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I give so little of a fuck about foreign sc2 that I've never watched a single wcs match properly, I was for sure a non-believer, but I've seen Serral play on his stream and vs koreans, he is exactly where he should be.
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Comments are great this time, wow
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On October 06 2018 04:59 fishjie wrote:
i would really like to see region locking removed next year. then all this serral discussion will go away. either serral continues to dominate with no region locking, or he doesn't. but the debate would be settled. region locking is horrible. a player is good because they have competed against the very best. by region locking, that hasn't happened. serral did amazing in gsl vs the world, but that's a sample size of 1 tournament. him stomping foreigners? completely irrelevant. TY could've stomped all the foreigner tournaments as well but he got ranked lower
Then we are back to Patience stomping all the foreigners. (just to trigger the serral fans, chuckle)
I agree with you. Based on the results from Neeb, Scarlett, Serral and Raynor. The foreigners isn't the same as it was before region locking. It would be nice to remove the region locking now. The destruction of SSL and ProLeague is enough damage to SC2 pro scene.
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Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't.
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On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't.
I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro.
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On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro.
Ahhh yeah bro very well said.. all that and just a few key points you missed tho.. welfare checks for foreigners while harder working better players in Korea get fucked over by facing all the best players in the world for the same amount of money foreigners who wouldnt even qualify for code S compete with eachother for.. slowing the evolution of the overall level of play for foreigners who only have to be good enough to beat other foreigners vs natural selection etc.. hopefully this repeat stompfest @ blizzcon will be the last time we dont get to see innovation / soO / gumiho / solar in the "world championship" while being treated to good old nerchio / has and heromarine.
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On October 07 2018 01:09 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro. Ahhh yeah bro very well said.. all that and just a few key points you missed tho.. welfare checks for foreigners while harder working better players in Korea get fucked over by facing all the best players in the world for the same amount of money foreigners who wouldnt even qualify for code S compete with eachother for.. slowing the evolution of the overall level of play for foreigners who only have to be good enough to beat other foreigners vs natural selection etc.. hopefully this repeat stompfest @ blizzcon will be the last time we dont get to see innovation / soO / gumiho / solar in the "world championship" while being treated to good old nerchio / has and heromarine.
I specifically talked about the notion he painted negatively, when it is in fact a positive (even though it might be wrong to hype them that hard, but for the scene it's a good thing).
It's also not unfair to have specific competition's for a specific circle of players/teams and/or skill levels which then seeds into other competition. I mostly care about the korean scene myself, but doing the step to give foreign players a chance to become pro, give the foreign scene a chance to grow, etc was a good step.
People can talk about unfairness as long as they want, no system is completely fair for everybody. Koreans had it easier before, living in the region which was best at developing your skill but still traveling to the other regions and get the prize money there. Now foreigners have it easier because that's not possible anymore. It mostly depends on your priorities here, what situation you prefer. i think trying to build a foreign scene is overall better for the sc2 scene even if it makes it harder for koreans compared to before.
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Everybody's hyping up the possible Maru vs Serral matchup in BlizzCon but watch sOs quietly advance forward and win the whole thing again haha
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On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't.
but....they do ask koreans for balancing advice...
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On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro.
WHile he ilustrated why region lock is good, you missed the point of how it fucking hurts Korea. Everybody and their mom is hyping WCS, yaaaaaaaay.
WHAT ABOUT THE KOREA?"!!?!?!?!?
Everybody is ignoring this region. Now we had foreigners taking money from Koreans while Koreans can't leave the god damn country to take foreigner wellfare checks.
If you say A, then say B too, please.
Edit> Just made the text I find most ironic bold. Just saying how many newcomers we saw in GSL...
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region lock is like a reverse robin hood, cause europeans are for sure much better off than koreans in terms of money, let's not even focus on dream land scandinavia.
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Neither Gom nor Afreeca ever wanted a region lock for their own tournament ('cause global, you know). They just saw that their tournament gains in popularity when some foreigners qualify - the foreigner-cinderella vs holding-homeground story is interesting for both sides.
Thus GSL actually benefits from no region-lock. And guess what? A well-off GSL is good for the korean scene.
region lock is like a reverse robin hood, cause europeans are for sure much better off than koreans in terms of money, let's not even focus on dream land scandinavia.
Well, explain that to the polish, ukranian and russian pros...
