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On October 25 2017 16:17 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 14:45 Heartland wrote:On October 25 2017 11:44 nabresrotciv wrote:On October 25 2017 04:59 Morbidius wrote:On October 25 2017 04:53 Zealously wrote:On October 25 2017 03:03 Morbidius wrote:I don't think Inno deserves #1, just because he sucks when he's not playing in Korea, all the beatdowns he got from Life and Taeja are more than enough evidence. On October 25 2017 01:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm glad people aren't giving undue attention to the ramblings of some writer and properly focusing on what really matters, the ordering of players Because these articles are mostly obtuse ramblings that try to build fake narratives. Hell we have better GSL RO32 previews than this. I'm not sure what you mean by fake narrative, honestly, but I'm interested in finding out. To me that implies a dishonesty in how a player is portrayed, and while I agree that TL previews can be far-fetched, I would rarely call them dishonest. Will you elaborate? You put it quite well, i'm not saying they're dishonest, just far-fetched and too emotional/dramatic. Giving soO or Snute such protrayal is fine, but it gets old when the previews portray all 16 players in such a way. Also some more about their playstyle would be great: What are their strenghts? Their weaknesses? What makes them different? What were their best games this year? I’m so happy that you reached this point of discussion. I completely agree with whats being said here, I just don’t think sc2 scene is one to transition real sports or even other esports stupid lines, hype and introductions that have to sound epic, maybe one player out of them should have been more than enough for those big words that never transcend reality “the monster”, “the KR ladder king”, “the machine”, who calls them that anyway? just nonsene. I’m just angry on how a game thats supposed to be played and watched by people averaging a higher iq than ones following a ball gets dragged in this miserable and idiotic far fetched media crap, you don’t fool us, never have and never will. Why would Starcraft watching imply you're smarter than people watching football? Because if you are a miserable neckbeard with no interest or ability to perform in physical sports, you're obviously a superior intelectual? Duh.
Please, playing computer games doesn't show you're smart.
Watching Rick & Morty does.
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On October 26 2017 04:10 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 16:17 Ej_ wrote:On October 25 2017 14:45 Heartland wrote:On October 25 2017 11:44 nabresrotciv wrote:On October 25 2017 04:59 Morbidius wrote:On October 25 2017 04:53 Zealously wrote:On October 25 2017 03:03 Morbidius wrote:I don't think Inno deserves #1, just because he sucks when he's not playing in Korea, all the beatdowns he got from Life and Taeja are more than enough evidence. On October 25 2017 01:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm glad people aren't giving undue attention to the ramblings of some writer and properly focusing on what really matters, the ordering of players Because these articles are mostly obtuse ramblings that try to build fake narratives. Hell we have better GSL RO32 previews than this. I'm not sure what you mean by fake narrative, honestly, but I'm interested in finding out. To me that implies a dishonesty in how a player is portrayed, and while I agree that TL previews can be far-fetched, I would rarely call them dishonest. Will you elaborate? You put it quite well, i'm not saying they're dishonest, just far-fetched and too emotional/dramatic. Giving soO or Snute such protrayal is fine, but it gets old when the previews portray all 16 players in such a way. Also some more about their playstyle would be great: What are their strenghts? Their weaknesses? What makes them different? What were their best games this year? I’m so happy that you reached this point of discussion. I completely agree with whats being said here, I just don’t think sc2 scene is one to transition real sports or even other esports stupid lines, hype and introductions that have to sound epic, maybe one player out of them should have been more than enough for those big words that never transcend reality “the monster”, “the KR ladder king”, “the machine”, who calls them that anyway? just nonsene. I’m just angry on how a game thats supposed to be played and watched by people averaging a higher iq than ones following a ball gets dragged in this miserable and idiotic far fetched media crap, you don’t fool us, never have and never will. Why would Starcraft watching imply you're smarter than people watching football? Because if you are a miserable neckbeard with no interest or ability to perform in physical sports, you're obviously a superior intelectual? Duh. Please, playing computer games doesn't show you're smart. Watching Rick & Morty does.
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"To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎"
Disclaimer: I've never watched an episode in my life and wouldn't be able to tell you which one is Rick/Morty.
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I think it is safe to say there was no consistent formula for ranking these players. If it was recent form nobody is better than Hero. If it was for consistent performance Stats should be #1. Incorporating ladder into the discussion is silly. Guys will GG on ladder games in 2 seconds if a build doesn't work out or a proxy is discovered. That was a familiar refrain on the Zest FC, boy is he killing iot on ladder!
I found Olli's contention that Neeb was mopping up on Korean ladder on Korean holiday's very humorous. Dude are you serious?
