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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2018-01-24 22:11:57
January 24 2018 22:10 GMT
#21
On January 25 2018 04:44 jy_9876543210 wrote:
So here comes the question:
Who had won 10 premier tournaments champions?
I checked top 20 of http://aligulac.com/earnings/ , seems that there're 2. One is Life (10), the other is Taeja (11). MVP and MMA has 9, Polt has 8. But they don't play anymore. INnoVation has 8, so he has the best chance to break the record.

Yes, Taeja has the most premier tournament trophies, followed by Life.

But of course, not all premier tournaments are created equal. Korean Starleagues are given more weight and GSL the most of all, which is why Mvp and Inno (who have each won 4 GSLs) are typically given the most emphasis when people talk about the GOAT.

Life won 2 GSLs and Taeja 0 GSLs, by comparison, which is why Taeja rarely comes up in GOAT discussions (but don't tell stuchiu that).
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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
January 25 2018 00:34 GMT
#22
I wasn't around during the Mvp era, but he won them in a short span compared to inno right? Maybe it's not having witnessed his reign, but I'm left feeling a bit cheated since he played during a time when there were many more titles, so if you had a hot streak you would have many more titles

Seems to be an unpopular opinion so I'm curious why I don't feel the same awe that veterans do of Mvp's play, do educate me please! Sincerely!
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Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
January 25 2018 12:46 GMT
#23
really nice article! dark is still a few years younger than guys like inno, rain, stats and soO, so maybe with a little more maturity in his overall play and approach to tournaments / series' he can become the champion he aspires to be.

like inno said in his WCS signature series, he used to obsess about his career accomplishments in the past too, but now he has let go of that and just focuses on playing his best.

On January 24 2018 04:31 pvsnp wrote:
Dark even said himself in the pregame interview that Inno was strong but predictable, and Inno exploited Dark's perception of him.


i think youre taking those interviews too seriously, everyone says that about inno^^ that doesnt mean that they actually just play the series with that mindset, especially as dark deflected innos aggressive plays.

Inno and Dark are very evenly matched. Just watch their series at IEM Gyeonggi, or the one from IEM Katowice, or from SSL. As Tastosis said during the broadcast, Inno was just barely able to tip the balance in his favor at the critical moments.


yes and exactly that tiny tip of the balance is all that matters at that level. thats exactly what the article says; dark is an excellent lategame player, but inno was just the critical bit better (that day).

On January 25 2018 09:34 yubo56 wrote:
I wasn't around during the Mvp era, but he won them in a short span compared to inno right? Maybe it's not having witnessed his reign, but I'm left feeling a bit cheated since he played during a time when there were many more titles, so if you had a hot streak you would have many more titles


i mean yeah, there were alone 9 GSL tournaments in 2011 :D thats about the same number between innos first gsl win and his last.

Seems to be an unpopular opinion so I'm curious why I don't feel the same awe that veterans do of Mvp's play, do educate me please! Sincerely!


well, just because youre on a hot streak doesnt mean that your competition is any weaker and to be that dominant is still very impressive. especially in the BL infestor era where MVP was one of the few players who would actually beat that composition in the lategame with stunning ghost viking play. another thing is (as the article mentions) his intelligence and his reads of his opponents that allow him to for example proxy 2 rax a protoss in game 7 of a GSL finals and thus take the title.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 25 2018 14:46 GMT
#24
While i think it is nice that there are other writers than mizenhauer as well, i didn't like this article too much. Dark is an interesting player to write about but this piece imo lacks focus and rambles a lot. It surely raises some good points but doesn't really expand on them which goes somewhat against the analytical concept it tried to follow. The writing itself is also sloppy here and there (which probably gives me the feeling of it being rather rambly).
I still hope to see more of stuchiu here though, i know he can do better.
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j2digital
Profile Joined January 2018
11 Posts
January 30 2018 23:03 GMT
#25
I'm just waiting for TY or soO to get a GSL win.
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
February 14 2018 15:54 GMT
#26
this is a nice writeup

go Dark!
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