Balance Mod Update Sep 25, 2018 - Page 8

On September 26 2018 05:24 Yonnua wrote:
Well, that's a ridiculous and disappointing set of suggestions.

Protoss is currently lagging statistically behind by more than 10%, and behind zerg by more than 20%. Protoss has won only one Premier tournament all year, and PvZ specifically hasn't statistically fallen in favour of protoss since July 2016.

Meanwhile, Blizzard's priority is more nerfs to protoss, and specifically nerfs to make the game less fun and more difficult to play. The nerf to shield batteries for the sake of avoiding a niche and rare strategy comes at the cost of being able to defend against early aggression anywhere near as easily. The cavalier throwaway lines "this will reduce the number of Corrosive Biles it takes to destroy them from 7 to 5" but it "weaken[s] offensive usage while mostly maintaining their defensive power" shows how shortsighted and poorly thought out these changes are.

There is just no justification for this current line of changes; they can't be called balance changes because they will make the game less balanced.

On October 01 2018 09:31 FrkFrJss wrote:

Right, so we have 2 P wins, 7 Z wins, and 4 T wins. P still has far less tournament wins despite being in practically every final.

Also, the amount of P players in Blizzcon doesn't say much considering the top player in each region has more points than most other players combined. More P players means that of the lower top players, more of them were Protoss

Here's the point spread with Blizzcon race numbers and average points per player.
26,360 T 4 6590
30,330 Z 5 6066
33,770 P 7 4824
So yes, Protoss have more points, but if you look at the average number of points that these three races have per person, overall, Protoss has performed worse.

Last year

30,000 P 3 10,000
31,630 T 5 6,326
41,915 Z 8 5,238

It means that on average, P way outperformed their T and Z counter parts, but only a few did very well. Z overall did well, but they made up a lot of the lower ranks, and T did about average with an average number of points per player and 5 players.

On September 28 2018 07:39 Ben... wrote:

That's what I mean by adjust the hallucinations to compensate. If the hallucinations had shorter durations or something like that they would still be quite useful. Even just long enough to scout the main of an opponent, it would be a massive improvement over what protoss has now, which is basically nothing until either the robo/stargate finishes or a sentry is built and is left to generate 100 energy, all of which are too late to be prepared for a lot of situations, especially proxies.

Also, terran scans are 50 energy so hallucinations become a bit of an equivalent. Spamming hallucination scouts wouldn't be good because each hallucination would sacrifice a forcefield, so it's a trade-off in the same way scans are.

On October 03 2018 02:42 deacon.frost wrote:

We can't compare scan to hallu because scan is unstoppable(and by definition hit or miss). Hallucination takes double the damage and can be countered, because many players send the hallucinations in patterns.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, so comparing those two won't work. And the price was one factor in the history why player scouted by proxy raxing ;-)