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Impact wins VSL S1 over herO in a 3-0 upset

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 12:25:47
April 20 2017 12:05 GMT
#1
The second Korean final of the year appeared on paper to be the most lopsided in recent memory, with GSL Global Tournament champion (P)herO the heavy favorite against ladder hero (Z)Impact in the Bo5 finals of the VSL Season 1.



herO forced a large number of lings through adepts, oracles and a pylon rush in game one, but did no economic damage. Meanwhile, he lost six probes to lings which enabled Impact to pull ahead into a roach composition that attacked herO's third and put Impact up 1-0.

Game two started similarly, with herO again washing against Impact’s defenses. Impact postured with ling/bane/hydra, but it was a flock of mutas that crippled herO’s economy and forced him all in. Impact held the immortal/archon/charge attack to put him one game away from victory.



herO’s adepts and oracles got more done against Impact’s large queen count on Bel'Shir Vestige, but Impact still powered into a massive army. Banelings drops got damage done while lurkers, lings and banes killed herO’s third. herO's desperate counter attack saw his army get wiped out, making Impact the champion by a 3-0 score.

VSL Season 1 is Impact's first tournament victory, in his second finals appearance. He had previously lost 0-3 to (Z)Life at Dreamhack Bucharest in 2014. His VSL win earns Impact roughly 4420 USD.
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
April 20 2017 12:16 GMT
#2
Good job Impact!
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
April 20 2017 12:17 GMT
#3
Wait what?
Starcraft has had some weird result lately.
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Where dat snitch at?37114 Posts
April 20 2017 12:24 GMT
#4
SSL champion? Isn't describing his most recent GSL Super Tournament win the better choice?
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esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States568 Posts
April 20 2017 12:44 GMT
#5
Just wow. herO 3-0's Rogue and then can't take a game off Impact. Very surprising.
Skill is relative.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
April 20 2017 12:45 GMT
#6
So pleased surprised
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QuinnTheEskimo
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Germany55 Posts
April 20 2017 13:06 GMT
#7
Just to put an anchor here for inevitable discussions yet to occur:

As we can clearly see by the racial distribution in the Ro8, P barely recovered from from a 40% winrate in PvT and T is still clearly favored.
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 20 2017 13:17 GMT
#8
On April 20 2017 21:44 esReveR wrote:
Just wow. herO 3-0's Rogue and then can't take a game off Impact. Very surprising.



Not that surprising. Nerf the only thing Protoss has left and it's bound to happen.
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Lightrush
Profile Joined July 2015
Bulgaria164 Posts
April 20 2017 13:18 GMT
#9
Great news!
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aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
481 Posts
April 20 2017 13:55 GMT
#10
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
April 20 2017 14:05 GMT
#11
herO basically went full NA vs Impact. Super embarrassing series.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
April 20 2017 14:05 GMT
#12
wat
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
April 20 2017 14:12 GMT
#13
in other words, impact scouted
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
April 20 2017 14:22 GMT
#14
On April 20 2017 22:17 showstealer1829 wrote:
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On April 20 2017 21:44 esReveR wrote:
Just wow. herO 3-0's Rogue and then can't take a game off Impact. Very surprising.



Not that surprising. Nerf the only thing Protoss has left and it's bound to happen.

I wouldn't even blame the nerf. The Adepts nerf might have made herO's harass less effective but herO played very poorly in all 3 games. Horrible decision making. He couldn't even win vs Armani with that performance, let alone Impact.
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
April 20 2017 14:26 GMT
#15
Impact best zerg confirmed.
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 14:38:28
April 20 2017 14:31 GMT
#16
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 16:53:54
April 20 2017 15:49 GMT
#17
Impact 3-0s herO but couldn't beat sOs or Losira in GSL?
Wtf man.
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MushinSSC
Profile Joined April 2016
31 Posts
April 20 2017 16:10 GMT
#18
wtf herO!!
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
April 20 2017 17:20 GMT
#19
On April 21 2017 00:49 pvsnp wrote:
Impact 3-0s herO but couldn't beat sOs or Losira in GSL?
Wtf man.

Well, herO lost his freaking mind so Impact ran him over. It is herO's turn go full-NA and join the slump club of Zest.
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Profile Joined July 2015
United States580 Posts
April 20 2017 17:22 GMT
#20
Usually I want to just give full props to the winner because anything can happen at the top level, even when there is a heavy favorite, but Hero played really badly, like shockingly badly when I know he can play so godly.

