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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On May 17 2017 18:59 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: No reason to make broodlords in any matchup now, I don't like this patch There was a reason to make broodlords before? The problem with broods is they're massively overpowered if they show up and your opponent is unprepared. However they're completely fucking worthless if they are. So how do you balance something like that? | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On May 17 2017 19:03 InfCereal wrote: There was a reason to make broodlords before? The problem with broods is they're massively overpowered if they show up and your opponent is unprepared. However they're completely fucking worthless if they are. So how do you balance something like that? They were pretty useful and not overpowered at all before the range nerf. | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
It took 6 shots to kill a BL, now, guess what, it takes 5!!! oh my god. | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On May 17 2017 19:46 insitelol wrote: 6 supply useless unit dealing 10 more damage per shot (with terrible attack ratio) definetely gonna make BL "useless". It took 6 shots to kill a BL, now, guess what, it takes 5!!! oh my god. They were already useless after the range nerf, now they're utter garbage. Not to mention that 6 supply unit cost less than broodlord, is faster, has more range and can attack both air&ground but its the one which needs a buff somehow?! | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
its not fast enough it has never been fast enough on launch, everyone complained that this unit was clunky and goofy , and its been 7 years i mean maybe ive just been too hopeful, but i dont see how any developer could be attached to that unit. who is the one at blizz taking the thor design so personally taht they dont try the most basic solution to the unit. SIZE/SPEED | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
3.14 + Balance Patch inbound! That is one irrational patch. | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
On May 17 2017 21:39 StarscreamG1 wrote: That would be the Cyclone.All this bullshit about thor armor, shot modes, etc... The unit needs to be a kind of goliath, that's it. | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
lol nah its just a cyclone i watched some broodwar the other day and i was cumming buckets watching tank pushes get stopped by a premature carrier transition, rally goliaths and make the push work with their reliable anti air | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
On May 17 2017 23:26 c0sm0naut wrote: would be kind of lol nah its just a cyclone i watched some broodwar the other day and i was cumming buckets watching tank pushes get stopped by a premature carrier transition, rally goliaths and make the push work with their reliable anti air  | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17873 Posts
On May 17 2017 17:02 LoneYoShi wrote: Am I the only one worried about a possible resurgence of proxy-thor builds in TvT ? if, at the GSL level, it appears 1 in every 30 games or less i'm cool with it. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
And the tempests? This change would make some sense if the bonus was applied to carriers only otherwise its just dumb and screws up other matchups as well. Charge cost is lower... well okay, but toss will still use adepts anyway. charge cost is not the issue and never was. why build a unit that is made almost completely obsolete by another unit which is much more versatile? Thors main issue was/is that it sucks against air (mostly broods), and these changes dont help that much in that regard either. And this took what a month? To get 2 good changes which have almost 0 impact on overall balance (the burrow visual and the auto turret) I mean, come on.... :/ | ||
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:01 MarianoSC2 wrote: I dont get these changes at all... Void ray and tempest change just doesnt make any sense what so ever. Voids are already garbage why even thinking about nerfing them? lol And the tempests? This change would make some sense if the bonus was applied to carriers only otherwise its just dumb and screws up other matchups as well. Charge cost is lower... well okay, but toss will still use adepts anyway. charge cost is not the issue and never was. why build a unit that is made almost completely obsolete by another unit which is much more versatile? Thors main issue was/is that it sucks against air (mostly broods), and these changes dont help that much in that regard either. And this took what a month? To get 2 good changes which have almost 0 impact on overall balance (the burrow visual and the auto turret) I mean, come on.... :/ Void Rays don't suck, they are strong where they need to be used, but their design is crap, it's a zero skill A move unit just like the Broodlords, it either teeters between overpowered and underpowered based on ground up design. Personally I'm glad Tempests were buffed vs. Brood Lords and that Void Rays are getting nerfed, air units are just too powerful in SC2, next up I'm hoping they do an Oracle redesign. Air vs Air battles suck and units that incinerate workers in the blink of an eye suck, Phoenix was way less gimmicky then opening Oracle and way more fun/skill based to watch. Charge change is great but I completely agree with your second line, why the hell would you ever build a Zealot when you can build a unit that is just as beefy, but it's ranged, durable, and is one of the best harassment units in the game. Charge wasnt the problem, Adepts overshadowing Zealots and Stalkers is the problem, and it's a problem that will persist until the Adept is changed to actually have some type of drawback or role other then, "General better then the others Gateway unit" Can't wait until the off season when this team can actually roll out more in depth changes, they can't really do it right now because of the tournaments going on so they have to keep the changes very small and careful. