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Stats defeats Dark 4-3 to win SSL Premier

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
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September 25 2017 13:10 GMT
#1
Seventeen months removed from the first SSL finals of LotV, (Z)Dark and (P)Stats, the most successful players of their respective races in the new expansion, met once more to determine who would reign supreme over Korea’s second Starleague.

(Wiki)2017 StarCraft II StarLeague Season 2/Premier


The finals got underway on Newkirk Precinct. Dark put the pedal to the metal from the very start, going for drop play aggression off 19 workers. Queens planted themselves in Stats' main along with a flood of zerglings, but Stats held with minimal losses. Reeling from the failed all-in, Dark had no way to prevent Stats from researching glaives, moving across the map and taking the game with the aid of an immortal.



Dark opened pool first on Abyssal Reef, with Stats favoring a stargate after expanding. He first built an oracle, but quickly added a void ray and another stargate along with his third. Dark built spore crawlers just in time before getting a hydralisk den, infestation pit and eventually a fourth. Stats, meanwhile, was adding a fleet beacon, a third stargate and a fourth base. Stats began to pump carriers three by three, with Dark building up a hydralisk/infestor/viper composition. Stats added on high templars, but had a difficult time piercing Dark's forest of static defense. Only a single carrier died in the first skirmish, but the second battle was far bloodier. Fungal after fungal and a number of abducts chipped away at Stats' army and, while the mothership recalled to safety, they carriers weren’t as lucky. Dark chased the remaining carriers back to Stats' base, killing most of them. Suddenly at a supply deficit, Stats added on void rays, while Dark massed ultralisks and corruptors. Dark kept the pressure on from there, keeping Stats' army count low before cleaning up Stats' forces while taking out a pair of nexus to even the series.

Stats once more led with a stargate after gate/nexus/core, but this time he made a void ray before the first oracle, third base and twilight council. Dark took a quick third and went for overlord speed, but was unable to get any drop play going. Stats made the first move with a glaives attack that bought him a large worker lead. Dark tried to flood zerglings and banelings into Stats' third, but even with the aid of queens he was unable to crack the Splyce Protoss. At a massive disadvantage, Dark added a fourth and lair along with roaches, but was pulled apart as chargelots and archons attacked his main while also killing his third. With the lead having become an insurmountable one, Dark conceded.



Stats took a gold base in game four on Odyssey, prompting Dark to go for a ling flood with banelings off three bases. After failing to make any headway at Stats' gold, Dark baited a final overcharge before bane busting into Stats' main. He killed fifteen probes, darting between both bases, but Stats held with the help of a recall. Dark didn't let up, though, going for the main again, killing four more workers and setting up an attack on Stats' undefended gold that brought the score to 2-2.

Game five saw the players spawn horizontally on Whirlwind, with Dark in the seven o'clock base and Stats opposite him in the five o'clock position. The first unit out of Stats’ stargate was an oracle, with him applying adept pressure from there. He got little done, but was able to weather the worst of Dark's follow up zergling attacks. Dark teched into swarmhosts, but had his fourth base canceled multiple times by archons. Stats gathered his forces and brought his chargelots and archons to bear in an attack outside Dark's natural that hit before banelings were completed. Some hatched, connecting to zealots, but Dark's swarmhosts were coming out piecemeal and were unable to stem the tide. The warpins continued, putting Stats one game from an SSL title.



Game six took place on Frost, with the players once more spawning horizontally, this time on the northern side of the map. Stats' adepts spotted Dark's two base lair build with a roach warren, prompting him to stop stargate production and move into immortals and chargelots. Dark cut roach production and decided to drone and add a third base which he lightly saturated while teching into hydralisks. Stats went for an archon drop, but it was scouted and repulsed by waiting hydralisks. Having pulled massively ahead in supply, Dark marched across the map with roach/hydra. He routed Stats' army and killed the third base while defending against warp prism harassment before crashing into Stats' natural, sending the series to game seven.

