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On February 09 2018 10:08 Kafka777 wrote:
Korea gets more spots by default. That is the truth and now way around it. Whatever you argue that's how the qualifiers are set. Obviously they have more chance to win. But they will not.
Did you read anything that the guy above you said?
The qualifier system is as fair as it can be. Koreans don't have it easier. Repeating the opposite without any arguments doesn't make your opinion true.
But... you are the guy that said koreans will have trouble keeping their GSL trophies this year so I shouldn't expect too much.
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Is Kafka777 the foreign usopsama?
Pretty hyped for this tournament, looking forward to soOs victory!
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Korea gets more spots by default. That is the truth and now way around it. Whatever you argue that's how the qualifiers are set. Obviously they have more chance to win. But they will not.
Seems like this too hyped foreign fan boi still doesn't get the meaning of 'region lock'
But sorry snowflake, since every single players in the world can participate all 3 servers (NA/EU/ASIA), it is absolutely fair to every pros in the world. If they can't qualify, then that means they are simply not good enough and that's all.
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On February 09 2018 08:18 Musicus wrote:
I think you are overreacting though, just ignore the stuff you don't like, it will end soon enough.
Ah yess the good old "well have you tried not being annoyed by the things that you find annoying, even though they happen to be pushed in your face constantly on some of the websites and communities that you like to peruse"?
Good idea, how did I never think of that. I'll just not be annoyed by things that annoy me. Thanks Musicus!
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hard to call it but I remember how bad the foreigners played at Katowice last year
Korean seems to prepare really hard for Katowice because of its prestige and prize pool
and since our last two champions in 2018 are zerg, I hope foreigners could clear up the path for soO to win it 
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Did you read anything that the guy above you said?
The qualifier system is as fair as it can be. Koreans don't have it easier. Repeating the opposite without any arguments doesn't make your opinion true.
But... you are the guy that said koreans will have trouble keeping their GSL trophies this year so I shouldn't expect too much.
I read what he wrote and the same argument was used earlier in this thread. I wish you and him would also read as the answer was already provided earlier. There were 2 qualifiers for Korean players on the Korean server. The qualifiers on NA was made during travel time to WCS Leipzig (eg. Neeb) and in the middle of the night for EU and essentially also travel time to WCS Leipzig (Elazer managed to get a spot but didn't get any sleep before arriving in Leipzig). In this way Koreans were almost guaranteed 7-9 spots in final rounds.
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At a guess, I'd say Ro12 is as far as the foreigners get, maybe Ro8 if they have good bracket luck.
Who knows though.
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On February 10 2018 01:26 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +Did you read anything that the guy above you said?
The qualifier system is as fair as it can be. Koreans don't have it easier. Repeating the opposite without any arguments doesn't make your opinion true.
But... you are the guy that said koreans will have trouble keeping their GSL trophies this year so I shouldn't expect too much. I read what he wrote and the same argument was used earlier in this thread. I wish you and him would also read as the answer was already provided earlier. There were 2 qualifiers for Korean players on the Korean server. The qualifiers on NA was made during travel time to WCS Leipzig (eg. Neeb) and in the middle of the night for EU and essentially also travel time to WCS Leipzig (Elazer managed to get a spot but didn't get any sleep before arriving in Leipzig). In this way Koreans were almost guaranteed 7-9 spots in final rounds.
Katowice is one of the only tournamants we have were everyone has a good chance. Stop trying to create the narrative that koreans were handed more places so when foreigners get destroyed you can have an excuse.
Every player had the chance to qualify via at least 2-3 of the servers. Some times given were inconvienient because of wcs, but most foreigners still tried every time, so stop acting like it was impossible for them to.
-NA based players had a decent chance on any of the 4 server qualifiers. The sceduling of one those was awkward sure, but they still had access to the rest
-EU based players were fine on 2/4 server qualifiers (EU/NA), but they also have easy access to the open bracket (which is over half the tournament and already dominated by european playes if you didn't already know).
-KR based players had access to 3 of the server qualifiers (KR/NA) and the open bracket if they're willing to pay a lot of money to go
edit: and you think it's impossible for foreigners to win the korean qualifiers? You realise that's because they aren't good enough right? Most of them live in either korea or the americas there's no time or ping issue
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On February 10 2018 02:25 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2018 01:26 Kafka777 wrote:Did you read anything that the guy above you said?
The qualifier system is as fair as it can be. Koreans don't have it easier. Repeating the opposite without any arguments doesn't make your opinion true.
