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Team Liquid Map Contest 10

Text byHayl_Storm
Graphics byShiroiusagi
January 16th, 2018 21:59 GMT
New year, new TLMC! We're happy that the TLMC will be continuing into 2018 and are excited to see what you come up with. We also have a pair of changes to ensure this year is bigger and even better than last year.

First of all, we're upping the number of potential entries to six while keeping the two per category cap. Secondly, we're giving the judges the flexibility to reallocate maps to different categories where they would score better (within reason, so don't cheese the rule and submit extra macro maps under aggro).


Submission Phase

January 16 - February 6


Rules/Restrictions:
  • Maps can be submitted to one category only. Maps cannot be submitted to multiple categories.
  • No custom textures or Force Fields.
  • Rocks and collapsible structures use default HP values and cannot be modified.
  • Individual mineral node and vespene geysers have default resource amounts and cannot be modified.
  • No custom data on maps.
  • New: Judges may reassign a map to a more appropriate category.


Suggestions/Concerns:
  • For all categories, when deciding to utilize a gold base, make sure there are some sort of risk associated with them. Otherwise, gold minerals bases with low risk tend to usually favor Zerg over the other races.
  • When using air pathing blockers try to avoid setting up zones that trap air units within them.
  • For the new category, be careful when adjusting the number of resource nodes at bases because it could impact balance between races and/or matchups.
  • During the second phase of the competition, small changes are often times better than large radical changes that dramatically alter the map’s direction.

Categories

1. Standard
  • Guidelines: Medium sized map. Players tend to have more flexibility on these maps to open with a wider variety of strategies and/or builds.
  • Average rush distance: 40-50 seconds. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Playable map dimensions guidelines (not full map dimensions): Map playable area should be approximately between 18,000 and 22,000. (Note that these numbers are guidelines and not hard rules.)
  • Examples:
    • (Wiki)Newkirk Precinct’s playable area is 172x124=21,328.
    • (Wiki)Abyssal Reef’s playable area is 152x136=20,672.
    • (Wiki)Coda’s playable area is 138x144=19,872.

2. Macro
  • Guidelines: A map that favors defensive play and encourages players to reach end game unit compositions.
  • Average Rush Distance: 45-55 seconds. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Playable map dimensions (not full map dimensions): Map playable area should be approximately 21,000 and up. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Examples:
    • (Wiki)Ascension to Aiur’s playable area is 160x132=21,120.
    • (Wiki)Proxima Station’s playable area is 172x152=26,144.
    • (Wiki)Dusk Towers playable area is 156x153=23,868.

3. Rush
  • Guidelines: Map favors early aggression and offensive play.
  • Average rush distance: 35 seconds or less. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Playable map dimensions (not full map dimensions): Map playable area should be approximately between 16,000 and 20,000. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Examples:
    • (Wiki)Paladino Terminal’s playable area is 144x112=16128.
    • (Wiki)Interloper’s playable area is 134x142=19028.
    • (Wiki)Defender’s Landing’s playable area is 150x130=19500.

4. New
  • Guidelines: Maps that explore new ideas for how maps can be played.
  • Map maker can adjust the number of mineral node or vespene geysers at bases. Cannot adjust the values of each individual resource node.
  • Map sizes can vary between Rush, Standard, or Macro.
  • Examples: (Wiki)Blood Boil, (Wiki)Sequencer, (Wiki)Dasan Station, (Wiki)Korhal Carnage Knockout, (Wiki)New Gettysburg.

Mappers who submit maps MUST submit each map in one of the four categories. This time, the judges will pick sixteen(16) finalist maps to move on to the next stage:
  • Three(3) Macro Maps
  • Three(3) Rush Maps
  • Three(3) Standard Maps
  • Three(3) New Maps
  • Four(4) "Judges' Picks"

Judges' Picks can come from any category and will consist of maps that the judges feel belong in the top 16. As we don't except all the categories to be uniform in quality, this helps to ensure that the most deserving maps, regardless of category submitted, make it to the next round.


TL Judging Phase

February 7 - February 13



Once the maps have been submitted they will be checked for quality and the remaining maps will be passed to representatives from the Team Liquid Strategy team and selected professional players/community figures for judging. If you are a professional player and would be interested in helping out, PM us. Together, the judges will trim down all submissions to a final 16 that will be used in the next stages of the contest.


Tournament Phase

February 14 - February 20


Next we'll have a tournament stage where professional players will compete on these experimental maps for prize money. Once again, thanks to Blizzard for providing the funding for this event. Details will be disclosed at a later date.


Iteration Phase

February 21 - March 12


The iteration phase is one we introduced in TLMC7 and in general it's been a big hit for everyone. In this phase, mappers will be able to submit clean final versions of their maps for consideration by Blizzard and the community.


Public Voting Phase

March 13 - March 15



The public will then vote on the final versions of these maps. Note that public voting only determines the final placing of these maps, that is how much money each mapper wins. It does not directly affect which maps Blizzard will chose to appear in the next season of ladder. However, this is your chance to make your voice heard about which maps YOU want to be on the ladder.