Back on a two player map, Stats opened with a gateway on the low ground before pylon blocking Dark's natural on Overgrowth. Having opened pool first, Dark took instead took his third first. Stats went gate/nexus/core before adding on a stargate. Dark bled off transferring drones to Stats' first two adepts, but had a queen and spore in position to defend the first oracle which had to settle for planting a stasis ward before retreating. Dark teched into +1 melee and a baneling nest, with Stats taking his third, going for charge and high templar behind it. Dark tried to establish his fourth, but Stats had marshalled a chargelot/archon army in the middle of the map. It fought to a standstill against Dark's hydralisks and queens, but managed to cancel Dark's fourth. Stats withdrew and took a fourth of his own while bolstering his army with storm. Having made two prisms, Stats canceled Dark's building bases with his main army, warped in zealots in Dark's main, dropped zealots in Dark's natural and attacked Dark's third. Dark attempted baneling drops on the high templar, but Stats' splits were too good and the game was already beyond the Zerg's grasp anyway. Having lost 25 workers and his entire army, Dark had no choice but to concede. The loss is Dark's third consecutive in a Premier event finals. The victory is Stats' second of the year, bolstering his record as the most prolific player of 2017 and extending his lead at the top of the Korean WCS ranking.

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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
September 25 2017 13:21 GMT
#2
Stats performed perfectly in the last game, amazing multitasking and engagement, that HT split was miraculous, a well-deserved victory.
This year is already great for him with the double starleague champions, I wish he will do well at Blizzcon. A player as consistent as he is should not easily choke.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-25 13:27:50
September 25 2017 13:25 GMT
#3
Dark was perhaps the best player of the season (gsl+ssl), and comes out empty-handed, disappointed for him..

+ Cant wait for the traditionnal "omg where is the spoiler alert"
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 25 2017 13:41 GMT
#4
On September 25 2017 22:21 yht9657 wrote:
Stats performed perfectly in the last game, amazing multitasking and engagement, that HT split was miraculous, a well-deserved victory.
This year is already great for him with the double starleague champions, I wish he will do well at Blizzcon. A player as consistent as he is should not easily choke.


Yeah, that last game was essentially perfect. Very impressed by that.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
September 25 2017 13:50 GMT
#5
Hooray for Stats :D
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Snarosc
Profile Joined January 2016
France66 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-25 14:00:42
September 25 2017 14:00 GMT
#6
On September 25 2017 22:25 DieuCure wrote:
Dark was perhaps the best player of the season (gsl+ssl), and comes out empty-handed, disappointed for him..

+ Cant wait for the traditionnal "omg where is the spoiler alert"


This, Dark is probably the most fearsome player this season and in the end, won't probably lift a single trophy this year. I'm gutted for him.

On the other hand, Stats really played amazingly & deserved that win, confirming he's the best Protoss there is today, and ARGUABLY the best player this year with 1 GSL win + 1 SSL win + 2x 2nd places in IEM tournaments (Not taking into account the fact that he's also been 3rd & 4th in the GSL season 3 and in the 1st SSL of the year).

While Innovation certainly won more than him, there's no denying that, his runs ended pretty early in every other tournament he entered, which is why I think it's hard to decide which one of the two is the best in 2017. (But that's just my opinion, don't start a debate on this )
Stats is the best player of LotV.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
September 25 2017 14:28 GMT
#7
On September 25 2017 23:00 Snarosc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2017 22:25 DieuCure wrote:
Dark was perhaps the best player of the season (gsl+ssl), and comes out empty-handed, disappointed for him..

+ Cant wait for the traditionnal "omg where is the spoiler alert"


This, Dark is probably the most fearsome player this season and in the end, won't probably lift a single trophy this year. I'm gutted for him.

