On December 28 2017 06:09 SNSeigifried wrote: So I'm just wondering why do people care if Scalett/NoRegreT are allowed to play and qualify if they are doing the same thing TRUE is doing they legit live there all year. 0_0
Because they still participate in WCS events, which all the Koreans cannot. By staying in Korea as foreigners, they can play in both the GSL and still fly out and play in foreign events as well–the exact situation that Koreans are explicitly forbidden to do via region-locking. I do not know whether Blizzard intended this loophole to be present in the region-lock, but the situation as it stands is such that foreigners can and do participate in every tournament while Koreans cannot, simply by virtue of nationality.
It is an irrefutable fact that the current system is unfair (when considered in a vacuum). The question is whether or not it is justified (by historical precedent, skill differential, etc, etc). At its root, the concept is basically the same as affirmative action, with all the same controversy therein.
EDIT: Well, at least Scarlett, Major, etc do this. I haven't heard of Noregret in any of the WCS events so I'm not sure what he does.
as far as i know koreans such as true/polt/violet are allowed to fly back and play in GSL qualifiers if they want to; there is just a limit to how much time they can spend away from the region they play in if they play wcs
The rules limit how much time "qualifying foreign residents" spend outside their region for "non-competitive reasons". Participating in the GSL presumably falls under the heading of "competitive reasons", so in theory a Korean should be able to participate in both GSL and WCS. In practice you probably have to discuss things with Blizzard, and maintaining the resident visa while travelling so much might be tricky.
I can't imagine Blizzard allowing Koreans to game the system considering the system was put in place to keep them out.
Why Blizzard thought the non-Korean scene was worth saving when it was incurably infested with Zerg players is beyond me.
how is it gaming the system its literally the rules whether you want to believe them or not theyre to make up for the fact that gsl is a several month offline event whereas wcs is just a weekend even if they does go a little overboard
people are paying thousands of dollars to come from na/europe to practice in korea and play in gsl qualifiers; its not so easy for us either
When Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit, the intent was for it to be played in by players living outside of Korea while the people living in Korea played in Korean tournaments. They didn't expect people living outside of Korea to try to compete in Korean tournaments, so they didn't ban it. Contravening the intent of the rules is literally the definition of gaming the system.
If the cost of flying to and from Korea is so prohibitive, Blizzard can just drop the split system since it won't be worth it for Koreans to fly out for DreamHacks.
On December 28 2017 06:09 SNSeigifried wrote: So I'm just wondering why do people care if Scalett/NoRegreT are allowed to play and qualify if they are doing the same thing TRUE is doing they legit live there all year. 0_0
Because they still participate in WCS events, which all the Koreans cannot. By staying in Korea as foreigners, they can play in both the GSL and still fly out and play in foreign events as well–the exact situation that Koreans are explicitly forbidden to do via region-locking. I do not know whether Blizzard intended this loophole to be present in the region-lock, but the situation as it stands is such that foreigners can and do participate in every tournament while Koreans cannot, simply by virtue of nationality.
It is an irrefutable fact that the current system is unfair (when considered in a vacuum). The question is whether or not it is justified (by historical precedent, skill differential, etc, etc). At its root, the concept is basically the same as affirmative action, with all the same controversy therein.
EDIT: Well, at least Scarlett, Major, etc do this. I haven't heard of Noregret in any of the WCS events so I'm not sure what he does.
as far as i know koreans such as true/polt/violet are allowed to fly back and play in GSL qualifiers if they want to; there is just a limit to how much time they can spend away from the region they play in if they play wcs
The rules limit how much time "qualifying foreign residents" spend outside their region for "non-competitive reasons". Participating in the GSL presumably falls under the heading of "competitive reasons", so in theory a Korean should be able to participate in both GSL and WCS. In practice you probably have to discuss things with Blizzard, and maintaining the resident visa while travelling so much might be tricky.
I can't imagine Blizzard allowing Koreans to game the system considering the system was put in place to keep them out.