But... you are the guy that said koreans will have trouble keeping their GSL trophies this year so I shouldn't expect too much. I read what he wrote and the same argument was used earlier in this thread. I wish you and him would also read as the answer was already provided earlier. There were 2 qualifiers for Korean players on the Korean server. The qualifiers on NA was made during travel time to WCS Leipzig (eg. Neeb) and in the middle of the night for EU and essentially also travel time to WCS Leipzig (Elazer managed to get a spot but didn't get any sleep before arriving in Leipzig). In this way Koreans were almost guaranteed 7-9 spots in final rounds. Katowice is one of the only tournamants we have were everyone has a good chance. Stop trying to create the narrative that koreans were handed more places so when foreigners get destroyed you can have an excuse. Every player had the chance to qualify via at least 2-3 of the servers. Some times given were inconvienient because of wcs, but most foreigners still tried every time, so stop acting like it was impossible for them to. -NA based players had a decent chance on any of the 4 server qualifiers. The sceduling of one those was awkward sure, but they still had access to the rest -EU based players were fine on 2/4 server qualifiers (EU/NA), but they also have easy access to the open bracket (which is over half the tournament and already dominated by european playes if you didn't already know). -KR based players had access to 3 of the server qualifiers (KR/NA) and the open bracket if they're willing to pay a lot of money to go edit: and you think it's impossible for foreigners to win the korean qualifiers? You realise that's because they aren't good enough right? Most of them live in either korea or the americas there's no time or ping issue
3 slots for the European server qualifier. -> Optimal for EU players
3 slots for the American server qualifier. -> Optimal for NA players
5 slots for the Korean server qualifiers (3 + 2). -> Optimal for KR players
It really is that easy. Count to 3 and then count to 5. Use your fingers if you have to. Please stop any silly efforts of trying to say that 5 = 3, it creates unnecessary migraine.
 IEM Season XII - World Championship/Server Qualifiers
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On February 10 2018 03:31 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2018 02:25 Fango wrote:On February 10 2018 01:26 Kafka777 wrote:Did you read anything that the guy above you said?
The qualifier system is as fair as it can be. Koreans don't have it easier. Repeating the opposite without any arguments doesn't make your opinion true.
But... you are the guy that said koreans will have trouble keeping their GSL trophies this year so I shouldn't expect too much. I read what he wrote and the same argument was used earlier in this thread. I wish you and him would also read as the answer was already provided earlier. There were 2 qualifiers for Korean players on the Korean server. The qualifiers on NA was made during travel time to WCS Leipzig (eg. Neeb) and in the middle of the night for EU and essentially also travel time to WCS Leipzig (Elazer managed to get a spot but didn't get any sleep before arriving in Leipzig). In this way Koreans were almost guaranteed 7-9 spots in final rounds. Katowice is one of the only tournamants we have were everyone has a good chance. Stop trying to create the narrative that koreans were handed more places so when foreigners get destroyed you can have an excuse. Every player had the chance to qualify via at least 2-3 of the servers. Some times given were inconvienient because of wcs, but most foreigners still tried every time, so stop acting like it was impossible for them to. -NA based players had a decent chance on any of the 4 server qualifiers. The sceduling of one those was awkward sure, but they still had access to the rest -EU based players were fine on 2/4 server qualifiers (EU/NA), but they also have easy access to the open bracket (which is over half the tournament and already dominated by european playes if you didn't already know). -KR based players had access to 3 of the server qualifiers (KR/NA) and the open bracket if they're willing to pay a lot of money to go edit: and you think it's impossible for foreigners to win the korean qualifiers? You realise that's because they aren't good enough right? Most of them live in either korea or the americas there's no time or ping issue 3 slots for the European server qualifier. -> Optimal for EU players 3 slots for the American server qualifier. -> Optimal for NA players 5 slots for the Korean server qualifiers (3 + 2). -> Optimal for KR players It really is that easy. Count to 3 and then count to 5. Use your fingers if you have to. Please stop any silly efforts of trying to say that 5 = 3, it creates unnecessary migraine. IEM Season XII - World Championship/Server Qualifiers
You realise the discussion isn't NA vs EU vs KR right? It's about balance between the two regions of foreign and korean. If you're talking about supposed "optimal play", it's 5 spots against 6. So by your own flawed reasoning, the foreigners get it better.
And when I say your reasoning is flawed, it's because you don't take into account the qualifiers were open. NA players can play reasonably well on any server. KR and EU players are also fine on NA. And half the top foreigners live in korea or americas anyway.
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On February 09 2018 13:42 Diabolique wrote:OMG the open brackets are incredible!
Holy shit you aren't wrong!.
OP: Would be nice if the foreign players in form can show that they are no flash in the pan, or those waiting in wings will make a good showing but as a long time SC2 fan I've known from experience that it's rarely the case when Koreans and Koreingers are in the mix.
Will be a good spectacle just the same.