Prize Distribution

Provided by Blizzard

We are also keeping on the additional prizing for finalists. Each finalists will again receive $100 for each map they've submitted to the contest. In addition, there will also be more prizing awarded to mappers who have maps that finish in the top 5.

First - $500
Second - $250
Third - $125
Fourth - $75
Fifth - $50


And as always, all sixteen finalists will receive a Community Commander Portrait.



TLMC Winners Announced

March 16



After the winners are announced, Blizzard will take into consideration all sixteen maps for the next season of ladder and WCS. After a rigorous QA session, Blizzard will announce which maps will be available for you to play on at home closer to the start of the next ladder season.


How to Submit


Mappers will be limited to six map submissions each with a limit on two maps per category. For example, you may submit two maps in two categories and one in the other two or two maps in three categories and none to the fourth.

Please PM your map file(s) to TL Map Contest with the following format before Wednesday, Feb 07 4:59am GMT (GMT+00:00). Please title your PMs with the name of the map and keep all submissions to one map per PM. We'll once again be be asking mappers to submit more detailed information about their maps to ensure neither the judges nor the community misses any key features.

  • Map Name
  • A picture of your map. Please submit your maps with a standard 90° top down overview' do not use any angled or tilted images. Please mark start locations and describe any starting location constraints.
  • The size (dimensions) of the map
  • The map category you wish to enter with this map.
  • A description of the map.
  • Why the map fits the category you selected.
  • List and describe any distinctive features of the map.
  • Point out any alternate resource or rock usage on the map. Describe why you chose to use non-standard numbers.
  • Main to Main distance: (in-game seconds using a worker from town hall to town hall)
  • Top of main ramp to top of main ramp distance: (in-game seconds using a worker)
  • Natural to Natural distance: (in-game seconds using a worker from town hall to town hall)
  • Any relevant analyzer images (optional)
  • A download link to your map

Entries not in this format may be excluded from consideration. Please do not send questions to the 'TL Map Contest' account; contact TLMC organizer The_Templar instead.

Submit your map


FAQS


Q: Do I need to send my map file, or will an image or a link to my map on Battle.net be enough?
We want the map file for this contest, so a link to Battle.net is not sufficient. There will be a huge number of maps to choose from, so we will need to open many of them up in order to check for details that we can't find otherwise. To send your maps, upload them to a file hosting service such as Mediafire or Dropbox and include the link in your entry.


Q: How do I attached a map file or image to a PM?
The TeamLiquid PM system does not support attachments. Instead, use an external image/file hoster such as Mediafire, Dropbox or Google drive for map files or Imgur for image files. Please sent those links along with your submission.


Q: I want to enter a team map/FFA map into the contest.
The Team Liquid Map Contest has traditionally allowed team play maps to be entered and evaluated separately from 1v1 maps, and some of these submissions did eventually reach the ladder map pool. Unfortunately, this season we will not be considering team play maps submitted to the contest. If you're really passionate about making high quality team play maps then we strongly encourage you to post your work in our Maps and Custom Games forum.


Q: Will the winning map automatically be included in WCS?
No. A list of the top maps will be submitted to Blizzard for consideration for use in WCS/ladder.


Q: How crazy can my maps be?
Maps need to be ladder appropriate. This means that features requiring specialist knowledge (rising lava, geysers used to block ramps, etc.) will not be accepted. If your map passes that test and complies with the guidelines above then your map is acceptable! Of course, if you are concerned that your map may not be suitable for ladder then please PM The_Templar and we will tell you whether or not it is appropriate.


Q: I’m interested in the contest, but I’m horrible at map making. What can I do to support the mappers?
Post in their map threads and give them support, encouragement and replays on their maps! Giving your favorite mapper support will be much appreciated by the mapper. Replays are especially valuable as it helps the mapper align their design goals with the map with the reality of how people play their map.


If you have any unanswered questions please do not hesitate to ask them below or PM The_Templar who will be happy to answer them. Best of luck in the competition.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-13 02:36:57
January 16 2018 22:10 GMT
#2
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 22:14:23
January 16 2018 22:14 GMT
#3
I am hoping for more kpop themed maps for possible bttv intros.
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franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 22:17:51
January 16 2018 22:17 GMT
#4
For one of these contests can't we scrap the "new" category and put in a four play map category?

I think we need to push some map makers to make some great four player maps which have died out.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 22:27:14
January 16 2018 22:21 GMT
#5
On January 17 2018 07:17 youngjiddle wrote:
For one of these contests can't we scrap the "new" category and put in a four play map category?

I think we need to push some map makers to make some great four player maps which have died out.


The problem with four player maps is that no one likes them--not the players, not the mapmakers and not the TLMC judges, not that there isn't a category pushing for them.

On January 17 2018 07:14 Ansibled wrote:
I am hoping for more kpop themed maps for possible bttv intros.


I'm not sure what I'm going to do if TT ends up on ladder...
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
January 16 2018 22:55 GMT
#6
Nice to see The_Templar still in the mapmaking business. Unexpected but nice
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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
January 16 2018 23:26 GMT
#7
Good luck friends! Crazy to have 6 submissions though, I have 3 somewhat finished layouts that I haven't even touched with decor yet. We'll see if I can either fix some older maps or create some new ones.

