EPTi don't know what are they still trying to prove at this point tbh...they should've STFU'd since neeb 4-0'd trap
The gap has closed between foreigners and Korea - Page 7
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seemsgood
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i don't know what are they still trying to prove at this point tbh...they should've STFU'd since neeb 4-0'd trap | ||
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Jakamaton
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On November 04 2018 11:33 Jakamaton wrote: The gap is widening between Serral and korea. Uthermal: Korean Zergs are getting better, they are about JonSnow level  | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Top foreigners may not be as good as the cream of the crop in Korea, but they're right behind that. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
 2018 Has Left the Game/Korea | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On December 03 2018 09:37 Shuffleblade wrote: I believe the earlier result today is highly interesting to this discussion. Ptitdrogo topping a group with Solar, Fantasy, Zest and Gumiho. Sure the new patch is a factor to consider but the sheer insanity of that result is just baffling. The more games I see the more I tend to agree, foreigners are caught up. https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2018_Has_Left_the_Game/Korea There are a couple things to consider, like the tournament being online and also during the break, which is where people tend not to practice as much. In general, online tournaments don't have as much weight as offline tournaments. However, I would generally agree with this sentiment. Sure, top Koreans are still better than non-Serral top foreigners, but all around, you have so many more foreigners playing quite competitive games with their Korean counterparts. Before, it was almost a given that practically any decent Korean would be pretty much any foreigner, but now, you take Neeb against any non-Dark/Maru/Stats opponent, and I think he gives the Korean a run for their money. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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RealEarlGamer
13 Posts
On August 30 2018 13:31 xelnaga_empire wrote: But the opposite is true. When foreigners perform better, the viewership has gone up. Viewership for WCS Valencia and GSL vs the World have been off the charts compared to previous years. This belief that SC2 has to have a thriving scene in Korea is nonsense. Other successful games out there don't require a single country to keep the popularity of the game up. What matters is total viewership. SC2 always had poor Korean viewership. If foreigners take over the SC2 scene, it may possibly lead to higher SC2 viewership numbers overall. And lower quality games, fuck yeah. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
On December 04 2018 07:54 RealEarlGamer wrote: And lower quality games, fuck yeah. Not necessarily lower quality games, Serral is playing at possibly the highest zerg level we have every seen in sc2, | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On December 04 2018 07:54 RealEarlGamer wrote: And lower quality games, fuck yeah. Serral vs Reynor at Valentia (i think it was there) finals was much better than any GSL Code S final this year. So I don't know about that quality... | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On December 04 2018 15:06 IshinShishi wrote: honestly there are too many foreigners "improving fast" for it to be believable, serral/scarlett/drogo etc., I mean look at Special, he wasnt good enough to take even a single game in proleague, now he is one of the very best players out there, to me everything points to koreans getting worse because of the lack of incentive to play sc2. There's no doubt that the Korean scene is getting worse, and it's debatable the extent that region lock has on it as opposed to the Life scandals, the Prime scandals, Sbenu, or proleague closing down. I think part of it is the fact that foreigners are better able to spend time in Korea without being financial drained thanks to Project Unity and NoRegreT. Special and TY are pretty good friends and even train together a lot, so it's not surprising that Special would be good. The thing is, all the top foreigners have been around for a long time. Neeb and Serral might not have been as good, but they were around during HotS. Meanwhile, the others, like Special and Scarlett, have been around for ages. I think what we're seeing is what happens when pros can have their own competitive space and can train without having to worry as much about the financial burden. I don't think it can be understated how having a region locked space can help a scene develop its own competitive meta. However, the top of the Korean scene is still the top of the Korean scene, and if you're up there, you can make thousands and thousands of dollars, so I feel that if motivation is a problem, it's due less to the region lock and more to intrinsic motivation. Players only have themselves for motivation as opposed to their teams, so they're in the same boat as the foreigners. If you're at the top of the Korean scene, then I feel that motivation is on you and not on anyone else. If you're on top, you have the three GSLs, IEM Katowice, Blizzcon, WESG, and potentially some smaller tournaments inbetween. When you have the same number of tournaments as Serral, and motivation is the problem, that's not region lock's fault; that's the player's fault. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On December 03 2018 15:24 RealityTheGreat wrote: Only for Serral uthermal Major ShowTime Neeb scarlett Ppl seem to forget Reynor :/ Not necessarily lower quality games, Serral is playing at possibly the highest zerg level we have every seen in sc2, I know that some pro really hyped serral level of play like this but come on, Taeja just proved how wrong it was. He is amazing but that's not the hightest skill area, even for zerg gameplay. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On December 04 2018 16:33 FrkFrJss wrote: There's no doubt that the Korean scene is getting worse, and it's debatable the extent that region lock has on it as opposed to the Life scandals, the Prime scandals, Sbenu, or proleague closing down. I think part of it is the fact that foreigners are better able to spend time in Korea without being financial drained thanks to Project Unity and NoRegreT. Special and TY are pretty good friends and even train together a lot, so it's not surprising that Special would be good. The thing is, all the top foreigners have been around for a long time. Neeb and Serral might not have been as good, but they were around during HotS. Meanwhile, the others, like Special and Scarlett, have been around for ages. I think what we're seeing is what happens when pros can have their own competitive space and can train without having to worry as much about the financial burden. I don't think it can be understated how having a region locked space can help a scene develop its own competitive meta. However, the top of the Korean scene is still the top of the Korean scene, and if you're up there, you can make thousands and thousands of dollars, so I feel that if motivation is a problem, it's due less to the region lock and more to intrinsic motivation. Players only have themselves for motivation as opposed to their teams, so they're in the same boat as the foreigners. If you're at the top of the Korean scene, then I feel that motivation is on you and not on anyone else. If you're on top, you have the three GSLs, IEM Katowice, Blizzcon, WESG, and potentially some smaller tournaments inbetween. When you have the same number of tournaments as Serral, and motivation is the problem, that's not region lock's fault; that's the player's fault. Well, I think the whole Korean team house system was a bit fucked up to be honest. It was great for creating amazing StarCraft players, but I think it handicapped them in terms of their development and future prospects. Many players joined from an very young age, some not even finishing secondary school. This in a society where most students spend ridiculous hours studying or in cram schools to prepare for the extremely competitive university entrance exams. There's intense pressure to do well in school; 70% of Koreans go to university, and virtually all complete some form of post-secondary education. With the rapid collapse of the scene over the past couple years and military service looming as well, it's easy to see why many of them would be looking past SC2. I recall Dark recently mentioned in his stream that after years of practicing for obscene hours, he did not find SC fun. I suspect trying to go back to school at this point would be extremely challenging in the Korean system relative to the West, and I wonder if many players continue in part because the alternatives aren't so great. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
1. Region Lock. 2. Letting the game become FTP. 3. Yearly design patches keeping the game fresh. 4. Co-op. Bad things done by Blizzard 1. Letting BroodLord/Infestor dominate for too long. 2. Letting Carriers be OP in team games for too long. 3. Not acting fast enough when hacking becomes more widespread. 4. Thinking making the Tempest superfast and keeping it at 15 range would be a good idea. Region Lock and FTP are the best things Blizzard has ever done for the game. Region Lock may be slightly damaging to Korea but since it improved SC2 in the rest of the world it is a small price to pay. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
because i played team games back before this recent change and i can think of 4 solutions off the top. 1. punish new bases 2. taking your own bases 3. mixing in air, all you need to do is kill the carriers once. 4. encompassing all of the above, scouting. the units are pretty trivial when you know they are coming and you know how to deal with phoenixes as a team. | ||
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