Here we go again! The GSL round of 32 is over and we had the pleasure to watch quite a few other tournaments as well. (like "the loser strikes back, IEM qualifiers, WESG, etc). I think it is time again to do our best and create a power rank which doesn't need to hide behind the official TL one I hope a lot of you participate
To be clear: The list should reflect your opinion on the current strength of players.
What i want you to do:
Post your own power ranking in this thread, 10 players only, sorted by their current strength in LOTV. I will only count 'serious' lists, putting in Boxer won't do it.
New: Also pls TLPD-ize your lists, i will only count lists which are formatted that way!
So how would it work?
It's pretty simple, just post your top 10 in this thread. I will go through every post and add the points up. The point distribution will be like that:
1. place = 10 points 2. place = 9 points 3. place = 8 points etc.
How much time do i have to post the list?
You will have two weeks, which means i will count every list which is posted till February 11. (Time left to make a list: )
Feel free to discuss your rankings in this thread, if you have extra passion you also can write a short text for your favorite player and post it in here as well (it would be used for the final standings)
Reminder: You can change your list as often as you like, but i will only count the first list you posted in this thread (which means you should edit your post )
On January 28 2017 02:54 Elentos wrote: I'll post my list after the IEM qualifiers are done.
Yeah i thought about it, but people can still redo their lists/fine tune it a bit till the deadline so i thought why not open it now. The deadline MIGHT change a bit though, i dislike that we see the first ro16 group of GSL before it, not entirely sure yet
On January 28 2017 03:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Very likely to change repeatedly in the next two weeks. With so many now taking part in online cups and the recent qualifiers, everyone is having volatile results. The only one that seems to be rigidly locked in their spot and unlikely to change is #1...
Nothing needs to be said about Bogus. Maru almost won WESG, easily made it out of his GSL group, and just has insane stats. To a Lesser extent the same can be said of soO. ByuN failed in GSL but still looks strong elsewhere. herO has quietly been the best Protoss as of late. ByuL is someone who looked like a solid #2 (lel) at the opening of this year but lately he's looking mediocre again. Stats is the most volatile player on this list. TY won WESG and made it out of his gsl group. Dark is overrated and I'm going to peg as going out in the ro16. aLive
Why do you have the guy who won WESG six spots behind the guy he beat in the finals? Shouldn't they be closer?
They were also in the same bracket for the IEM NA qualifier and you can go look up who made it out of that one
On January 28 2017 03:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Very likely to change repeatedly in the next two weeks. With so many now taking part in online cups and the recent qualifiers, everyone is having volatile results. The only one that seems to be rigidly locked in their spot and unlikely to change is #1...
Nothing needs to be said about Bogus. Maru almost won WESG, easily made it out of his GSL group, and just has insane stats. To a Lesser extent the same can be said of soO. ByuN failed in GSL but still looks strong elsewhere. herO has quietly been the best Protoss as of late. ByuL is someone who looked like a solid #2 (lel) at the opening of this year but lately he's looking mediocre again. Stats is the most volatile player on this list. TY won WESG and made it out of his gsl group. Dark is overrated and I'm going to peg as going out in the ro16. aLive
Why do you have the guy who won WESG six spots behind the guy he beat in the finals? Shouldn't they be closer?
They were also in the same bracket for the IEM NA qualifier and you can go look up who made it out of that one
I'm going as far back as patch 3.8 in November. Reasonable timeframe and a massive patch to draw the line at. In that time Maru just has had better results overall compared to TY.
The win% and sample size is comparable but Maru has gone up against superior competition. Even in WESG, TY barely won over Maru and leading up to the finals Maru dropped no maps. Maru making a decent run in IEM Gyeonggi (of which TY was a big absence) and obliterating Dear and ByuL in The Loser Strikes Back is a huge diverging factor.
As for how I managed to also stick 5 people between them...
all of those people also made good showings at IEM Gyeonggi and/or have been posting great results in online cups that have way stronger competition in them than WESG.
To make a Top 10 player list you really need to figure out who the best at every race is first and then make the list how you think they would win against each other. With this list, I'll do the Top 5 of every race (which should be enough to give me a Top 10 overall)
Sooo...with those 15 players (their best of their race currently) we can now make a list of those 15 players and narrow it down to the best 10 players.