On the other hand, Stats really played amazingly & deserved that win, confirming he's the best Protoss there is today, and ARGUABLY the best player this year with 1 GSL win + 1 SSL win + 2x 2nd places in IEM tournaments (Not taking into account the fact that he's also been 3rd & 4th in the GSL season 3 and in the 1st SSL of the year).

While Innovation certainly won more than him, there's no denying that, his runs ended pretty early in every other tournament he entered, which is why I think it's hard to decide which one of the two is the best in 2017. (But that's just my opinion, don't start a debate on this )

It's abundantely clear that Dark Stats and Inno are the best players of their race in LotV. Disregarding any of them or their abilities is simply idiotic.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
hiroshOne
Profile Joined October 2015
Poland425 Posts
September 25 2017 14:30 GMT
#8
Ehhh...Another tournament of (according to many people) "Zerg too stronk" era, yet without Zerg win...I feel so bad for Dark...
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 25 2017 15:17 GMT
#9
On September 25 2017 23:28 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2017 23:00 Snarosc wrote:
On September 25 2017 22:25 DieuCure wrote:
Dark was perhaps the best player of the season (gsl+ssl), and comes out empty-handed, disappointed for him..

+ Cant wait for the traditionnal "omg where is the spoiler alert"


This, Dark is probably the most fearsome player this season and in the end, won't probably lift a single trophy this year. I'm gutted for him.

On the other hand, Stats really played amazingly & deserved that win, confirming he's the best Protoss there is today, and ARGUABLY the best player this year with 1 GSL win + 1 SSL win + 2x 2nd places in IEM tournaments (Not taking into account the fact that he's also been 3rd & 4th in the GSL season 3 and in the 1st SSL of the year).

While Innovation certainly won more than him, there's no denying that, his runs ended pretty early in every other tournament he entered, which is why I think it's hard to decide which one of the two is the best in 2017. (But that's just my opinion, don't start a debate on this )

It's abundantely clear that Dark Stats and Inno are the best players of their race in LotV. Disregarding any of them or their abilities is simply idiotic.


Which makes soO the 2nd best Zerg?

Yes, no doubt Dark had a stellar year. Came so close to beating Inno and Stats, played with heart. It's not a case where you can really point to a moment and say "Yeah, he botched that real bad, what a choker". Yes, he made mistakes, but who doesn't? It's not like he made significantly more mistakes than Inno and Stats in those games. He deserves better. Hopefully Blizzcon can be his salvation!
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
September 25 2017 15:30 GMT
#10
On September 26 2017 00:17 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2017 23:28 Cricketer12 wrote:
On September 25 2017 23:00 Snarosc wrote:
On September 25 2017 22:25 DieuCure wrote:
Dark was perhaps the best player of the season (gsl+ssl), and comes out empty-handed, disappointed for him..

+ Cant wait for the traditionnal "omg where is the spoiler alert"


This, Dark is probably the most fearsome player this season and in the end, won't probably lift a single trophy this year. I'm gutted for him.

On the other hand, Stats really played amazingly & deserved that win, confirming he's the best Protoss there is today, and ARGUABLY the best player this year with 1 GSL win + 1 SSL win + 2x 2nd places in IEM tournaments (Not taking into account the fact that he's also been 3rd & 4th in the GSL season 3 and in the 1st SSL of the year).

While Innovation certainly won more than him, there's no denying that, his runs ended pretty early in every other tournament he entered, which is why I think it's hard to decide which one of the two is the best in 2017. (But that's just my opinion, don't start a debate on this )

It's abundantely clear that Dark Stats and Inno are the best players of their race in LotV. Disregarding any of them or their abilities is simply idiotic.


Which makes soO the 2nd best Zerg?

Yes, no doubt Dark had a stellar year. Came so close to beating Inno and Stats, played with heart. It's not a case where you can really point to a moment and say "Yeah, he botched that real bad, what a choker". Yes, he made mistakes, but who doesn't? It's not like he made significantly more mistakes than Inno and Stats in those games. He deserves better. Hopefully Blizzcon can be his salvation!

