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New Inject method Found? kinda but faster?

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SayuriTenshi
Profile Joined May 2018
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 18:55:17
May 24 2018 00:51 GMT
#1
So i was brainstorming about Injects, their consistentsy and the rapid fire technique did bring up a new idea in me.

First u need all Inject Queens in a Group and Select them and put ur Mouse in the middle of ur screen.
[<] is used as Base Camara key to cycle through the hatches.
[y] is used for the Inject selection
[x] is used to click on the hatch

So u select Queens press <yx<yx<yx<yx<yx<yx<yx and u got 7 hatches injected
U can do that in 1 second if u got it down fast.
Essentially i use 3 fingers of my left hand and tab on the keyboard in a way u do when you are waiting and start tapping ur fingers.
This makes it a lot faster then to click with the mouse

If u think this may be a valid and fast method i can go into more detail why i use this spesific keys and how u can do this without !@#$ing up the hotkeys

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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 01:13:34
May 24 2018 01:12 GMT
#2
Edit: Nevermind, misread.
SayuriTenshi
Profile Joined May 2018
6 Posts
May 24 2018 01:15 GMT
#3
i would still appreciate opinions ^^
terran4lyfe
Profile Joined December 2013
United States72 Posts
May 24 2018 01:22 GMT
#4
A little late to the party.
glhf
SayuriTenshi
Profile Joined May 2018
6 Posts
May 24 2018 01:25 GMT
#5
i know about rapid fire but its hard to do and inconsistent thats why i did bring it up in the first line
IMSupervisor
Profile Joined June 2016
Australia138 Posts
May 24 2018 04:05 GMT
#6
On May 24 2018 09:51 SayuriTenshi wrote:
So i was brainstorming about Injects, their consistentsy and the rapid fire technique did bring up a new idea in me.

First u need all Inject Queens in a Group and Select them and put ur Mouse in the middle of ur screen.
[<] is used as Base Camara key to cycle through the hatches.
[y] is used for the Inject selection
[x] is used to click on the hatch

So u select Queens press <yx<yx<yx<yx<yx<yx<yx and u got 7 hatches injected
U can do that in 1 second if u got it down fast.
Essentially i use 3 fingers of my left hand and tab on the keyboard in a way u do when you are waiting and start tapping ur fingers.
This makes it a lot faster then to click with the mouse

If u think this may be a valid and fast method i can go into more detail why i use this spesific keys and how u can do this without !@#$ing up the hotkeys


What happens when one of your queens dies though, or doesn't have enough energy to inject while others do? Seems like there are prerequisites necessary to have this be worth the time, and getting it setup correctly and maintaining it for use may be more effort than it's worth when you need to start multitasking. Using hotkeys for camera locations seems like a much better way to be in control of what's happening while also giving you time to check saturation levels etc
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
May 24 2018 04:39 GMT
#7
these 3 hotkeys are like on the 3 opposite sides of the keyboard almost like a Triangle lol
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
May 24 2018 05:14 GMT
#8
On May 24 2018 13:39 GGzerG wrote:
these 3 hotkeys are like on the 3 opposite sides of the keyboard almost like a Triangle lol


< is next to left shift on superior scandinavian keyboards
Have a nice day ;)
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
May 24 2018 05:28 GMT
#9
On May 24 2018 14:14 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2018 13:39 GGzerG wrote:
these 3 hotkeys are like on the 3 opposite sides of the keyboard almost like a Triangle lol


< is next to left shift on superior scandinavian keyboards

Oh really, good to know =P

I don't think at this point you'll find that a faster inject method is going to make any form of significant change.
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LHK
Profile Joined May 2015
204 Posts
May 24 2018 05:36 GMT
#10
This has been a thing for a long, long time. It just stopped being as useful in LOTV because queens will walk around awkwardly to other hatcheries because you can queue up multiple's on the same hatchery, so if you do it too fast things can get chaotic.

Also, you don't have to bind inject to a seperate hotkey from your "left click" keyboard press. My rapid fire or left-click is F, and my inject is F.
-Laura
SayuriTenshi
Profile Joined May 2018
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 10:24:09
May 24 2018 09:10 GMT
#11
On May 24 2018 14:36 LHK wrote:
This has been a thing for a long, long time. It just stopped being as useful in LOTV because queens will walk around awkwardly to other hatcheries because you can queue up multiple's on the same hatchery, so if you do it too fast things can get chaotic.

Also, you don't have to bind inject to a seperate hotkey from your "left click" keyboard press. My rapid fire or left-click is F, and my inject is F.


Okay i try to go more into detail.

So without the use of shift or Holding down the basecamera key u dont get queen wondering from queing inject. One round of the tap moition <yx is one base. If u know how many bases u got and do it lets say 4 times for 4 bases in a fast motion.