Impact still played clean and perfect though, not taking anything away from his skill he's a great Zerg player but yea Hero definitely wasn't on point that series.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
April 20 2017 17:23 GMT
#21
On April 21 2017 00:49 pvsnp wrote:
Impact 3-0s herO but couldn't beat sOs or Losira in GSL?
Wtf man.

He knew he was gonna be the champion and star league champions always disappoint after their win, so he got eliminated from GSL so people can't say he is slumping after his VSL win .

Kinda happy that he won, I think the adept nerf wasn't the direct cause of herO loss, but it probably affected his mentality to have it right before the finals.
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
April 20 2017 17:33 GMT
#22
I think its always kind fun to have a new player win, herO did look terrible thou
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 20 2017 18:22 GMT
#23
herO can't win without adepts being broken?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 18:57:40
April 20 2017 18:30 GMT
#24
when are ppl going to figure out that hero just makes random decisions and micros well

On April 21 2017 03:22 Fango wrote:
herO can't win without adepts being broken?


not having this massive crutch likely didnt help
Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 19:53:40
April 20 2017 19:53 GMT
#25
On April 21 2017 03:30 c0sm0naut wrote:
when are ppl going to figure out that hero just makes random decisions and micros well


I honestly feel like a lot of top level pros are this way - they have crazy high apm and god-tier micro which cushions their random/questionable decisions. If they didn't have BOs to copy from other pros who are good at strategy they would struggle (relatively speaking of course. They'd still be 10x better than me or you).
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1960 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 20:43:01
April 20 2017 20:32 GMT
#26
On April 21 2017 03:30 c0sm0naut wrote:
when are ppl going to figure out that hero just makes random decisions and micros well

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On April 21 2017 03:22 Fango wrote:
herO can't win without adepts being broken?


not having this massive crutch likely didnt help


This is a rather inadequate explanation of herO as a player.

Besides his anti swarm host play, herO's never been one to revolutionize the way a match up is played. Few players are better at optimizing existing builds and strategies, though. This can be evidenced by his adept play as of late or his usage of three base blink builds in HotS. He's not as intelligent as Classic, but he always has a clear game plan going into a series. There have been times where he has been slow to deviate when things don't go as expected, but he has a very high cerebral understanding of how the game operates.

herO is more than just good micro. We typify PartinG as that type of Protoss. herO is adept at comprehending how units should move in order to attack where the opponent is vulnerable. Where to shade, when to blink, these are elements of micro that require decision making and not just selecting units quickly.

herO might not be as sound defensively as Rain or as obviously robust as Stats, but he has been an elite player for more than three years at this point. His playstyle has adapted with balance patches and expansions, hallmarks of a player who has a very deep understanding of how Starcraft works and what it takes to be successful.

PS: herO is also the type of player who will abuse whatever advantages Protoss have at any given time to their fullest extent. It's amazing that he's such a fan favorite given the style he employs.
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wiNgiAN
Profile Joined April 2017
17 Posts
April 20 2017 21:03 GMT
#27
not surprised, blizzard keep buffing zerg units, banelings, hydras, corruptors, (the broken swarm host unit), then nerf protoss units: Oh lets nerf adepts because is the only thing protoss do!, OFC because the other gateway units sucks so hard, rip profesional protoss scene.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 22:24:19
April 20 2017 22:20 GMT
#28
On April 21 2017 03:30 c0sm0naut wrote:
when are ppl going to figure out that hero just makes random decisions and micros well

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 03:22 Fango wrote:
herO can't win without adepts being broken?


not having this massive crutch likely didnt help

It's not true at all tho. You don't play at such high level with random decisions ^^.
Even sOs is not randomly doing things.
edit: yeah what mizenhauer said basically
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AshC
Profile Joined August 2016
United States328 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 23:31:20
April 20 2017 23:30 GMT
#29
On April 21 2017 05:32 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 03:30 c0sm0naut wrote:
when are ppl going to figure out that hero just makes random decisions and micros well

On April 21 2017 03:22 Fango wrote:
herO can't win without adepts being broken?


not having this massive crutch likely didnt help


This is a rather inadequate explanation of herO as a player.