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On October 07 2018 03:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 01:09 DomeGetta wrote:On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro. Ahhh yeah bro very well said.. all that and just a few key points you missed tho.. welfare checks for foreigners while harder working better players in Korea get fucked over by facing all the best players in the world for the same amount of money foreigners who wouldnt even qualify for code S compete with eachother for.. slowing the evolution of the overall level of play for foreigners who only have to be good enough to beat other foreigners vs natural selection etc.. hopefully this repeat stompfest @ blizzcon will be the last time we dont get to see innovation / soO / gumiho / solar in the "world championship" while being treated to good old nerchio / has and heromarine. I specifically talked about the notion he painted negatively, when it is in fact a positive (even though it might be wrong to hype them that hard, but for the scene it's a good thing). It's also not unfair to have specific competition's for a specific circle of players/teams and/or skill levels which then seeds into other competition. I mostly care about the korean scene myself, but doing the step to give foreign players a chance to become pro, give the foreign scene a chance to grow, etc was a good step. People can talk about unfairness as long as they want, no system is completely fair for everybody. Koreans had it easier before, living in the region which was best at developing your skill but still traveling to the other regions and get the prize money there. Now foreigners have it easier because that's not possible anymore. It mostly depends on your priorities here, what situation you prefer. i think trying to build a foreign scene is overall better for the sc2 scene even if it makes it harder for koreans compared to before.
Ur logic is hilarious. Koreans had it "easier" before? When it was fair because everyone could compete for all the prize pool? Was there a law that prevented foreigners from going to Korea to practice on KR ? Or would it have just been too "inconvienant" for them? You think the struggling pros in KR would be crying about the inconvienance to go destroy wcs if they werent barred? Give me a fucking break. Building a foreign scene is important. Have we done that? Really? Or have we just glorified mediocrity while shrinking the top level scene? Any non bias fan honestly rather see nerchio heromarine has over inno gumi soo solar byun hero fuck i would give parting and taeja 5 to 1 to make it further at blizzcon.
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On October 07 2018 23:01 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 03:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 07 2018 01:09 DomeGetta wrote:On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro. Ahhh yeah bro very well said.. all that and just a few key points you missed tho.. welfare checks for foreigners while harder working better players in Korea get fucked over by facing all the best players in the world for the same amount of money foreigners who wouldnt even qualify for code S compete with eachother for.. slowing the evolution of the overall level of play for foreigners who only have to be good enough to beat other foreigners vs natural selection etc.. hopefully this repeat stompfest @ blizzcon will be the last time we dont get to see innovation / soO / gumiho / solar in the "world championship" while being treated to good old nerchio / has and heromarine. I specifically talked about the notion he painted negatively, when it is in fact a positive (even though it might be wrong to hype them that hard, but for the scene it's a good thing). It's also not unfair to have specific competition's for a specific circle of players/teams and/or skill levels which then seeds into other competition. I mostly care about the korean scene myself, but doing the step to give foreign players a chance to become pro, give the foreign scene a chance to grow, etc was a good step. People can talk about unfairness as long as they want, no system is completely fair for everybody. Koreans had it easier before, living in the region which was best at developing your skill but still traveling to the other regions and get the prize money there. Now foreigners have it easier because that's not possible anymore. It mostly depends on your priorities here, what situation you prefer. i think trying to build a foreign scene is overall better for the sc2 scene even if it makes it harder for koreans compared to before. Ur logic is hilarious. Koreans had it "easier" before? When it was fair because everyone could compete for all the prize pool? Was there a law that prevented foreigners from going to Korea to practice on KR ? Or would it have just been too "inconvienant" for them? You think the struggling pros in KR would be crying about the inconvienance to go destroy wcs if they werent barred? Give me a fucking break. Building a foreign scene is important. Have we done that? Really? Or have we just glorified mediocrity while shrinking the top level scene? Any non bias fan honestly rather see nerchio heromarine has over inno gumi soo solar byun hero fuck i would give parting and taeja 5 to 1 to make it further at blizzcon.
I'll take the 5:1 on Nerchio making it further than PartinG in the next tournament they both play, thanks.