Why Blizzard thought the non-Korean scene was worth saving when it was incurably infested with Zerg players is beyond me.
how is it gaming the system its literally the rules whether you want to believe them or not theyre to make up for the fact that gsl is a several month offline event whereas wcs is just a weekend even if they does go a little overboard
people are paying thousands of dollars to come from na/europe to practice in korea and play in gsl qualifiers; its not so easy for us either
When Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit, the intent was for it to be played in by players living outside of Korea while the people living in Korea played in Korean tournaments. They didn't expect people living outside of Korea to try to compete in Korean tournaments, so they didn't ban it. Contravening the intent of the rules is literally the definition of gaming the system.
If the cost of flying to and from Korea is so prohibitive, Blizzard can just drop the split system since it won't be worth it for Koreans to fly out for DreamHacks.
Blizzard straight up said that GSL wasn't region-locked because it was the highest level of Starcraft and that non-Koreans were welcome to compete in it. Stop trying to interpret Blizzard's intent out of thin air to suit your argument, ignoring all that Blizzard has said and done.
On December 28 2017 06:09 SNSeigifried wrote: So I'm just wondering why do people care if Scalett/NoRegreT are allowed to play and qualify if they are doing the same thing TRUE is doing they legit live there all year. 0_0
Because they still participate in WCS events, which all the Koreans cannot. By staying in Korea as foreigners, they can play in both the GSL and still fly out and play in foreign events as well–the exact situation that Koreans are explicitly forbidden to do via region-locking. I do not know whether Blizzard intended this loophole to be present in the region-lock, but the situation as it stands is such that foreigners can and do participate in every tournament while Koreans cannot, simply by virtue of nationality.
It is an irrefutable fact that the current system is unfair (when considered in a vacuum). The question is whether or not it is justified (by historical precedent, skill differential, etc, etc). At its root, the concept is basically the same as affirmative action, with all the same controversy therein.
EDIT: Well, at least Scarlett, Major, etc do this. I haven't heard of Noregret in any of the WCS events so I'm not sure what he does.
as far as i know koreans such as true/polt/violet are allowed to fly back and play in GSL qualifiers if they want to; there is just a limit to how much time they can spend away from the region they play in if they play wcs
The rules limit how much time "qualifying foreign residents" spend outside their region for "non-competitive reasons". Participating in the GSL presumably falls under the heading of "competitive reasons", so in theory a Korean should be able to participate in both GSL and WCS. In practice you probably have to discuss things with Blizzard, and maintaining the resident visa while travelling so much might be tricky.
I can't imagine Blizzard allowing Koreans to game the system considering the system was put in place to keep them out.
Why Blizzard thought the non-Korean scene was worth saving when it was incurably infested with Zerg players is beyond me.
how is it gaming the system its literally the rules whether you want to believe them or not theyre to make up for the fact that gsl is a several month offline event whereas wcs is just a weekend even if they does go a little overboard
people are paying thousands of dollars to come from na/europe to practice in korea and play in gsl qualifiers; its not so easy for us either
When Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit, the intent was for it to be played in by players living outside of Korea while the people living in Korea played in Korean tournaments. They didn't expect people living outside of Korea to try to compete in Korean tournaments, so they didn't ban it. Contravening the intent of the rules is literally the definition of gaming the system.
If the cost of flying to and from Korea is so prohibitive, Blizzard can just drop the split system since it won't be worth it for Koreans to fly out for DreamHacks.
Blizzard straight up said that GSL wasn't region-locked because it was the highest level of Starcraft and that non-Koreans were welcome to compete in it. Stop trying to interpret Blizzard's intent out of thin air to suit your argument, ignoring all that Blizzard has said and done.
Why was it the highest level of Starcraft again? Are things still the same as they were 7 years ago?