It's an odd year. We both know who is winning blizzcon and it ain't Dark
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
September 25 2017 15:35 GMT
#11
On September 26 2017 00:30 Cricketer12 wrote:
It's an odd year. We both know who is winning blizzcon and it ain't Dark

Serral?
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ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
September 25 2017 16:25 GMT
#12
On September 25 2017 22:21 yht9657 wrote:
Stats performed perfectly in the last game, amazing multitasking and engagement, that HT split was miraculous, a well-deserved victory.
This year is already great for him with the double starleague champions, I wish he will do well at Blizzcon. A player as consistent as he is should not easily choke.


at the moment he could only lose to sOs or Inno, perhaps Dark as well. I don't see him losing to anyone else.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-25 16:39:35
September 25 2017 16:32 GMT
#13
Gotta feel for Dark, he played the two best players in the world in GSL then SSL, and took both of them to Game 7, but at the end of the day he walks away empty-handed.

As for the current best player, Stats and Inno are extremely close but I would have to give a (very) slight edge to Inno. He made it through a tough playoff bracket while Stats rested, beat sOs where Stats failed, and put on a much better show in his Bo7 against Dark.

Stats has been more consistent in 2017, but when Inno peaks he dominates every other player in the world, Stats included. An example of this is the multiple times Inno fought Stats throughout the year. When Stats won it was tightly contested, but Inno simply looks invincible in victory.

Looking forward to the Super Tournament and Blizzcon, hopefully we more epic showdowns between Dark, Inno and Stats.
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
September 25 2017 18:14 GMT
#14
On September 26 2017 00:35 RCCar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 00:30 Cricketer12 wrote:
It's an odd year. We both know who is winning blizzcon and it ain't Dark

Serral?

sOs, the only player to ever win at Blizzcon in an odd numbered year.
He shows up every other year and wins.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-25 19:16:19
September 25 2017 19:15 GMT
#15
Stats Dark and Inno are the obvious big three. Although I don't think it's by as big a margin as people say. TY, sOs, Classic, soO etc and a few others could beat them on a good day

And neither of the big three will win blizzcon imo. Blizzcon usually goes to whoever peaks on the day, not who was conistant over the year.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 25 2017 19:16 GMT
#16
Maru will be the great favorite.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 25 2017 19:22 GMT
#17
On September 26 2017 04:15 Fango wrote:
Stats Dark and Inno are the obvious big three. Although I don't think it's by as big a margin as people say. TY, sOs, Classic, soO etc and a few others could beat them on a good day

And neither of the big three will win blizzcon imo. Blizzcon usually goes to whoever peaks on the day, not who was conistant over the year.

Is there some mysterious external factor that prevents any of the big three from peaking at Blizzcon?
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zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
September 25 2017 19:38 GMT
#18
On September 26 2017 01:25 ParksonVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2017 22:21 yht9657 wrote:
Stats performed perfectly in the last game, amazing multitasking and engagement, that HT split was miraculous, a well-deserved victory.
This year is already great for him with the double starleague champions, I wish he will do well at Blizzcon. A player as consistent as he is should not easily choke.


at the moment he could only lose to sOs or Inno, perhaps Dark as well. I don't see him losing to anyone else.


soO can do it if it isn't the finals.
ScrappyRabbit
Profile Joined March 2016
200 Posts
September 25 2017 20:55 GMT
#19
Incredible year for Stats. Really cool to see him coming into his own as a superstar this year after being a workhorse on KT Rolster for so long but never being a "big name" among KT/SKT guys.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
September 26 2017 00:06 GMT
#20
Fantastic finals all round, I feel Dark did not have to mix it up as much as he did, he is a goldy macro player and had he just gone more toe to toe with Stats I think he would have won this series.

But there is no denying Stats - what a supreme high grand elite Auir master in PvZ and PvT....
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