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On October 07 2018 23:03 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 23:01 DomeGetta wrote:On October 07 2018 03:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 07 2018 01:09 DomeGetta wrote:On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro. Ahhh yeah bro very well said.. all that and just a few key points you missed tho.. welfare checks for foreigners while harder working better players in Korea get fucked over by facing all the best players in the world for the same amount of money foreigners who wouldnt even qualify for code S compete with eachother for.. slowing the evolution of the overall level of play for foreigners who only have to be good enough to beat other foreigners vs natural selection etc.. hopefully this repeat stompfest @ blizzcon will be the last time we dont get to see innovation / soO / gumiho / solar in the "world championship" while being treated to good old nerchio / has and heromarine. I specifically talked about the notion he painted negatively, when it is in fact a positive (even though it might be wrong to hype them that hard, but for the scene it's a good thing). It's also not unfair to have specific competition's for a specific circle of players/teams and/or skill levels which then seeds into other competition. I mostly care about the korean scene myself, but doing the step to give foreign players a chance to become pro, give the foreign scene a chance to grow, etc was a good step. People can talk about unfairness as long as they want, no system is completely fair for everybody. Koreans had it easier before, living in the region which was best at developing your skill but still traveling to the other regions and get the prize money there. Now foreigners have it easier because that's not possible anymore. It mostly depends on your priorities here, what situation you prefer. i think trying to build a foreign scene is overall better for the sc2 scene even if it makes it harder for koreans compared to before. Ur logic is hilarious. Koreans had it "easier" before? When it was fair because everyone could compete for all the prize pool? Was there a law that prevented foreigners from going to Korea to practice on KR ? Or would it have just been too "inconvienant" for them? You think the struggling pros in KR would be crying about the inconvienance to go destroy wcs if they werent barred? Give me a fucking break. Building a foreign scene is important. Have we done that? Really? Or have we just glorified mediocrity while shrinking the top level scene? Any non bias fan honestly rather see nerchio heromarine has over inno gumi soo solar byun hero fuck i would give parting and taeja 5 to 1 to make it further at blizzcon. I'll take the 5:1 on Nerchio making it further than PartinG in the next tournament they both play, thanks.
Lol - is that a joke poking at the fact that they wont ever play in a tournament together again ? Or you saying you think nerchio is going to look top notch at blizzcon?
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On October 07 2018 23:06 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 23:03 Ej_ wrote:On October 07 2018 23:01 DomeGetta wrote:On October 07 2018 03:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 07 2018 01:09 DomeGetta wrote:On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro. Ahhh yeah bro very well said.. all that and just a few key points you missed tho.. welfare checks for foreigners while harder working better players in Korea get fucked over by facing all the best players in the world for the same amount of money foreigners who wouldnt even qualify for code S compete with eachother for.. slowing the evolution of the overall level of play for foreigners who only have to be good enough to beat other foreigners vs natural selection etc.. hopefully this repeat stompfest @ blizzcon will be the last time we dont get to see innovation / soO / gumiho / solar in the "world championship" while being treated to good old nerchio / has and heromarine. I specifically talked about the notion he painted negatively, when it is in fact a positive (even though it might be wrong to hype them that hard, but for the scene it's a good thing). It's also not unfair to have specific competition's for a specific circle of players/teams and/or skill levels which then seeds into other competition. I mostly care about the korean scene myself, but doing the step to give foreign players a chance to become pro, give the foreign scene a chance to grow, etc was a good step. People can talk about unfairness as long as they want, no system is completely fair for everybody. Koreans had it easier before, living in the region which was best at developing your skill but still traveling to the other regions and get the prize money there. Now foreigners have it easier because that's not possible anymore. It mostly depends on your priorities here, what situation you prefer. i think trying to build a foreign scene is overall better for the sc2 scene even if it makes it harder for koreans compared to before. Ur logic is hilarious. Koreans had it "easier" before? When it was fair because everyone could compete for all the prize pool? Was there a law that prevented foreigners from going to Korea to practice on KR ? Or would it have just been too "inconvienant" for them? You think the struggling pros in KR would be crying about the inconvienance to go destroy wcs if they werent barred? Give me a fucking break. Building a foreign scene is important. Have we done that? Really? Or have we just glorified mediocrity while shrinking the top level scene? Any non bias fan honestly rather see nerchio heromarine has over inno gumi soo solar byun hero fuck i would give parting and taeja 5 to 1 to make it further at blizzcon. I'll take the 5:1 on Nerchio making it further than PartinG in the next tournament they both play, thanks. Lol - is that a joke poking at the fact that they wont ever play in a tournament together again ? Or you saying you think nerchio is going to look top notch at blizzcon?
im saying that im ready to bet money, on 5:1 to odds, in any tournament, offline or online, the both aforementioned player play in.
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wow we just gotta tell parting and he wont disappoint
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On October 07 2018 23:11 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2018 23:06 DomeGetta wrote:On October 07 2018 23:03 Ej_ wrote:On October 07 2018 23:01 DomeGetta wrote:On October 07 2018 03:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 07 2018 01:09 DomeGetta wrote:On October 06 2018 23:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 06 2018 23:36 Rodya wrote:
Blizzard will never remove region lock because they're in love with the tier 3/tier 4 foreigner players. That's why they asked them for balancing advice and not the Koreans. Overrating players is the natural result of region lock by the way. Look at LoL: how many times in the games history have we had insane hype of a NA or EU player/team? Every single year we have multiple, because of region lock. NA team dominates region and then people start thinking they're as good as SKT.