Innovation Byun and Maru all look completely dominant (but not perfect) and are interchangeable. aLive is a dark horse in everything he enters and just went through Inno, Maru, Byun and Zest to qualify for IEM. TY is certainly great but beyond WESG I'm waiting for him to crush more than just one tournament. Dark is the only Zerg (besides soo) who regularly contends with everyone else in the top of the skill brackets. Gumiho is a bit like aLive with brief flashes of dominance and never not a contender, but usually loses to the best of the best in the end. Stats came out of the group of Death over Byun, Bunny and KeeN came out of group putting down Zest and Rogue. Just beyond #10 are Classic, Soo, Solar, Sos, herO, and Ryung.
This thread is depressing because it makes me realize that while I watch games quite often, I don't even know who is good anymore.
I would probably put Innovation 10 times and then go cry in a corner because not only I don't know who else to write but also the only player I have any idea about currently is the one I always mildly disliked. Then I will cry even more after realizing that "mild dislike" is the strongest emotion I have felt about SC2 in a long time.
I mainly used GSL results, Nation Wars, WESG, IEM qualifiers plus a bit of aligulac. ByuN shat the bed hard but was on top of the world until at least Blizzcon so I still let him in the top 10 because I think he still has it in him, however no top 5 for him.
Between Maru, INno and TY it was hard, TY won WESG but lost to Maru in the IEM qualifier and has the worst aligulac rating among those three... INno was strong but he couldn't defeat aLive and had some harsh losses in Nation Wars and some online tourneys. Maru has an insane aligulac rating and topped his GSL group so there he is, #1.
aLive is #9 mainly because of his recent results (he just qualified for IEM as I am typing), very good TvT result wise but he is still shaky in other match-ups so I don't put him super high either.
Classic is not talked about a lot on this thread but I think he is the #2 protoss currently, super solid yet goes a bit unnoticed :o.
Just missed it: Solar, Classic, the second-tier terrans.
Oh man, Maru has so many fanboys... To be fair, the three top Terrans are close. But it has to go to the guys who won IEM Gyeonggi and WESG. All three topped their GSL groups. And Maru failed to qualify for IEM in three tries, even after getting a seed for the final korean qualifier gifted to him. Maru still has shown very little in LOTV aside from Bo1's.
I really don't understand those who don't have Dark near the top. Best zerg in the world for all of LOTV, and the only player to be at finals of every season including Blizzcon.
Zest is looks to be getting back in form. And made it through to IEM with his back against the wall - hopefully he is over his big tilt.
On January 29 2017 02:28 MockHamill wrote: 1, Maru 2. INnoVation 3. ByuN 4. TY 5. Nerchio 6. Dark 7. herO 8. Solar 9. Neeb 10. Snute
Copying the Aligulac top 10 should count as a troll list
I mean if it is not TLPD-ized it doesn't count anyway Other than that i am counting any list which isn't extremely obvious trolling (like picking players who don't play anymore)
On January 29 2017 02:54 HolydaKing wrote: People use herO[join] for herO before you TLPD-ize if you don't want ex-liquid HerO to count, lol. Seen it quite a few times already.
Ah yeah i noticed it as well, but let's be honest everybody means herO anyway :D
On January 29 2017 02:54 HolydaKing wrote: People use herO[join] for herO before you TLPD-ize if you don't want ex-liquid HerO to count, lol. Seen it quite a few times already.
Ah yeah i noticed it as well, but let's be honest everybody means herO anyway :D
Well, someone could troll the ranking and rank both of them.
I don't think much needs to be said about INnoVation at this point. Maru has insane stats and had some really good runs. Sure, he lost to TY in WESG, but that's TY in TvT... I would favour TY any day... Dark has been the Zerg to go against the big Terran powerhouses and even win in a T favoured meta. TY - the legacy of Flash, I want you to win GSL this season! herO is not talked about much, but probably is the best P currently. soO is the other Zerg to consistently play well and he dominated in his GSL group (despite Tastosis hyping up Billowy). aLive... wtf aLive... that man just never goes away... ByuL looked better at the beginnig of the year, but still overall looks to be super-solid. The same applies to Stats but they can't share so I jut put him below ByuL because he doesn't have such an impressive chin. ByuN seems to have fallen off recently but still is one of the best around.
I felt bad for excluding these players off the list so I put in an honorable mentions section. Classic just continues to impress me lately (apart from the IEM EU qualifiers - latency is a bitch). KeeN has been exceeding expectations from anyone and winning some huge series against great players. Solar too. Zest had a huge problem with PvT but it seems to be that he is getting back into shape. I can't wait to see eht he does next season. Bunny is killing it.
