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Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 29 2017 19:11 GMT
#21
hero forgot cybercore game 1 as well
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HappyMinti
Profile Joined February 2010
United States32 Posts
July 29 2017 19:13 GMT
#22
Perhaps Gumiho / Inno / Maru / Uthermal can't play reapers like Byun does, but they can still play them well enough to enter mid game with a strong advantage over an equivalent Zerg while sacrificing little risk.

At first I loved watching the Reaper micro wars from Byun or Uthermal, but it's getting to the point where the game is honestly becoming boring and one dimensional. At the highest level, and I mean the HIGHEST level, TvZ feels like an utter uphill battle for Zergs at the moment. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to try to defend all early/mid game against reaper pressure into window mine drops + liberators + marine drops.

It's not just the reaper pressure, it's the followup. Perhaps I'm just tired of the status quo of TvZ. I would love to see some more mech.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
July 29 2017 21:33 GMT
#23
Rogue!!!
I still feel very sorry for his GSL champion title in season 2, which was stolen by one blocked zergling. Had he gone through, nobody could write that "favourites fall"
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation183 Posts
July 29 2017 21:50 GMT
#24
This is your time to shine Sexy Boy! Make your first semi-finals turn into Win in the finals!!
This man suffers from a bad heart, but I have plenty of medicine.
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1902 Posts
July 29 2017 22:26 GMT
#25
On July 30 2017 06:33 Diabolique wrote:
Rogue!!!
I still feel very sorry for his GSL champion title in season 2, which was stolen by one blocked zergling. Had he gone through, nobody could write that "favourites fall"


It was a queen.

On July 30 2017 06:50 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
This is your time to shine Sexy Boy! Make your first semi-finals turn into Win in the finals!!


Rogue has been to the semifinals of a premier event three times prior to this weekend, mostly notably at Blizzcon 2015 where he lost to sOs.
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17032 Posts
July 29 2017 23:51 GMT
#26
On July 30 2017 04:13 HappyMinti wrote:
Perhaps Gumiho / Inno / Maru / Uthermal can't play reapers like Byun does, but they can still play them well enough to enter mid game with a strong advantage over an equivalent Zerg while sacrificing little risk.

At first I loved watching the Reaper micro wars from Byun or Uthermal, but it's getting to the point where the game is honestly becoming boring and one dimensional. At the highest level, and I mean the HIGHEST level, TvZ feels like an utter uphill battle for Zergs at the moment. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to try to defend all early/mid game against reaper pressure into window mine drops + liberators + marine drops.

It's not just the reaper pressure, it's the followup. Perhaps I'm just tired of the status quo of TvZ. I would love to see some more mech.

i've been binge watching GSL and SSL recently and other than Byun i don't see a lot of Mass Reaper pressure openings in TvZ.
can u name specific games/series where this happens and its not Byun?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
July 30 2017 00:27 GMT
#27
On July 30 2017 07:26 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 06:33 Diabolique wrote:
Rogue!!!
I still feel very sorry for his GSL champion title in season 2, which was stolen by one blocked zergling. Had he gone through, nobody could write that "favourites fall"


It was a queen.

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 06:50 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
This is your time to shine Sexy Boy! Make your first semi-finals turn into Win in the finals!!


Rogue has been to the semifinals of a premier event three times prior to this weekend, mostly notably at Blizzcon 2015 where he lost to sOs.

Yes, the queen has blocked the zergling. Queen was blocking, zergling was blocked. And it was so tight that had only one single zergling gone through, Rogue could have been through.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
July 30 2017 01:11 GMT
#28
On July 30 2017 02:38 mccarthyaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 01:28 Kaizor wrote:

HOLY SHIT, IT IS SO HORRIBLE !! ZERG must be really suffering in TvZ !!

http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/

June 2017, out of 1546 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15%

May 2017, out of 1684 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15%

April 2017, out of 1597 games, TvZ win rate : 49.03%

March 2017, out of 1406 games, TvZ win rate : 48.08%

In fact you had to go back to Jan 2017 before Terrans had a over 50% win rate over Zergs. But yeah reapers are OP and Terrans are abusing it everywhere...


Facts don't matter to these guys.


The other logical extension of this is if the reaper vs zerg is broken and a problem that strongly implies terran is at a greater disadvantage in basically all other scenarios. My money is on that lame anti micro spell again (#gamedesign)... That said I always liked the idea of limiting the grenade to 3 charges vulture mine style. It puts a clock on it as long as the zerg pressures the reapers to get them to burn grenades.

But back on topic, I'm also not seeing how any of these are the great upsets the title implies.
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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 30 2017 08:02 GMT
#29
On July 30 2017 10:11 mostevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 02:38 mccarthyaw wrote:
On July 30 2017 01:28 Kaizor wrote:

HOLY SHIT, IT IS SO HORRIBLE !! ZERG must be really suffering in TvZ !!

http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/

June 2017, out of 1546 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15%

May 2017, out of 1684 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15%

April 2017, out of 1597 games, TvZ win rate : 49.03%

March 2017, out of 1406 games, TvZ win rate : 48.08%

In fact you had to go back to Jan 2017 before Terrans had a over 50% win rate over Zergs. But yeah reapers are OP and Terrans are abusing it everywhere...


Facts don't matter to these guys.


The other logical extension of this is if the reaper vs zerg is broken and a problem that strongly implies terran is at a greater disadvantage in basically all other scenarios. My money is on that lame anti micro spell again (#gamedesign)... That said I always liked the idea of limiting the grenade to 3 charges vulture mine style. It puts a clock on it as long as the zerg pressures the reapers to get them to burn grenades.

But back on topic, I'm also not seeing how any of these are the great upsets the title implies.

Terran won all 3 starleagues last season. Just because some EU terrans are getting trashed doesn't mean terran is too weak.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 11:23:28
July 30 2017 11:22 GMT
#30
I guess now everyone will analyze the shit out of Rogue's vods to see how to counter his strategies. Nice to see a zerg finally winning something, but i hope it will be an SSL or GSL next. But then Innovation is there, so it's a tough one.
Why so serious?
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