StarCraft II Balance Revamp 2018 - Page 14

On September 18 2018 12:59 Malongo wrote:


Somehow I feel like arguing here is pointless. Some players take a privilege (being able to play with certain unit compositions) as granted and as a right. Terran isn´t Protoss, yeah. Are factory units bad as support units? The only real point you make is about weapons and armor upgrades, wich are -again- a privilege.

In the end, it is never really about "mech", but about playing turtle with siege tank defence. I am pretty confident that even if somehow blizzard took the siege tank out of the equation (by replacing it with an equally good "mech" attacking unit) terran players would still complain because they want to emulate the siege tank-vulture-mine-turret combo from BW.

On September 19 2018 20:22 JackONeill wrote:


It's not a "privilege" to be able to play a composition that your race is organically designed to support. If zerg were only able to play lings banes mutas in every matchup because ranged compositions were absolutely horrible, it'd be a massive design flaw. Btw ZvP has big design flaws : compositions are pretty much always the same because both races have insanely hard counters to the opponent's units (viper vs colossi or immortals vs ultras for instance).
Factory units (or starport units for that matter) aren't designed or supposed to just be support units, or else, as i stated, every single terran unit but MMM, tanks, liberators and arguably ghosts would be extraordinarily tightly time framed and mostly built only once or twice.

Anyway maybe it's indeed pointless to argue because you just revealed that you're actually not arguing the point, but instead trying to invalidate a somewhat imaginary playstyle that you dislike. Mech isn't necessarily about tank turtling, it's about playing without stim and with factory units. Stating things like "terran would still complain if" also illustrates pretty well your true aim here, which is indeed not worth debating.

On September 22 2018 05:02 hiroshOne wrote:
"I think Terran should have a fusion core upgrade for Vikings that makes them immune to air dmg."

LOL, just LOL...

On September 22 2018 15:59 hiroshOne wrote:
But even if we're talking about "immune to aoe air dmg" it still soubds stupid. Imagine giving Zerg lategame upgrade that makes Hydras immune to aoe ground dmg. U make vikings uncounterable in this way. Still not wise.

On September 18 2018 03:11 Jerom wrote:
I wouldnt say swarmhosts are a balance problem as many top players have shown how to beat them and I dont even think they are meta at the pro scene because they arent actually the best response.

Swarmhosts are just crappy from design perspective. Either you have a critical mass where you are getting in free damage every round or your waves get cleaned up easily and thus you will probably lose to a counterpush. The design of the unit allows for very little space in between and also doesnt really allow for much counterplay (either you push or you accept taking small losses to push a bit later). It just doesnt seem like a good design to have these low risk waves of units that are so extreme in terms of how they work out. In terms of actually salvaging them I like the suggestion someone posted about making them light so Helions counter them and can change them down. At least that would make them more interactive. Although I dont mind swarmhosts in general because they fortunately tend to be pretty mediocre anyways - if only they could be made even worse or be removed from the game. At least the redesign from hots to lotv made them less oppressive.

I honestly might dislike the design of broodlords a bit more because they are actually good. The fact that at any sort of mass of broodlords the free broodlings block all pathing just make them a very oppressive unit. It just means that any ground army is basically useless unless used defensively or as support. It generally seems to force the game into either turtling or into air deathball vs air deathball - two states of the game which generally seem unfun. The fact that corruptors/vipers are great in mass air vs mass air contributes even further to these annoying air fights. Air units are clunky to control because of both their stacking and the fact that you have to click where they go on the ground (instead of on the air). I feel like its better if armies generally stay ground based.

Maybe the broodlords would be a better unit if they spawned fewer broodlings (but generally keeping the dps the same). This way ground units might actually stand a chance versus broodlords.

On September 23 2018 06:58 Morbidius wrote:

Broodlords are a huge design problem in my opinion, its the only unit that absolutely forces you to go air to deal with them. Due to that Zerg anti air has to be weaker than Terran or protoss, because the moment zerg has decent anti air options brood lords become absolutely broken.

On September 23 2018 23:36 Charoisaur wrote:

Carriers/Liberators?

On September 24 2018 02:35 Aunvilgodess wrote:
All these chobos just gotta play like Maru. rolling eyes smiley.