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On October 26 2017 20:31 Rolltide wrote:
I think it is safe to say there was no consistent formula for ranking these players. If it was recent form nobody is better than Hero. If it was for consistent performance Stats should be #1. Incorporating ladder into the discussion is silly. Guys will GG on ladder games in 2 seconds if a build doesn't work out or a proxy is discovered. That was a familiar refrain on the Zest FC, boy is he killing iot on ladder!
I found Olli's contention that Neeb was mopping up on Korean ladder on Korean holiday's very humorous. Dude are you serious?
Master's Coliseum happened after we finalized the ranking and started writing. The formula for all PRs has always been the same. Ladder doesn't factor into it, btw. Which is why Serral isn't ranked higher.
If you don't agree with it, fair enough.
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I understand. Without MC 2 Rogue ranked #2 makes more sense.
Good writing on Innovation by the way.
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I'm working 13 hours tomorrow so I'll miss group A&B but will see C&D on Saturday. No question the hottest ticket is Neeb vs Rogue. Everybody wants to see that one. Neeb destroyed Snute in Montreal and beat a surging Serral in Jonkoping. He certainly knows PvZ. That's going to be a good one.
Will not be Lilbow vs Life circa 2015.
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On October 27 2017 02:23 Rolltide wrote:
I'm working 13 hours tomorrow so I'll miss group A&B but will see C&D on Saturday. No question the hottest ticket is Neeb vs Rogue. Everybody wants to see that one. Neeb destroyed Snute in Montreal and beat a surging Serral in Jonkoping. He certainly knows PvZ. That's going to be a good one.
Will not be Lilbow vs Life circa 2015.
Yeah, it'll be like Neeb vs Dark circa 2016 
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this guys is going to win blizcon. hes looked totally untouchable recently, maybe the only thing he could lose is a zvz.
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On October 27 2017 04:21 washikie wrote:
this guys is going to win blizcon. hes looked totally untouchable recently, maybe the only thing he could lose is a zvz.
Untouchable is a bit far. His series against Stats, Inno, and herO all went to the final map. They could easily have gone either way
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Yeah, it'll be like Neeb vs Dark circa 2016
Dark then was better than Rogue now. Dark now is better than Rogue now in my opinion.
Neeb is definitely better than he was last year.
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Neeb vs Rogue. One of the best series and one of the best maps in the history of esports and Starcraft!
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On October 26 2017 04:33 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 04:10 Heartland wrote:On October 25 2017 16:17 Ej_ wrote:On October 25 2017 14:45 Heartland wrote:On October 25 2017 11:44 nabresrotciv wrote:On October 25 2017 04:59 Morbidius wrote:On October 25 2017 04:53 Zealously wrote:On October 25 2017 03:03 Morbidius wrote:I don't think Inno deserves #1, just because he sucks when he's not playing in Korea, all the beatdowns he got from Life and Taeja are more than enough evidence. On October 25 2017 01:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm glad people aren't giving undue attention to the ramblings of some writer and properly focusing on what really matters, the ordering of players Because these articles are mostly obtuse ramblings that try to build fake narratives. Hell we have better GSL RO32 previews than this. I'm not sure what you mean by fake narrative, honestly, but I'm interested in finding out. To me that implies a dishonesty in how a player is portrayed, and while I agree that TL previews can be far-fetched, I would rarely call them dishonest. Will you elaborate? You put it quite well, i'm not saying they're dishonest, just far-fetched and too emotional/dramatic. Giving soO or Snute such protrayal is fine, but it gets old when the previews portray all 16 players in such a way. Also some more about their playstyle would be great: What are their strenghts? Their weaknesses? What makes them different? What were their best games this year? I’m so happy that you reached this point of discussion. I completely agree with whats being said here, I just don’t think sc2 scene is one to transition real sports or even other esports stupid lines, hype and introductions that have to sound epic, maybe one player out of them should have been more than enough for those big words that never transcend reality “the monster”, “the KR ladder king”, “the machine”, who calls them that anyway? just nonsene. I’m just angry on how a game thats supposed to be played and watched by people averaging a higher iq than ones following a ball gets dragged in this miserable and idiotic far fetched media crap, you don’t fool us, never have and never will. Why would Starcraft watching imply you're smarter than people watching football? Because if you are a miserable neckbeard with no interest or ability to perform in physical sports, you're obviously a superior intelectual? Duh. Please, playing computer games doesn't show you're smart. Watching Rick & Morty does. Obligatory: "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎" Disclaimer: I've never watched an episode in my life and wouldn't be able to tell you which one is Rick/Morty. User was warned for this post
Why warning ?
On October 28 2017 22:56 Rolltide wrote:
Neeb vs Rogue. One of the best series and one of the best maps in the history of esports and Starcraft!
Really ? which map ? The last one was incredible boring, it embodied what is wrong in sc2, hour of dodging armees then 15 seconds of fight...
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