Community Feedback Update - March 30 - Page 9

On April 02 2017 12:10 AnossSc2 wrote:


This is why Starcraft is dying... Because most of people who keep playing this game think 6 harvesters was to slow.. Look BW, the reference, the base of Starcraft 2, you spend 4 min to just macro and nobody complaining. You said : i don't want play 1 or 2 hours games anymore... mate, a game on LOTV last about 13 min on average, a game on HOTS last about 17 min on average, that's all it's not about 1 hours game (remember timer was X1.5 faster)

And this argument about "Casual Game". What is casual on 6 harvesters start ? You can go CC first or gas first or One rax expo or all in double rax 11 with 6 harvester, on a Bo3 it's a paper roc scissor before game start. With 12 ? only gas first ! mineral is free and gas unit come so fast why do anything else... you have gas unit AND b2 fast ! is that the casual thing ?

I remembered when Bomber was countering 15 banelings with only 23 marines ! is that the casual thing ? split is casual ? where is the splitt now ? when mines and tank come so fast...

Now you macro 4 min, at 4 min 30, you can have an Oracle, or a Cyclone, a Liberator, is that the skill ? when on 6 harvester you had to read and scout to know, did i put a bunker/sunken or not ? where is the skill now ? it's Bo against Bo and you can't read properly what do your opponent cause you can do what you want ! 8 min Carrier lol, 8 min BC rofl..

So now you execute the same build against each race, and you think the game is less casual cause you have to be faster ? faster on macro ? but macro is just a repetition, same pylon, same robotics.. and you think this is skill ? on HOTS 3 gas on Protoss, i'm sur it's a 7 gate robot, let's scan or send a reaper, what did you read now ? tell me ? you just macroing and then you attack and discover ! ok Protoss play Phoenix ! This is not skill, this is just playing.

And it's so easy to say : 6 harvester is to slow and unskilled. 90% of the people who are still play this game started on Wol/Hots. You have had more than 5 years to get used to the game, and now you think 6 harvesters is bad.. easy to think now you know how to play mate, think about you 5 years ago when you was this guy with no mechanics, and no knowledge, remembrer your first game. 6 harvester let you grow up, 12 don't.

Blizzard should not listen people like you, with no new player, you will stop to play this game like all the rest, you think you are playing the real game, but tomorrow you will speak with a BW player : I play the real game, i play Starcraft 2 ! Really ? BW player will laugh ! real game is BW bro, you will speak to your casual player friend : I play SC2 ! the real game !! and casual player will laugh ! SC2 is dead bro.. And you will change the game and go to all this game you don't like, like a lot of people. And Blizzard will think : I listened the community why people still stop playing ? Cause a lot of people think playing a inaccessible game make them smart, but it's wrong, you are smart when you are the best in a game, not cause you play a type of game. So Stop arguing this plz, Does not mix your egocentricity and the game, casual game is Sonic bro, all the E-sport game are Skill game, there is no SC2 is on the top and LOL is bullshit, it's just different game.

So IF WE LOVE STARCRAFT 2, we have to think differently, this game is not only for people like you and me who discovered it with WOL, League has a ton of new player cause player don't say : I want start level 6 cause game is boring with one spell. It's the game, this is how people can grow up. Faker is Faker after 7 min mark, before we can all play and creep like Faker, this why League work, and why Starcraft 2 don't. Think about it.

May be we should all understand, than if we don't want some new player, we will never have a great E-sport scene on Starcraft 2, so if the only argument for 12 harvesters is : The game is for the real guys who don't play Lol H1Z1 and all this shit, we will never be great again, pro player will never make some money, and game will die cause even TL one day will focus on other game. So please guys, we need to wake up, we all played on 6 harvesters, best game EVER on Starcraft 2 was on 6 harvester, we need to discuss about that.

@eonzerg you don't understand my point, Starcraft is hard to masteries and it's cool like that, the point is, when i started to play this game, it was easy to execute a 1 1 1, the difficulties was when i had to micro my hellion and continue to macro in my basement. That's why i continued to play the game, that was fun to micro and make a build, and i was thinking : I did some damage but with a better macro my damage would have been increased, so i want be a better player, i need to focus more on my macro when i attack my opponent.