The top 3 terrans are a no-brainer at this point in the 2017 season. Dark still seemed to outclass the competition more than ByuL did, but the talk of ByuL actually being the #1 zerg is an interesting claim to follow up on. The big surprise to me was how insecure ByuN looked in the Ro32 in GSL. Even after his first match, which he won, he shook his head and looked utterly defeated. Also Zest not even making the cut comes as a bit of a shock. The other protosses have just made a better impression recently.
[Edit]: Fixed wrong link for ByuL. Thanks for pointing that out
The top 3 terrans are a no-brainer at this point in the 2017 season. Dark still seemed to outclass the competition more than ByuL did, but the talk of ByuL actually being the #1 zerg is an interesting claim to follow up on. The big surprise to me was how insecure ByuN looked in the Ro32 in GSL. Even after his first match, which he won, he shook his head and looked utterly defeated. Also Zest not even making the cut comes as a bit of a shock. The other protosses have just made a better impression recently.
The top 3 terrans are a no-brainer at this point in the 2017 season. Dark still seemed to outclass the competition more than ByuL did, but the talk of ByuL actually being the #1 zerg is an interesting claim to follow up on. The big surprise to me was how insecure ByuN looked in the Ro32 in GSL. Even after his first match, which he won, he shook his head and looked utterly defeated. Also Zest not even making the cut comes as a bit of a shock. The other protosses have just made a better impression recently.
1. INnoVation Now that ByuN has abdicated the throne of Terran, it falls to his daisenpai to lead their people into the new meta. And lead he has. Since the latest patch, INnoVation has taken first place at Gyeonggi, carried his country to victory in NationWars, and decisively defeated Classic, herO, Stats, soO, ByuL, and Dark in at least one series.
Of course, he is not without competition. Two other Terran titans, Maru and TY, have also risen to replace the fading ByuN. But even in such illustrious company, INnoVation is without peer. He has won more difficult tournaments (IEM vs WESG), played in more competitive matches (270 to Maru’s 104 and TY’s 61) and boasts a superior winrate (over 70% in all matchups) compared to both of his rivals.
In testament to his unquestioned supremacy, INnoVation was forced to withdraw from the sixth week of the GSL king-of-the-hill tourney ‘The Loser Strikes Back’ yesterday morning, despite his status as the current champion. Because after even the mighty Dark failed to unseat him, the tournament organizers could not find anyone brave enough to challenge him for the title.
The Machine bestrides the narrow world like a Colossus (except more Terran-y). And his petty challengers walk under his huge legs and peep about to find themselves dishonorable graves.
2. Dark The greatest of all Zerg, Dark shoulders the burden of leading the Swarm once again in 2017. Though he has not exactly covered himself in glory thus far, Dark has nonetheless put up very respectable results and his fearsome mechanics remain as sharp as ever. Putting that talent to use has earned him the distinction of being the only player capable of regularly taking on his former teammate INnoVation in a standard game–and winning.
Strangely, he has for the most part declined to display his formidable prowess by participating in many of the smaller offline events patronized by his compatriots. Perhaps he feels his time is better spent preparing in secret for the larger offline tournaments, or he doesn’t believe the comparatively small prize pools are worth competing for. Whatever his reasons, Dark looms on the horizon as GSL and IEM approach, a formidable bulwark against any who would dare seek the trophy.
Even the greatest of champions tread warily as their day wanes. For the night is Dark, and full of terrors.
Composing such grandiloquent panegyrics is tedious as well as pretentious, so most of the rest are more succinct.
3. Maru A pretty good Terran, or so I hear. Also adorable.
4. TY Of all the people unhappy with the new year and new uncertainty in Starcraft, TY is not one of them. One of the easiest professional tournaments in his career turned into one of the hardest fights of his life–but rewarded him with one of the biggest windfalls of his time.
Despite having seized his first championship on the international stage, TY has barely whetted his appetite and hunts restlessly for another chance at glory.
Challengers beware. Those who fly too close to the Sun have a long way to fall.
5. herO[jOin] CJ_Entus-turned-ROOT_Gaming, herO has risen above his peers in this Protoss-unfriendly meta. His remarkable success against Terran while Stats, Zest, and Classic have floundered earn him this spot as first among the Firstborn.
Don’t let the team fool you. He’s just a hero for fun.