My inject key is y and i could also bind the click on it But its slower and harder to do <yy<yy<yy then <yx<yx<yx

U only get wanering queens when
A. A queen has no energy
B. U inject a hatch with no nerby quueen.

But cuz u can use this technique slower when u know there is a queen dead u can skip a base by typing <yx<<yx
In this case i would skip the natural.

the work u need to do before is pretty much the same as woth camara locations. I dont say u shouldnt use the camera locations method but i knew many people who used the backspace+shift method and were good woth it. But its not rly possible anymore in lotv. I personaly dont like the camera method

So mb someone who liked the old backspace method wants to try this one
kaby
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation195 Posts
May 24 2018 10:30 GMT
#12
I'm using it since the Wings of Liberty beta and still think it's the best way. Nice that you came to it too.
gronnelg
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway354 Posts
May 24 2018 12:15 GMT
#13
This was known as the backspace method back in the days.
It's prone to the wandering Queen problem, if you have an unequal number of Queens and hatcheries. E.g. if you have 3 Queens and 4 hatcheries then Queen number #1 will start wandering over to hatchery #4, as you Reach the end of the inject cycle.
In my experience it works fine up until about the late midgame. But then as as you start getting macro hatches, or inject Queens get picked off by drops and the like, the system kind of collapses.
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okright
Profile Joined February 2018
47 Posts
May 24 2018 12:21 GMT
#14
SayuriTenshi, could you make a short video using OBS recording software, dekstop screen caputure mode, with microphone explaining how exactly you do it ?
Create channel on youtube using email in couple of minutes, click upload make the video public and publish the link here.
SayuriTenshi
Profile Joined May 2018
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 13:23:47
May 24 2018 13:19 GMT
#15
On May 24 2018 21:15 gronnelg wrote:
This was known as the backspace method back in the days.
It's prone to the wandering Queen problem, if you have an unequal number of Queens and hatcheries. E.g. if you have 3 Queens and 4 hatcheries then Queen number #1 will start wandering over to hatchery #4, as you Reach the end of the inject cycle.
In my experience it works fine up until about the late midgame. But then as as you start getting macro hatches, or inject Queens get picked off by drops and the like, the system kind of collapses.


No this works eaven if u have 4 hatches and 3 queens without wandering as long as i dont overcycle
The reason is cuz no shift is involved and qeens take the nearest hatch.The other reason is queen #1 is still in the animation when u click hatch #4. They only run if the last hatch when u got over 7 has no queen but then u can prees hold and u still got all hatches with queens injected.

But i can also go slower and check if i got a queen at each base when i cycle and just skip the ones without a queen. yes this is slower but still faster then boxing.

On May 24 2018 21:21 okright wrote:
SayuriTenshi, could you make a short video using OBS recording software, dekstop screen caputure mode, with microphone explaining how exactly you do it ?
Create channel on youtube using email in couple of minutes, click upload make the video public and publish the link here.


If there is rly demand for that ofc i can do that i just wanted to post it beforehand and check
SayuriTenshi
Profile Joined May 2018
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 13:23:01
May 24 2018 13:22 GMT
#16

okright
Profile Joined February 2018
47 Posts
May 24 2018 14:07 GMT
#17
On May 24 2018 22:19 SayuriTenshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2018 21:15 gronnelg wrote:
This was known as the backspace method back in the days.
It's prone to the wandering Queen problem, if you have an unequal number of Queens and hatcheries. E.g. if you have 3 Queens and 4 hatcheries then Queen number #1 will start wandering over to hatchery #4, as you Reach the end of the inject cycle.
In my experience it works fine up until about the late midgame. But then as as you start getting macro hatches, or inject Queens get picked off by drops and the like, the system kind of collapses.


No this works eaven if u have 4 hatches and 3 queens without wandering as long as i dont overcycle
The reason is cuz no shift is involved and qeens take the nearest hatch.The other reason is queen #1 is still in the animation when u click hatch #4. They only run if the last hatch when u got over 7 has no queen but then u can prees hold and u still got all hatches with queens injected.

But i can also go slower and check if i got a queen at each base when i cycle and just skip the ones without a queen. yes this is slower but still faster then boxing.

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2018 21:21 okright wrote:
SayuriTenshi, could you make a short video using OBS recording software, dekstop screen caputure mode, with microphone explaining how exactly you do it ?
Create channel on youtube using email in couple of minutes, click upload make the video public and publish the link here.


If there is rly demand for that ofc i can do that i just wanted to post it beforehand and check


To check the demand, you could create a poll using forum post options, asking about the video.
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
May 24 2018 16:45 GMT
#18
Add a poll, OP
runn3r5uk
Profile Joined April 2018
13 Posts
May 24 2018 16:52 GMT
#19
i hot key my main 4 bases to 5 6 7 8 and then a queen, been doing it for 10 years, serves as a location key as well
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