Now you can't execute a 1 1 1, if you don't know the game, it's just stupid, if people don't have fun why they would continue to perform ? you stress to build a simple 1 1 1 cause it's so much APM now for a beginner and oups ! an Oracle, you die ! but play again !!! This game is so cool ! it's stupid. In my time, i just had to send a worker, no B2 since 1 min 30, ok may be it's Oracle or Blink but it's all in. I do a bunker and a Turret. Now you go heavy gas or B2, the difference on the B2 timing is 40 sec ! WOW !! with 6 collector you go heavy gas ok, the opponent B2 come 2 min after than yours. This is why now no body make some tutorial on the game, cause you need a lot of knowledge and APM even at 4 min mark... in my time, it was easy to say : at 3.35 until 5 min no B2, may be it's all in, do a bunker and a turret, now it's at 3.35 until 4.10 no B2, may be its Oracle but may be player is low... so i don't know mate ! this why nobody try to make some tutorial, cause you can't make tutorial on LOTV.

Si i don't want a Starcraft 2 easy to play, i want a Starcraft 2 Easy to play, hard to masteries, like all the other Esport game. And i dont want play Hots because HOTS was redundant due to a lack of unity, Lotv is not.

On April 03 2017 09:18 WeddingEpisode wrote:
This is Community Feedback after all. Does anyone else want to see "Workers Killed" column on the Game Summary Screen? You have to watch an entire replay if you want to see this stat.

On April 04 2017 08:05 AnossSc2 wrote:



Mate,

You always lose against more experienced player.. on LOTV or BW it's the same thing, this is why ladder is, to select a opponent who has the same experience than you. The fact is on LOTV, if you want reproduce the Pro Build orders on the first 4 min, you can't (without Hotkey like a beginner). If you want reproduce what did Flash on is first 4 min of BW you can (without hotkey like a beginner).
You will lose on both game, but BW let you play for 4 min and micro some unit, when LOTV. don't let you build a 1 1 1 properly.
Even BW is too easy to practice on the beginning than LOTV. LOTV requires 12 "macro action" the first minute, HOTS 8, BW 9 ( even if you have to rally manually the harvester on the mineral line).
So yes BW is too hard than LOTV on mid and late game, but the game START SLOWLY, so beginner have time. NOT ON LOTV.

If you compare the macro action required on LOTV, 2 min : 23, HOTS : 16.
3 min : 37, HOTS : 26
4 min : 50, HOTS : 39

This example is for a Terran gas first 1 1 1 drop 2 widow mines. The fact is, for an old player like us it's easy to perform, for a new player you reach the limit. It's too more action.


You do not have time to find the shortcuts and read the BO written on your notepad with LOTV. It's a fact, i did the test. On HOTS, you have the time.

If you understand that point, you understand why Starcraft 2 doesn't work anymore, it's not about losing some game, it's about have fun before losing a game. New player or low player can't have fun on LOTV, so why play this game ?

I did a lot of tutorial for french community, (youtube/anoss91) and TRUST ME, you can explain - No Expo, build a bunker and a turret on HOTS, so yes it works with HOTS, it doesn't for LOTV, this is why on Wol/Hots you had Day9 tutorial, Apollo Tutorial, mine for french people, a lot of for different language AND NO ONE FOR LOTV WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE.

What you say on Co-op etc is off topic. We have better starting guide loooool where ? better than Day9 ? please... we have no starting guide at all.

This is not a good idea to "casualize" the low league, people want play the same game than Polt, and i never said i want remove macro mechanic's, you are off topic too.

For Faker, i can show you A LOT OF PLAT/DIA PLAYER who farm as Faker on the 6 first minute... just open a stream and look the timer.

"P.S: Also in other games you mentioned there is constant flow of casual tournaments and content for casuals, where in sc2 there is almost none of it or its very rare."

And why ?? cause no noob player, no stream watch, no Twitch, no compétition, wake up bro, Starcraft 2 will not live just with a bunch of "Elitist player" who think the game is cool with 12 harvesters, cause YOU can play the game, cause YOU discovered it with WOL/HOTS and 6 harvesters, and all this extensions left you the time to improve your knowledge and apm... WAKE UP

If you understand that, you save the game, if you don't understand that, you kill the game. That's all. It's better for all.

On April 04 2017 09:45 spydog wrote:
I play more 2v2 than 1v1 these days, so maybe this is somewhat map dependent (and the dynamics of 2v2 are very different from 1v1 in general), but I see WAY more Carrier play than I have ever seen before and it is surprisingly strong. I am Terran and my teammate is Zerg. On a lot of 2v2 maps, the Toss can have his partner help him to turtle up until he has a handful of Carriers and a Mothership. This is a major pain to deal with. If Thors were buffed to the point where they were actually useful vs Carriers, maybe this would help. As it is now, Thors don't seem to make sense unless you are up against a good-sized muta cloud.