StarCraft II Balance Update – December 18 - Page 8

On January 03 2018 02:58 Tyrhanius wrote:

The point is no Protoss, has switched to Z or T or decide to offrace to win a miror.

On January 02 2018 10:52 LSN wrote:
Does Blizzard know that their matchmaking kills their game?

Look at that:

https://imgur.com/a/8FMiG

What happened here, is that me and someone else had to play with an absolute beginner. Opponent had one disconnect before start, hence they got increased income, while we had that guy that we somehow tried to adapt to and integrate into our game, which was not possible in no way. We lost to P air after all with double zerg, while he blocked expansions. When he left I got 10k mins, even though he almost gathered nothing with the 6-7 drones he had on his bases each.


The question that comes up is, why is that? Why do long term players have to play with/agains starters constantly? Is that some left wing equality shit?

I know that noone enjoys that kind of matchmaking. Why can't players play with/against others on similar rank?

I started playing 3v3 rt a few weeks ago at platin1 and played up to master2. What I can say and observe again is that your own rank barely makes any difference in what kind of match you get, of course the average is increasing, but deveations stay huge. It is mostly random at the end of the day and you never know what you get.
However what I observe as well is that the more similar the teams/opponents ranks are the more fun it is to play. Furthermore it took me ages to get out of platin1/diamond3 cause these games were fully random and you cannot predict team/opponent behaviour at all on that level, they do random stuff all day. Whenever I got streaks of games with/against similar/same rank my results improved alot and I advanced into higher leagues fast. Actually MM should be the other way round. You should get out fast from bottom leagues, as an advanced player, and then progress should slow down, not the other way round.

For me and many others that kind of gameplay is a full waste of time and a fun killer and not what we are looking for when playing starcraft. Is there any chance that can be improved?

As well 1on1 should be counted into team game MMR, as that is the most important factor for the skill of a player, just as I suggested some pages before.


Another problem is that skill is distributed randomly amongst leages and ranks. You find 1on1 GM players on diamond 3 3v3rt and you find people that have started SC2 with f2p patch on diamond 3. The same is true with master 1-3. The rank of a player in 3v3 rt does only to a very small extent represent his skill.

Both of these problems mixed together create the nightmare of matchmaking that SC2 is. I have decided that it is not worth my time and turn my back to it again, even tho I'd like to play some SC2 in general.

But i love how both Tempest & Range-Prism are "bad designed" while Tempest is here only to counter high-range Liberator & Broodlord, and that prism range is here only so protoss can have an acceptable drop tool compared to medivac, and so it can survive vs sniper Queen. Also, Prism Range is'nt what make drop disru strong.

On January 04 2018 23:21 JackONeill wrote:
Funny thing is that the issues terran faces will only get worse.
Mainly because protosses are still figuring out playing without battery, allowing terrans to deal damage with timings, and that some zergs don't get that full hydras with few vipers counter most mech compositions.

I don't see mech compositions performing decently without a viper nerf to match the raven nerf, i don't see bio compositions working decently with the 8 range queen/hydra's speed on creep/35 hp banes. Likewise, bio will always underperform against stalkers 3-shoting marines while getting +2 dmg per upgrade and colossi being that good against marines, and mech not having any answer whatsoever against skytoss will prevent it from being a viable option.

Balance team probably didn't work for the holidays, but with GSL and other competitions coming up there's a dire need for swift action.

On January 05 2018 02:47 Tyrhanius wrote:

Na, Mech is close to OP.

Gumiho have won GSL with mech half this strong.

Mass tanks is so imba, zerg all-in or rush viper like crazy.

Lair is done, they start roach speed, and infest pit a second after, then upgrades, and get hive and viper before starting hydra den lol.
Vipers at 7.30 is the aim not to die...

The B3 gas are also rushed before the B3 is even saturated.

SH is now completly useless at high level and viper is the only tool zerg have to protect vs tanks.

Not to add all the tools Terran has, like cyclon/hellion that can kill zerg early, hellbat with only armory requirement, drop thor which so powerful.

r/allthingzerg is full of "i'm lost on ZvT vs mech, have a 30% winrate"

On January 05 2018 05:15 always_winter wrote:


That's a lot of text to convey absolutely zero factual data. Who needs David Kim when we have.... a Zerg sub-Reddit?

Side note: If you're losing to Thor drops in 2018, re-evaluate your life.

On January 11 2018 02:37 Myrddrael wrote:
From what I've seen, the main issue seems to be how fast Protoss can churn out upgrades? It just makes fights look really one sided sometimes. Maybe I'm wrong though.

On January 10 2018 20:16 seemsgood wrote:
Seems like protoss players are doing well with thier ground army and don't bother to calculate a clear way to transition into air fleet.I don't see their desperation when building air units like good'ol brood wars's time.I don't see it and this is a insult to terran's mech and mech players.Protoss does not scare max push ground mech in SC2.
Anyway i think cyclones are fine beside it's armor type.If blizzard remove it's armor tag i'm pretty confident that with this change alone, high cyclones count alongside with other factory units will easily reap through EVERY ground units protoss could offer and BAM! We have a retared version of warhound that doesn't ruin TvZ.I also think protoss players can easily hold off non-armor tag cyclones cheese with thier macro advantage and stargate opening follow up phoenixs anyway so nothing is broken in early game..
And one more thing is just simple change also does help bio in early game from being bullied by stalkers and the bully one would be terran .

I strongly recommend blizzard should try this change then see how it turns out.