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You realise the discussion isn't NA vs EU vs KR right? It's about balance between the two regions of foreign and korean. If you're talking about supposed "optimal play", it's 5 spots against 6. So by your own flawed reasoning, the foreigners get it better.
And when I say your reasoning is flawed, it's because you don't take into account the qualifiers were open. NA players can play reasonably well on any server. KR and EU players are also fine on NA. And half the top foreigners live in korea or americas anyway.
The reasoning is - Koreans were given 6 spots by default - 5 (ping)+1 invitation. Then they were given an extra 2-3 spots by organizing NA qualifiers at a time that no WCS players could play. Is this clear enough?
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On February 10 2018 10:12 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +
You realise the discussion isn't NA vs EU vs KR right? It's about balance between the two regions of foreign and korean. If you're talking about supposed "optimal play", it's 5 spots against 6. So by your own flawed reasoning, the foreigners get it better.
And when I say your reasoning is flawed, it's because you don't take into account the qualifiers were open. NA players can play reasonably well on any server. KR and EU players are also fine on NA. And half the top foreigners live in korea or americas anyway.
The reasoning is - Koreans were given 6 spots by default - 5 (ping)+1 invitation. Then they were given an extra 2-3 spots by organizing NA qualifiers at a time that no WCS players could play. Is this clear enough?
You still don't understand how open qualifiers work. There was no region locking. Koreans weren't given 5 spots default. Foreigners were welcome to play in the 2 KR server qualifiers as well, and most of them could play in the NA one, and even the EU one. Every player had good access to at least 2-3 of the qualifiers.
You're just making early excuses for when foreigners fall short at the event. Considering you're delusional enough to think foreigners will win GSL this year, that's not suprising.
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You realise the discussion isn't NA vs EU vs KR right? It's about balance between the two regions of foreign and korean. If you're talking about supposed "optimal play", it's 5 spots against 6. So by your own flawed reasoning, the foreigners get it better.
And when I say your reasoning is flawed, it's because you don't take into account the qualifiers were open. NA players can play reasonably well on any server. KR and EU players are also fine on NA. And half the top foreigners live in korea or americas anyway.
In theory you are right. But the reality is you are completely wrong. Ping causes that Korean qualifiers may be open to 2-3 foreigners at most who are there at the given time. EU qualifiers indeed favour foreigners and they got their 3 spots. However NA qualiifiers were organized directly before Leipzig WCS and the WCS players could not realistically play due to travel considerations. It is nothing less than a miracle that Elazer got a spot.
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On February 10 2018 11:01 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +
You realise the discussion isn't NA vs EU vs KR right? It's about balance between the two regions of foreign and korean. If you're talking about supposed "optimal play", it's 5 spots against 6. So by your own flawed reasoning, the foreigners get it better.
And when I say your reasoning is flawed, it's because you don't take into account the qualifiers were open. NA players can play reasonably well on any server. KR and EU players are also fine on NA. And half the top foreigners live in korea or americas anyway.
In theory you are right. But the reality is you are completely wrong. Ping causes that Korean qualifiers may be open to 2-3 foreigners at most who are there at the given time. EU qualifiers indeed favour foreigners and they got their 3 spots. However NA qualiifiers were organized directly before Leipzig WCS and the WCS players could not realistically play due to travel considerations. It is nothing less than a miracle that Elazer got a spot.
you are just straight up wrong, will be fun after katowice when the koreans dumpster foreigners as usual
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you are just straight up wrong, will be fun after katowice when the koreans dumpster foreigners as usual
You might be right that they will win, but they were given an unfair advantage in the first place. I will still believe non-korean players will win disregarding the odds.
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On February 10 2018 11:16 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +you are just straight up wrong, will be fun after katowice when the koreans dumpster foreigners as usual You might be right that they will win, but they were given an unfair advantage in the first place. I will still believe non-korean players will win disregarding the odds.
You are possibly the most delusional and ignorant user on this site. Foreigners will get stomped in literally the fairest event of the year and you will claim it's because of them getting "extra spots" in an open fucking qualifier. Beyond stupid
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You might be right that they will win, but they were given an unfair advantage in the first place. I will still believe non-korean players will win disregarding the odds.
You are so right snowflake. And that's why during 5 years, foreigners won only 2 premier offline tournaments(Neeb, Scarlett) against Koreans after Kespa era.
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You might be right that they will win, but they were given an unfair advantage in the first place. I will still believe non-korean players will win disregarding the odds.
And especially during nations war, it was really unfair for koreans to play with much worse ping to play in central NA server vs EU/NA teams. And their time was 4AM-7AM. And still KR managed to win the Nations War despite of disadvantage.
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The one western tournament where koreans aren't banned and people are complaining that they were given an unfair advantage due to the open qualifiers, seriously?
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