Besides his anti swarm host play, herO's never been one to revolutionize the way a match up is played. Few players are better at optimizing existing builds and strategies, though. This can be evidenced by his adept play as of late or his usage of three base blink builds in HotS. He's not as intelligent as Classic, but he always has a clear game plan going into a series. There have been times where he has been slow to deviate when things don't go as expected, but he has a very high cerebral understanding of how the game operates.

herO is more than just good micro. We typify PartinG as that type of Protoss. herO is adept at comprehending how units should move in order to attack where the opponent is vulnerable. Where to shade, when to blink, these are elements of micro that require decision making and not just selecting units quickly.

herO might not be as sound defensively as Rain or as obviously robust as Stats, but he has been an elite player for more than three years at this point. His playstyle has adapted with balance patches and expansions, hallmarks of a player who has a very deep understanding of how Starcraft works and what it takes to be successful.

PS: herO is also the type of player who will abuse whatever advantages Protoss have at any given time to their fullest extent. It's amazing that he's such a fan favorite given the style he employs.


This is very well-written post. Big applause. I find herO is one of the few Protoss can both macro and micro very well. He doesn't seem to miss a bit in both fonts.

Talking about abusive, I find sOs is the most abusive player. He will abuse Protoss advantages to its core. Multiple proxies, mass this mass that. Abusive and all I love his style sometimes. It looks ridiculous to the point it looks amazing.
Kazi25
Profile Joined July 2016
Philippines236 Posts
April 21 2017 03:10 GMT
#30
Grats to Impact! I noticed the LB rankings almost didn't change. I guess most people voted for herO.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-21 03:26:36
April 21 2017 03:25 GMT
#31
This is very well-written post. Big applause. I find herO is one of the few Protoss can both macro and micro very well. He doesn't seem to miss a bit in both fonts.

Talking about abusive, I find sOs is the most abusive player. He will abuse Protoss advantages to its core. Multiple proxies, mass this mass that. Abusive and all I love his style sometimes. It looks ridiculous to the point it looks amazing.

sOs is ridiculously abusive, yes, but he does it so boldly, so audaciously, that you have to give him massive props for the sheer balls of doing what he does. Say what you will about him abusing the meta, but the man's got style.
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killerm12
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovakia601 Posts
April 21 2017 06:58 GMT
#32
On April 21 2017 06:03 wiNgiAN wrote:
not surprised, blizzard keep buffing zerg units, banelings, hydras, corruptors, (the broken swarm host unit), then nerf protoss units: Oh lets nerf adepts because is the only thing protoss do!, OFC because the other gateway units sucks so hard, rip profesional protoss scene.


so what you're saying is you didn't actually watch the games, just wanted to balance whine

because adept nerf was not the reason why herO lost
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XiZeL
Profile Joined July 2014
Switzerland92 Posts
April 21 2017 09:52 GMT
#33
i thought (Z)Impact retired when SKT disbanded
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
April 21 2017 09:58 GMT
#34
On April 21 2017 18:52 XiZeL wrote:
i thought (Z)Impact retired when SKT disbanded

He unretired a few weeks later and joined dead Pixels.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
April 21 2017 10:04 GMT
#35
Finally all the work paid off, playing this game for so long without big results (apart from that one DH) must have been tough.

I really think a win like this can do wonders for a player and propel him to the next level of consistency. Go Impact!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
April 21 2017 10:41 GMT
#36
On April 21 2017 00:49 pvsnp wrote:
Impact 3-0s herO but couldn't beat sOs or Losira in GSL?
Wtf man.


The theory is that he played super bad in GSL to hide his strength for VSL.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 21 2017 11:48 GMT
#37
On April 21 2017 15:58 killerm12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 06:03 wiNgiAN wrote:
not surprised, blizzard keep buffing zerg units, banelings, hydras, corruptors, (the broken swarm host unit), then nerf protoss units: Oh lets nerf adepts because is the only thing protoss do!, OFC because the other gateway units sucks so hard, rip profesional protoss scene.


so what you're saying is you didn't actually watch the games, just wanted to balance whine

because adept nerf was not the reason why herO lost


Just because it wasn't THE reason doesn't mean it wasn't A reason.
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April 22 2017 17:11 GMT
#38
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