Plus, only 2 maps per category max. That'll be fun, so if somebody does submit 6 maps they'll have to space their submissions out between at least 3 of the categories which is nice.

Once again, good luck to all Older & Newer map makers, wishing you all the best. =)
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
January 16 2018 23:28 GMT
#8
I'm hyped for what we get this time.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 16 2018 23:54 GMT
#9
Time for Avex’s biannual paycheck
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
January 17 2018 00:20 GMT
#10
sigh. fresh start, let's do this!
SC2 Mapmaker || twitter: @ironmansc || Ohana & Mech Depot || 3x TLMC finalist || www.twitch.tv/sc2mapstream
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
January 17 2018 00:24 GMT
#11
Damn, 6 this time eh? The one time I have 4 maps neatly lined up right away. GUESS I HAVE TO MAKE MORE.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
January 17 2018 01:12 GMT
#12
Rocks and collapsible structures use default HP values and cannot be modified.


I'd love for this to be changed, or for other rocks and collapsible structures to be tested and added at least for the New Map category. It feels like such a waste to not have more options for rocks to me. I could go on about the changes I suggested a while back and how I'd like a small map contest focused on rocks/structures/new structures, but that's for another time.

Q: How crazy can my maps be?
Maps need to be ladder appropriate. This means that features requiring specialist knowledge (rising lava, geysers used to block ramps, etc.) will not be accepted. ...


Some day I'll convince somebody to make a Lava Map Contest. Sigh, some day... looks longingly up into the starry winter night's sky... Anyway. I was also half hoping to see 2 player and 3-4 player maps separated this year too, but oh well, I have my fingers crossed for a lot of things to happen. Big time of the year for SC2, always looking forward to the submissions of course! Wish I had time to submit something myself, GLHF to everyone who is!

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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 17 2018 07:16 GMT
#13
Curious what abomination with 3 bases behind a single choke will make the ladder this time .
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-17 07:46:57
January 17 2018 07:46 GMT
#14
Good luck map makers. Really great that these competitions keep sc2 map pool fresh.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Kenny_mk1
Profile Joined November 2016
31 Posts
January 17 2018 08:18 GMT
#15
I know i'm gonna be hanged on the public place but...

PLEASE bring Dasan Station BACK!

(dear Terrans, ,keep in mind MC is gone)
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 17 2018 08:42 GMT
#16
On January 17 2018 16:16 Ej_ wrote:
Curious what abomination with 3 bases behind a single choke will make the ladder this time .


Three bases behind a choke is so very passé. In Korea they're working on maps with four bases behind a choke.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-17 09:21:17
January 17 2018 09:21 GMT
#17
On January 17 2018 16:16 Ej_ wrote:
Curious what abomination with 3 bases behind a single choke will make the ladder this time .

well, this abomination just did

(that's a 3rd base inside the nat, if it's hard to tell)
vibeo gane,
NukeOfficial
Profile Joined January 2017
23 Posts
January 17 2018 09:25 GMT
#18
On January 17 2018 07:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2018 07:17 youngjiddle wrote:
For one of these contests can't we scrap the "new" category and put in a four play map category?

I think we need to push some map makers to make some great four player maps which have died out.


The problem with four player maps is that no one likes them--not the players, not the mapmakers and not the TLMC judges, not that there isn't a category pushing for them.


umm.. I like 4 player maps? Might just be because I'm Zerg though haha
Frost 10/10
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-17 09:43:30
January 17 2018 09:43 GMT
#19
On January 17 2018 18:25 NukeOfficial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2018 07:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 17 2018 07:17 youngjiddle wrote:
For one of these contests can't we scrap the "new" category and put in a four play map category?

I think we need to push some map makers to make some great four player maps which have died out.


The problem with four player maps is that no one likes them--not the players, not the mapmakers and not the TLMC judges, not that there isn't a category pushing for them.


umm.. I like 4 player maps? Might just be because I'm Zerg though haha
Frost 10/10


Okay it's true that there's a vocal minority of the general Starcraft playing population that really like 4 player maps, but it is a quite a small minority. Looking a pro players though I can't think of anyone who likes 4 player maps. Looking at mapmakers I think there's a few Korean mapmakers who either like or are ambivalent to 4 player maps (Semmo I think liked them), but most mapmakers dislike them. As for TLMC judges based on the last few TLMCs they don't like four player maps much either.

As for Frost generally Zerg players generally like it when spawning cross, and dislike it otherwise (which is precisely one of the key issues with four player maps).
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January 17 2018 09:55 GMT
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On January 17 2018 18:25 NukeOfficial wrote:
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On January 17 2018 07:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 17 2018 07:17 youngjiddle wrote:
For one of these contests can't we scrap the "new" category and put in a four play map category?

I think we need to push some map makers to make some great four player maps which have died out.


The problem with four player maps is that no one likes them--not the players, not the mapmakers and not the TLMC judges, not that there isn't a category pushing for them.


umm.. I like 4 player maps? Might just be because I'm Zerg though haha
Frost 10/10

yeah most people don't like dying to speedlings because they scouted in the wrong direction
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