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/20766467/patch-314-preview-new-premier-skin-bundle-5-17-2017 Guess I have to play more Broodlords now. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:09 Musicus wrote: 3.14 also brings 3 new skins! http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/20766467/patch-314-preview-new-premier-skin-bundle-5-17-2017 Guess I have to play more Broodlords now. That viking skin tho, wow | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:09 jpg06051992 wrote: Void Rays don't suck, they are strong where they need to be used, but their design is crap, it's a zero skill A move unit just like the Broodlords, it either teeters between overpowered and underpowered based on ground up design. Personally I'm glad Tempests were buffed vs. Brood Lords and that Void Rays are getting nerfed, air units are just too powerful in SC2, next up I'm hoping they do an Oracle redesign. Air vs Air battles suck and units that incinerate workers in the blink of an eye suck, Phoenix was way less gimmicky then opening Oracle and way more fun/skill based to watch. Charge change is great but I completely agree with your second line, why the hell would you ever build a Zealot when you can build a unit that is just as beefy, but it's ranged, durable, and is one of the best harassment units in the game. Charge wasnt the problem, Adepts overshadowing Zealots and Stalkers is the problem, and it's a problem that will persist until the Adept is changed to actually have some type of drawback or role other then, "General better then the others Gateway unit" Can't wait until the off season when this team can actually roll out more in depth changes, they can't really do it right now because of the tournaments going on so they have to keep the changes very small and careful. The problem isn't tempest counter broodlords, as you can counter tempest with corruptor +/- abduct, the problem is HT counter everything. Only broodlords can zone HT, but if you give P a big hard counter to broodlords, the just have to make HT + Tempest combination with some skytoss or immortal/archons balls and they crush everything. Zerg need a counter to HT, because HT can annhilate everything with storm (pretty broken spell because it's instant and hit both air and ground), and counter all the zerg caster that could be used to counter the P deathball. Something like : the HT can't use his spells under blinding cloud would be nice, because HT have 9 range and viper cloud is 11 range, and HT move slowly. Also it's not a hard counter (HT can still feedback vipers out the cloud), but allow at least some counter play, and nice move like fungal + cloud, hard to perform and great to watch on a pro tournament. | ||
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:27 Tyrhanius wrote: The problem isn't tempest counter broodlords, as you can counter tempest with corruptor +/- abduct, the problem is HT counter everything. Only broodlords can zone HT, but if you give P a big hard counter to broodlords, the just have to make HT + Tempest combination with some skytoss or immortal/archons balls and they crush everything. Zerg need a counter to HT, because HT can annhilate everything with storm (pretty broken spell because it's instant and hit both air and ground), and counter all the zerg caster that could be used to counter the P deathball. Something like : the HT can't use his spells under blinding cloud would be nice, because HT have 9 range and viper cloud is 11 range, and HT move slowly. Also it's not a hard counter (HT can still feedback vipers out the cloud), but allow at least some counter play, and nice move like fungal + cloud, hard to perform and great to watch on a pro tournament. I mostly agree with this, for the record I play Zerg so I'm not advocating too much Protoss buff or Zerg nerf or anything like that, I just think air units as a whole are too powerful. I would have to say that if the Protoss is at a point where he can start cranking out 10 + Templars with his ultimate doom army then the Zerg is in trouble or needs to take very careful engagements. Zerg is supposed to win or take a big lead in the mid game to win, where as Protoss needs to do damage to the Zerg early game or macro/defend in the mid game to secure their well known late game advantage. I don't think Starcraft will ever get a point where every race is perfectly balanced at every stage of the game. Same goes for Terran, they know they need to do damage early game mid game or open up very greedy and play a skin to the teeth defense if they are going to not challenge the Zerg economy, because Terran has a very powerful mid game but starts to fall off against Zerg late game. | ||
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