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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 27 2017 14:19 GMT
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
January 27 2017 14:21 GMT
#2
They should have picked up MCanning.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
January 27 2017 14:26 GMT
#3
Not bad, not bad.

But as long as players like Dark, TY and Zest are still teamless our mission isn't complete.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 27 2017 14:31 GMT
#4
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
January 27 2017 14:37 GMT
#5
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?
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kugHop
Profile Joined January 2016
Luxembourg44 Posts
January 27 2017 14:37 GMT
#6
Really nice for him, especially after his half-revival recently!!

The reason he gets picked up and not the big hitters is probably because he is ready to settle for lower wages, probably used to less. (Now I'm not saying this to be mean or discriminate any of my heroes, I just try to come up with explanations)
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 27 2017 14:39 GMT
#7
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
January 27 2017 14:45 GMT
#8
On January 27 2017 23:39 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.

Though tbf from what CatZ said about herO's salary at least he doesn't seem like he had unreasonable expectations.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16017 Posts
January 27 2017 14:46 GMT
#9
On January 27 2017 23:39 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.

but I wonder why those players don't lower their expectations then. I mean, a low salary is still better than no salary at all.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 27 2017 14:46 GMT
#10
On January 27 2017 23:39 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.

I think they must understand at some level or another that those days are gone, too.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 14:50:56
January 27 2017 14:50 GMT
#11
On January 27 2017 23:46 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:39 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.

I think they must understand at some level or another that those days are gone, too.


On January 27 2017 23:46 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:39 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.

but I wonder why those players don't lower their expectations then. I mean, a low salary is still better than no salary at all.


I'm sure they will lower their expectations more and more, but for now they are still holding off, in case the biggest offer has not come in yet. I don't think they will be teamless for the rest of the year. Maybe some personal sponsorships too.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 14:53:15
January 27 2017 14:52 GMT
#12
Also a thing to consider I guess is that for example TY said after winning WESG that he hadn't really thought about joining a new team. He wasn't even really on the market per se until 2 weeks ago.

Most of them probably aren't that desperate yet or else they could have probably all joined isIMBA by now
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 27 2017 14:54 GMT
#13
I wonder if that's because:

1) these players are retiring soon
2) these players make enough money from tournaments to justify continuing to be a pro (unlikely)
3) they're waiting on better offers
4) they're doing stuff on the side and pushing SC2 to a lower priority
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lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
391 Posts
January 27 2017 14:57 GMT
#14
Those who haven't retired yet don't seem to be in the mood though.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 14:58:32
January 27 2017 14:57 GMT
#15
Well TY for instance doesn't have to worry about money for another year at least. So there's no reason for him to accept an offer he feels is beneath him.

Others, like Innovation, are making fairly regular money from online tourneys, and can reasonably expect to get a decent payout from big tournaments like GSL/Katowice.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 27 2017 15:02 GMT
#16
The thing about winning big tournaments like TY is that TY doesn't have to worry much about money, but there aren't so many of them that you can sustain a living off doing it without some other source of income.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 15:13:53
January 27 2017 15:10 GMT
#17
On January 28 2017 00:02 intotheheart wrote:
The thing about winning big tournaments like TY is that TY doesn't have to worry much about money, but there aren't so many of them that you can sustain a living off doing it without some other source of income.

Well I think between streaming and tournaments (online ones add up too) it should be sustainable for a decent amount of players.

It's kind of weird that teams will invest in random games that get significantly worse viewership than SC2 does though and still completely ignore StarCraft, I assume that a lot of those other games come cheap in comparison to the expectations that StarCraft players have but that certainly isn't always the case. Some of it is probably built on hoping you latch on to the next big thing, which SC2 clearly will never be? You'd think picking up the odd SC player here or there would be worth it though, it's not like you have to fund an entire team or teamhouse.
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Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
January 27 2017 15:30 GMT
#18
On January 27 2017 23:54 intotheheart wrote:
2) these players make enough money from tournaments to justify continuing to be a pro (unlikely)


Dark, TY and Inno make more than enough money from cash prize to live comfortably
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XiZeL
Profile Joined July 2014
Switzerland92 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 15:51:35
January 27 2017 15:49 GMT
#19
On January 27 2017 23:46 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:39 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.

but I wonder why those players don't lower their expectations then. I mean, a low salary is still better than no salary at all.


this leads me to believe that the teams must take a share in their tournament earnings, and this must be negotiated in the contract. the big guns must consider they can make more off tournament prize money that the salary offered by these teams.
Maybe they are also being motivated by Byun's recent success being teamless. pushing them to have results to survive as opposed to being in their comfort zone with a salary.
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Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
January 27 2017 16:15 GMT
#20
On January 27 2017 23:45 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2017 23:39 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:31 Musicus wrote:
Congrats, but I really wonder when the big boys will be picked up.

Realistically though, how many teams could afford them? ROOT (they already have herO though), dPix, TL, expert, Splyce, Psistorm, mYinsanity could be candidates for names like Dark or Inno. But are they interested? Can they reach agreements?

Who knows, right?

Yeah true, I'm sure they got a lot of offers, but they weren't satisfied since they are used to KT/SKT money. Splyce probably pays enough, but won't be investing in more players for now.

Though tbf from what CatZ said about herO's salary at least he doesn't seem like he had unreasonable expectations.

What did CatZ say about herO's salary? I'm curious.
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