On December 28 2017 06:09 SNSeigifried wrote: So I'm just wondering why do people care if Scalett/NoRegreT are allowed to play and qualify if they are doing the same thing TRUE is doing they legit live there all year. 0_0
Because they still participate in WCS events, which all the Koreans cannot. By staying in Korea as foreigners, they can play in both the GSL and still fly out and play in foreign events as well–the exact situation that Koreans are explicitly forbidden to do via region-locking. I do not know whether Blizzard intended this loophole to be present in the region-lock, but the situation as it stands is such that foreigners can and do participate in every tournament while Koreans cannot, simply by virtue of nationality.
It is an irrefutable fact that the current system is unfair (when considered in a vacuum). The question is whether or not it is justified (by historical precedent, skill differential, etc, etc). At its root, the concept is basically the same as affirmative action, with all the same controversy therein.
EDIT: Well, at least Scarlett, Major, etc do this. I haven't heard of Noregret in any of the WCS events so I'm not sure what he does.
as far as i know koreans such as true/polt/violet are allowed to fly back and play in GSL qualifiers if they want to; there is just a limit to how much time they can spend away from the region they play in if they play wcs
The rules limit how much time "qualifying foreign residents" spend outside their region for "non-competitive reasons". Participating in the GSL presumably falls under the heading of "competitive reasons", so in theory a Korean should be able to participate in both GSL and WCS. In practice you probably have to discuss things with Blizzard, and maintaining the resident visa while travelling so much might be tricky.
I can't imagine Blizzard allowing Koreans to game the system considering the system was put in place to keep them out.
Why Blizzard thought the non-Korean scene was worth saving when it was incurably infested with Zerg players is beyond me.
how is it gaming the system its literally the rules whether you want to believe them or not theyre to make up for the fact that gsl is a several month offline event whereas wcs is just a weekend even if they does go a little overboard
people are paying thousands of dollars to come from na/europe to practice in korea and play in gsl qualifiers; its not so easy for us either
When Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit, the intent was for it to be played in by players living outside of Korea while the people living in Korea played in Korean tournaments. They didn't expect people living outside of Korea to try to compete in Korean tournaments, so they didn't ban it. Contravening the intent of the rules is literally the definition of gaming the system.
If the cost of flying to and from Korea is so prohibitive, Blizzard can just drop the split system since it won't be worth it for Koreans to fly out for DreamHacks.
Blizzard straight up said that GSL wasn't region-locked because it was the highest level of Starcraft and that non-Koreans were welcome to compete in it. Stop trying to interpret Blizzard's intent out of thin air to suit your argument, ignoring all that Blizzard has said and done.
Blizzard created a welfare circuit locking out the best players because the non-Korean pros complained that the non-Korean scene couldn't survive with the system being a meritocracy. That says everything. You don't do that if you think people are capable of double dipping.
On December 28 2017 06:09 SNSeigifried wrote: So I'm just wondering why do people care if Scalett/NoRegreT are allowed to play and qualify if they are doing the same thing TRUE is doing they legit live there all year. 0_0
Because they still participate in WCS events, which all the Koreans cannot. By staying in Korea as foreigners, they can play in both the GSL and still fly out and play in foreign events as well–the exact situation that Koreans are explicitly forbidden to do via region-locking. I do not know whether Blizzard intended this loophole to be present in the region-lock, but the situation as it stands is such that foreigners can and do participate in every tournament while Koreans cannot, simply by virtue of nationality.
It is an irrefutable fact that the current system is unfair (when considered in a vacuum). The question is whether or not it is justified (by historical precedent, skill differential, etc, etc). At its root, the concept is basically the same as affirmative action, with all the same controversy therein.
EDIT: Well, at least Scarlett, Major, etc do this. I haven't heard of Noregret in any of the WCS events so I'm not sure what he does.
as far as i know koreans such as true/polt/violet are allowed to fly back and play in GSL qualifiers if they want to; there is just a limit to how much time they can spend away from the region they play in if they play wcs
The rules limit how much time "qualifying foreign residents" spend outside their region for "non-competitive reasons". Participating in the GSL presumably falls under the heading of "competitive reasons", so in theory a Korean should be able to participate in both GSL and WCS. In practice you probably have to discuss things with Blizzard, and maintaining the resident visa while travelling so much might be tricky.