6. ByuL Haven’t seen this dude since 2015. But they say he’s really killing it these days.
7. soO King of the Kongs, soO has risen far indeed, but never quite far enough. 2017 has begun with promise, but then again, so did 2014. And we all know how that turned out….
Oh my god! SoO has lost again!
8. Stats Very good, but not great. It’s impossible to deny that Stats is a highly skilled player. But you would never know it by looking at his trophy cabinet. Actually, forget the cabinet. He needs more than one trophy to display, or else he’ll just be drawing attention to those glaringly empty shelves.
9. ByuN The meteoric ascent of ByuN in late 2016 was heralded as the birth of a new star, a momentous occasion that defied all expectations and overcame all odds. After his fairytale back-to-back victories at GSL and Blizzcon, nobody doubted that ByuN was the greatest player in the world. Having ascended to the throne of Terran, he looked poised to sweep aside what feeble opposition remained and continue his glorious reign well into 2017.
Then everything fell apart. Losing to Dark at IEM was acceptable, unsurprising even. A close series, a critical fungal, and he fell against an opponent that all agreed was the best Zerg around. Perfectly understandable, they said. Losing to Scarlett, losing to Scarlett again, was….less so. Cracks in ByuN’s reign sprang up, spurred on by a further smattering of online losses and the concurrent rise of three other would-be Terrain kings. His loyal legions of fans leapt to his defense, papering over the cracks in his reign, but an undercurrent of anxiety ran through the scene and the ByuN monarchy settled into an uneasy Terran Tetrarchy. With drops of his blood in the water and his supremacy in doubt, ByuN entered GSL ready to stamp out all dissent, to once again prove himself the undisputed king.
Instead, tears joined the blood, and star of ByuN’s crusade through GSL imploded before it even ignited. A few days later, he lost to Nerchio in a prolonged series, and it seemed that the age of ByuN was well and truly over. But only a few days later, he successfully qualified for IEM Katowice and will be heading to Poland for a last shot at redemption. Can ByuN rise again?
10. Zest Zest is best? Not so much anymore. After being knocked out of GSL in the Ro32, the most handsome player seemed destined for a year of obscurity. His shaky performance against barely-known foreigners did little to contradict the predictions of gloom and doom.
But Zest refused to fall so disgracefully. Clawing his way back, he demonstrated his revamped PvT online before seizing a spot at Katowice and squeezing onto the end of this list. The jury’s still out on whether he’ll deliver, but for now at least, Zest is best enough for #10. Just barely.
I actually used something resembling a system to rank them. Zest, ByuN and Solar just barely missed the top 10 because of their early GSL failures.
What system did you use? :D
Basically, a point system where I first judged all the players I took into consideration for top 10 of their race (mostly Code S players). I judged their vT, vZ and vP skills (by results and how the games looked) comparatively to the other players of their race. Then I added in additional points for how well the players' skills and the current meta align (at least in my eyes), e.g. a player with high skill and confidence against Terran in a meta that will cause him to play many Terrans would get more points than someone who struggles against Terran. Then I fucked over some people by deducting points for early exits in GSL because I felt like it.
I took the top 15 by scores, broke ties in ways that may or may not make sense and narrowed it down to top 10. And as I said, Zest, ByuN and Solar missed out on top 10 exactly because I punished them for dropping out of GSL.
Despite all the tomfoolery it came out a lot closer to reality than what I thought it would be.
I see, i think having some kind of fixed point system is pretty good actually. While the weighing may be off, at least it affects every player about the same. And yeah your list looks decent i think, have to think about mine soonish :D
I actually used something resembling a system to rank them. Zest, ByuN and Solar just barely missed the top 10 because of their early GSL failures.
What system did you use? :D
Basically, a point system where I first judged all the players I took into consideration for top 10 of their race (mostly Code S players). I judged their vT, vZ and vP skills (by results and how the games looked) comparatively to the other players of their race. Then I added in additional points for how well the players' skills and the current meta align (at least in my eyes), e.g. a player with high skill and confidence against Terran in a meta that will cause him to play many Terrans would get more points than someone who struggles against Terran. Then I fucked over some people by deducting points for early exits in GSL because I felt like it.
I took the top 15 by scores, broke ties in ways that may or may not make sense and narrowed it down to top 10. And as I said, Zest, ByuN and Solar missed out on top 10 exactly because I punished them for dropping out of GSL.
Despite all the tomfoolery it came out a lot closer to reality than what I thought it would be.