At least in LoL that nonsense has died down but that's because their new players aren't getting involved in esports. In SC2 we have tons of noobs paying attention to WCS and offerring up their opinion. That is the cause of the Serral hype. Serral is a great player (the only foreigner who has hope), but these power rankings purport to be based on tournament results, and they aren't. I like that you already showed why region lock is such a great idea, what you picture negatively (overhyping of worse players than koreans) just shows that the system works. People getting excited about foreign players, building fans who are into watching wcs and the players competing there. That's exactly the purpose of region locking, offering a product to more casual viewers and/or people who want to cheer for players who speak their own language or at least english and thus giving the players in these regions a chance to go pro. Ahhh yeah bro very well said.. all that and just a few key points you missed tho.. welfare checks for foreigners while harder working better players in Korea get fucked over by facing all the best players in the world for the same amount of money foreigners who wouldnt even qualify for code S compete with eachother for.. slowing the evolution of the overall level of play for foreigners who only have to be good enough to beat other foreigners vs natural selection etc.. hopefully this repeat stompfest @ blizzcon will be the last time we dont get to see innovation / soO / gumiho / solar in the "world championship" while being treated to good old nerchio / has and heromarine. I specifically talked about the notion he painted negatively, when it is in fact a positive (even though it might be wrong to hype them that hard, but for the scene it's a good thing). It's also not unfair to have specific competition's for a specific circle of players/teams and/or skill levels which then seeds into other competition. I mostly care about the korean scene myself, but doing the step to give foreign players a chance to become pro, give the foreign scene a chance to grow, etc was a good step. People can talk about unfairness as long as they want, no system is completely fair for everybody. Koreans had it easier before, living in the region which was best at developing your skill but still traveling to the other regions and get the prize money there. Now foreigners have it easier because that's not possible anymore. It mostly depends on your priorities here, what situation you prefer. i think trying to build a foreign scene is overall better for the sc2 scene even if it makes it harder for koreans compared to before. Ur logic is hilarious. Koreans had it "easier" before? When it was fair because everyone could compete for all the prize pool? Was there a law that prevented foreigners from going to Korea to practice on KR ? Or would it have just been too "inconvienant" for them? You think the struggling pros in KR would be crying about the inconvienance to go destroy wcs if they werent barred? Give me a fucking break. Building a foreign scene is important. Have we done that? Really? Or have we just glorified mediocrity while shrinking the top level scene? Any non bias fan honestly rather see nerchio heromarine has over inno gumi soo solar byun hero fuck i would give parting and taeja 5 to 1 to make it further at blizzcon. I'll take the 5:1 on Nerchio making it further than PartinG in the next tournament they both play, thanks. Lol - is that a joke poking at the fact that they wont ever play in a tournament together again ? Or you saying you think nerchio is going to look top notch at blizzcon? im saying that im ready to bet money, on 5:1 to odds, in any tournament, offline or online, the both aforementioned player play in.
Ah i see lolo so i said 5 to 1 to make it further at blizzcon..and since parting wont be there thatll be pretty difficult to measure. Tickles me though that one is part of the best the foreign scene has to offer (world championship potential) and the other just barely managed to qualify for competition in Korea and 5 to 1 does seem pretty fair.
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Good ranking overall, Zest should be lower i guess, but overall it s ok
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 07 2018 13:48 fronkschnonk wrote:Neither Gom nor Afreeca ever wanted a region lock for their own tournament ('cause global, you know). They just saw that their tournament gains in popularity when some foreigners qualify - the foreigner-cinderella vs holding-homeground story is interesting for both sides. Thus GSL actually benefits from no region-lock. And guess what? A well-off GSL is good for the korean scene. Show nested quote +region lock is like a reverse robin hood, cause europeans are for sure much better off than koreans in terms of money, let's not even focus on dream land scandinavia. Well, explain that to the polish, ukranian and russian pros...
It's not good for the Korean scene in the long term as there's no new blood. The new blood has to beat old returning pros(e.g. Parting, Taeja), the current Korean pros(selfexplanatory) and then all the foreign thieves who are stealing their job & money. While if a foreigner fails, they still have WCS... What. Does. The. New. Korean. Plaer. Has. ?????
Please, tell me. Where are we growing the Korean scene? Enlighten me!
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