I can't imagine Blizzard allowing Koreans to game the system considering the system was put in place to keep them out.
Why Blizzard thought the non-Korean scene was worth saving when it was incurably infested with Zerg players is beyond me.
how is it gaming the system its literally the rules whether you want to believe them or not theyre to make up for the fact that gsl is a several month offline event whereas wcs is just a weekend even if they does go a little overboard
people are paying thousands of dollars to come from na/europe to practice in korea and play in gsl qualifiers; its not so easy for us either
When Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit, the intent was for it to be played in by players living outside of Korea while the people living in Korea played in Korean tournaments. They didn't expect people living outside of Korea to try to compete in Korean tournaments, so they didn't ban it. Contravening the intent of the rules is literally the definition of gaming the system.
If the cost of flying to and from Korea is so prohibitive, Blizzard can just drop the split system since it won't be worth it for Koreans to fly out for DreamHacks.
Blizzard straight up said that GSL wasn't region-locked because it was the highest level of Starcraft and that non-Koreans were welcome to compete in it. Stop trying to interpret Blizzard's intent out of thin air to suit your argument, ignoring all that Blizzard has said and done.
Blizzard created a welfare circuit locking out the best players because the non-Korean pros complained that the non-Korean scene couldn't survive with the system being a meritocracy. That says everything. You don't do that if you think people are capable of double dipping.
I'm glad we have a mind-reader like you to parse the terrible ambiguity and underlying contradictions of such imprecise comments as:
The WCS point system will now be split into two standings. The WCS Korea Standings, representing the highest level of competition, will include players participating in the GSL and SSL tournaments in Korea. They’ll be open to any player willing to take up the challenge of league play.
You've opened by eyes as to the reality of these foreigners sinisterly exploiting these loopholes that are explicitly set up by the rules. There's no way Blizzard actually intended what they stated.
Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
Celebrating what? That koreans are excluded from the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world is allowed to invade korea? Yeah, lets celebrate that
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
Celebrating what? That koreans are excluded from the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world is allowed to invade korea? Yeah, lets celebrate that
The performance of the players? Though I'm not the biggest fan of ByuN I'm still pretty happy that he was able to show up and qualify despite his illness for example.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
Celebrating what? That koreans are excluded from the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world is allowed to invade korea? Yeah, lets celebrate that
The performance of the players? Though I'm not the biggest fan of ByuN I'm still pretty happy that he was able to show up and qualify despite his illness for example.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
Great results is a bit of a stretch when the the greatest wins to achieve them came from a couple of 2-1 wins against Patience and a 2-0 against Forte.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
I'm willing to bet you $50 on the first match that Nerchio and Ryung play from now
GREAT seeing a majority zerg advancing, for a change, on day 2. The less mass Skilberators and mass Aderpts in Code S, the better the games will be. GREAT JOB NoRegret qualifying WHILE ALSO BRINGING A LIVE STREAM of Day 1. Heres hoping the most consistently top player of all time Soo, who would have won Code S 3-4 times by now if he was either of the other races, will finally take it and be where he deserves.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
The level of a Ro32 player from 2013/14 is different from one in 2017/18. Also foreigners have gotten better. True also made a GSL RO4.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
Celebrating what? That koreans are excluded from the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world is allowed to invade korea? Yeah, lets celebrate that
Celebrating that finally, our heroes the Foreigners are from time to time beating the faceless Koreans, no? Are we all not happy about it? Are you reading that, Blizzard? So what about opening the weekend tournaments for the Koreans again?
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
The level of a Ro32 player from 2013/14 is different from one in 2017/18. Also foreigners have gotten better. True also made a GSL RO4.
TRUE was a ro32 player in 2015/2016, then switched to WCS.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
The level of a Ro32 player from 2013/14 is different from one in 2017/18. Also foreigners have gotten better. True also made a GSL RO4.
TRUE was a ro32 player in 2015/2016, then switched to WCS.
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