How far back are you judging? I don't see how TY comes out ahead of Maru and ByuL at all. Those two have him beat in terms of sample size, level of competition, and imo they both look better overall.
I actually used something resembling a system to rank them. Zest, ByuN and Solar just barely missed the top 10 because of their early GSL failures.
What system did you use? :D
Basically, a point system where I first judged all the players I took into consideration for top 10 of their race (mostly Code S players). I judged their vT, vZ and vP skills (by results and how the games looked) comparatively to the other players of their race. Then I added in additional points for how well the players' skills and the current meta align (at least in my eyes), e.g. a player with high skill and confidence against Terran in a meta that will cause him to play many Terrans would get more points than someone who struggles against Terran. Then I fucked over some people by deducting points for early exits in GSL because I felt like it.
I took the top 15 by scores, broke ties in ways that may or may not make sense and narrowed it down to top 10. And as I said, Zest, ByuN and Solar missed out on top 10 exactly because I punished them for dropping out of GSL.
Despite all the tomfoolery it came out a lot closer to reality than what I thought it would be.
How far back are you judging? I don't see how TY comes out ahead of Maru and ByuL at all. Those two have him beat in terms of sample size, level of competition, and imo they both look better overall.
I actually used something resembling a system to rank them. Zest, ByuN and Solar just barely missed the top 10 because of their early GSL failures.
What system did you use? :D
Basically, a point system where I first judged all the players I took into consideration for top 10 of their race (mostly Code S players). I judged their vT, vZ and vP skills (by results and how the games looked) comparatively to the other players of their race. Then I added in additional points for how well the players' skills and the current meta align (at least in my eyes), e.g. a player with high skill and confidence against Terran in a meta that will cause him to play many Terrans would get more points than someone who struggles against Terran. Then I fucked over some people by deducting points for early exits in GSL because I felt like it.
I took the top 15 by scores, broke ties in ways that may or may not make sense and narrowed it down to top 10. And as I said, Zest, ByuN and Solar missed out on top 10 exactly because I punished them for dropping out of GSL.
Despite all the tomfoolery it came out a lot closer to reality than what I thought it would be.
How far back are you judging? I don't see how TY comes out ahead of Maru and ByuL at all. Those two have him beat in terms of sample size, level of competition, and imo they both look better overall.
I ignored everything that happened before January. It's no longer indicative of their actual form. That's also why Stats is so far down.
As for that particular set of players, well, it ended up as a 3-way tie on my Sheet of Judgement™. I didn't think I'd be allowed to put 3 players at rank 4 so I broke the tie. But honestly the exact order of those 3 doesn't really matter to me.
On February 02 2017 08:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: How far back are you judging? I don't see how TY comes out ahead of Maru and ByuL at all. Those two have him beat in terms of sample size, level of competition, and imo they both look better overall.
I for one don't get why Maru is consistently ranked so high in these power rankings. He has struggled for most of LOTV outside of Bo1-series, he has trouble making it deep or even qualifying for the big offline tournaments.
I made an overview of the four top Terrans in major LOTV tournaments:
(- = not qualified)
I do agree that Maru is very strong at the moment (I did rank him the third best terran in this poll). But he is definitely vulnerable which his failing to qualify for IEM shows. And surely the tie between TY and Maru should be decided by TY beating Maru in the WESG finals?
On February 02 2017 08:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: How far back are you judging? I don't see how TY comes out ahead of Maru and ByuL at all. Those two have him beat in terms of sample size, level of competition, and imo they both look better overall.
I for one don't get why Maru is consistently ranked so high in these power rankings. He has struggled for most of LOTV outside of Bo1-series, he has trouble making it deep or even qualifying for the big offline tournaments.
I made an overview of the four top Terrans in major LOTV tournaments:
(- = not qualified)
I do agree that Maru is very strong at the moment (I did rank him the third best terran in this poll). But he is definitely vulnerable which his failing to qualify for IEM shows. And surely the tie between TY and Maru should be decided by TY beating Maru in the WESG finals?
I didn't understand why Maru had such a high ranking as well... But somehow I ended up on the liquipedia pages of GSL Loser Strikes Back and well... he deserves the hype xD. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSLTV_The_Loser_Strikes_Back/Week_3#Bracket Too bad we don't see 8+ maps matches often, it's amazing how bad someone who is mentally broken from a 3-0 or 4-0 loss will play when they have to keep playing after being destroyed... Some manage to fight back however (Patience vs INnovation, from 1-4 to 5-6) and it's amazing as well.
