyone from China can see that this is very misleading translation. Someone know they cant ruin TIME in China so they try to ruin his career oversea. After there's a Chinese Team League upcoming and killing TIME, the best player in China, may be the right way to ruin the League the translation is quite on point. 那照你这样说生气的时候在朋友面前骂两句操你妈也该被惩罚 带网友你来辣
English only site.
Fuck your mum is a common swear word.
Fuck the korean bitches is not, Fuck them till they faint is at another level.
Simple as that.
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Time prolly should address this at some point because yes if he said those things he should be held to some standard not saying ban but at least a warning from wcs
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Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends?
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On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends?
I mean i call the racist left the most evil people on earth but other then that no never have.
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On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends?
is your point that because this isn't the first time someone is saying horrible shit we should just shrug it off
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you'd think the prevalence of this kind of speech would get you more pissed off!
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