ByuN had a nice run in IEM qualifier, I don't regret leaving him in the top 10 even tho he lost a lot recently.
On February 02 2017 08:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: How far back are you judging? I don't see how TY comes out ahead of Maru and ByuL at all. Those two have him beat in terms of sample size, level of competition, and imo they both look better overall.
I for one don't get why Maru is consistently ranked so high in these power rankings. He has struggled for most of LOTV outside of Bo1-series, he has trouble making it deep or even qualifying for the big offline tournaments.
I made an overview of the four top Terrans in major LOTV tournaments:
(- = not qualified)
I do agree that Maru is very strong at the moment (I did rank him the third best terran in this poll). But he is definitely vulnerable which his failing to qualify for IEM shows. And surely the tie between TY and Maru should be decided by TY beating Maru in the WESG finals?
For all of LotV, sure. But these rankings are always based more of recent results. For me, I think patch 3.8 is the most reasonable point to begin at. It was a major patch, the holiday season gave us less to go on to determine the form of the players, and a little over 2 months isn't too large of a period to judge current form imo.
Even just examining WESG, I think Maru looked better. Sure he lost the final (and barely at that) but he had better run throughout. He dropped no maps and faced tougher foreigners leading up to the final.
edit: Dark is way higher than soO in my ranking, though I think soO and Inno will be advancing from group Ohana in the GSL. soO is too good with tactics in series to be counted out. edit2: ByuL is malperforming and Solar is stepping up his game.
On February 02 2017 08:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: How far back are you judging? I don't see how TY comes out ahead of Maru and ByuL at all. Those two have him beat in terms of sample size, level of competition, and imo they both look better overall.
I for one don't get why Maru is consistently ranked so high in these power rankings. He has struggled for most of LOTV outside of Bo1-series, he has trouble making it deep or even qualifying for the big offline tournaments.
I made an overview of the four top Terrans in major LOTV tournaments:
(- = not qualified)
I do agree that Maru is very strong at the moment (I did rank him the third best terran in this poll). But he is definitely vulnerable which his failing to qualify for IEM shows. And surely the tie between TY and Maru should be decided by TY beating Maru in the WESG finals?
Even just examining WESG, I think Maru looked better. Sure he lost the final (and barely at that) but he had better run throughout. He dropped no maps and faced tougher foreigners leading up to the final.
Did he really though? I mean TY only lost one map to Showtime (excluding a couple irrelevent games vs Kela), but won an extra game vs Maru in the finals. Although Maru did go through Nerch/scarlett/Showtime which were harder opponents, I believe TY would likely 3-0 most of those as well anyway.
edit: maru did look more dominant against the foriegners but thats his style of play showing. TY is always the more careful player
Guys we really need more lists :/ It would be fun to see TL writers, etc post in here as well tbh, i could even do two different versions that way: Whole community list vs TL list
On February 11 2017 11:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok this time the participation was kinda low, i wonder why that is ? :/ Nobody actually interested in the concept anymore? Hmmm
The participation doesn't seem that much lower than the last non-Blizzcon ones to be honest, but I didn't bother counting so Idk the actual difference.
It's not too bad but i prefer more participation for sure :D And yeah a reddit post might be a good idea actually never done one for this.
What do you think about the PR though? I guess after the group of death Dark would have been lower and soO probably a bit higher. Does look solid though, the exact rank is always pretty hard to determine
On February 14 2017 09:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's not too bad but i prefer more participation for sure :D And yeah a reddit post might be a good idea actually never done one for this.
What do you think about the PR though? I guess after the group of death Dark would have been lower and soO probably a bit higher. Does look solid though, the exact rank is always pretty hard to determine
On February 14 2017 09:24 The_Red_Viper wrote: It's not too bad but i prefer more participation for sure :D And yeah a reddit post might be a good idea actually never done one for this.
What do you think about the PR though? I guess after the group of death Dark would have been lower and soO probably a bit higher. Does look solid though, the exact rank is always pretty hard to determine
Not enough Flash.
I mean we can do one for BW as well But in BW we still get PRs from writers
Dark's elimination seems to really be a shock to everyone haha. Also I actually expected Zest to be in the honorable mentions list since many people had him at 9 or 10 but looks like his early elimination at GSL is really pushing his ranks down
EPT
Solar (46 pts) and 
aLive (48) 
Classic ⇔ NEW![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VzU5grU.jpg)
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