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bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
January 10 2017 04:01 GMT
#61
Looks and sounds really good, this seems like a really great tool to get new users into a higher depth of understanding when playing SC2. Awesome!
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A_Scarecrow
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia721 Posts
January 10 2017 05:24 GMT
#62
On January 10 2017 02:24 billynasty wrote:
As far as i know this tool has been out for awhile now, & according to what i just read, the only thing that appears new about it is that it will now be featured on teamliquid? I 1st learned of this tool on teamliquid weeks ago, but now it has a cool new label on it of 'partnered with teamliquid'. Cool. Hope it helps new players

been out for months. tried it when first released didnt like it much. might be better now, bit buggy back then.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4178 Posts
January 10 2017 05:41 GMT
#63
This sounds really promising. I think a lot of problems for new players in RTS is that a lot of the variety in effective strategies of how you approach every game isnt as blatant as like, picking a certain hero or a going a certain item build.

This is cool
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
January 10 2017 07:15 GMT
#64
Wonderful. Absolutely wonderful.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
XiZeL
Profile Joined July 2014
Switzerland92 Posts
January 10 2017 07:25 GMT
#65
(Z)Lowko would be also a good partner for this i think
I watch more starcraft than i play it
adMachine
Profile Joined February 2013
Australia54 Posts
January 10 2017 08:08 GMT
#66
Will you do a build guide to avilos 50 minute raven turtle in every match up?
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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 10 2017 08:15 GMT
#67
I'm sure whoever made the tool was a big fan.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
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Liquid`TLO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany767 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-10 09:44:34
January 10 2017 09:44 GMT
#68
On January 10 2017 06:01 DeathSoror wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 05:46 Liquid`TLO wrote:
How do I create a build for it?


You can create and publish builds from our website http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/ . They will automatically be published in the overwolf overlay as well.

It can be a bit laborious to put in all of the steps, times, and supplies, so if you have replays, you can also upload those and then use the "copy this build" button to automatically extract those.

Let us know if you have any difficulty with it! I'm sure many Zerg players out there would love to see and follow your builds.


How long does it take until a replay shows up that you uploaded?

Edit: NVM I'm stupid
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Liquid`TLO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany767 Posts
January 10 2017 10:40 GMT
#69
Just published my first build! Go on Zergs, make Protoss players miserable.

http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/42811/
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Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
January 10 2017 11:07 GMT
#70
On January 10 2017 19:40 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Just published my first build! Go on Zergs, make Protoss players miserable.

http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/42811/


Thanks for taking part in this, will check it out.

But everyone knows that you can't follow TLO's build orders. Our brain might explode.
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
Liquid`TLO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany767 Posts
January 10 2017 14:09 GMT
#71
On January 10 2017 20:07 Cosmos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 19:40 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Just published my first build! Go on Zergs, make Protoss players miserable.

http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/42811/


Thanks for taking part in this, will check it out.

But everyone knows that you can't follow TLO's build orders. Our brain might explode.


Haha no problem, btw I noticed that when you click on an link in the description it opens up in your app but there's no way to return to the app. I just got stuck on imgur. I think being able to add pictures is pretty important

I would also recommend the ''hot'' tab to the default one rather than the ''top'' one. There's no real use seeing the top of all time builds again and again.
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zelderan
Profile Joined May 2013
United States163 Posts
January 10 2017 14:32 GMT
#72
Absolutely fantastic! Love to see this kind of stuff from the community. Love you, PiG!!
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
January 10 2017 15:44 GMT
#73
On January 10 2017 07:15 reneg wrote:
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On January 10 2017 07:03 KeksX wrote:
I feel like most of the builds there get completely wrecked in the current EU meta. The tool is nice though!


Fortunately, they say that you can add your own just by pushing it out to their website!

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 06:01 DeathSoror wrote:
On January 10 2017 05:46 Liquid`TLO wrote:
How do I create a build for it?


You can create and publish builds from our website http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/ . They will automatically be published in the overwolf overlay as well.

It can be a bit laborious to put in all of the steps, times, and supplies, so if you have replays, you can also upload those and then use the "copy this build" button to automatically extract those.

Let us know if you have any difficulty with it! I'm sure many Zerg players out there would love to see and follow your builds.



Aah thanks, I somehow read that it was just selected builds shown there. Then it's going to be awesome. Especially with players like TLO contributing :D
Sharkken
Profile Joined October 2012
Jordan141 Posts
January 10 2017 15:50 GMT
#74
Everything in one place AWESOME!! thanks TL and GL to all
Liquid HerO Best Toss in the World
VanCaspel
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands250 Posts
January 10 2017 16:05 GMT
#75
Holy shit, this looks REALLY SWELL! Exactly what I was missing trying to get back into actually playing StarCraft - no up-to-date builds to be found anywhere! And I guess this is slightly better than my trusty post-it-with-build-on-side-of-monitor too...

Will try this out right after I'm back from WESG.
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DeathSoror
Profile Joined March 2010
United States122 Posts
January 10 2017 16:45 GMT
#76
On January 10 2017 07:32 Atokad wrote:
This is a nice tool.

However I did stop using it because as a random player I am unable to start a build fast enough after the start of the match consistently and would miss the "grace period" or whatever it is for syncing up with the in-game clock. I was unable to use the tool on ~75% of my games unless I spam clicked the filters before building a worker and got the selection confirmed in time.

Will there be any grace time extensions or plans for random players to be able to utilize this app?

Thanks


Good question. We're looking into some ways to smooth over the build picking process for any case where you don't know the matchup before the game starts (e.g. playing random, ladder games where your opponents race is shown on the load screen, etc.). We'll keep that in mind!

On January 10 2017 09:03 Alternity wrote:
I've been using this overlay for some time. However, you cannot just select any replay you upload, only the listed 'build orders'. This means most of the builds are already outdated, which is the same problem in the first place....

Basically the spawning tool overlay needs a way to select any replay that's been uploaded to lotv.spawningtool.com.

Once it has that this will be VERY useful, until then not so much sadly.


Yeah, we have partitioned the content between the replays and build orders. In our testing, we found that taking a build order straight from a replay was actually not a very good experience: there are a ton of workers at various steps, the "build" goes on much longer than the core of the game, etc. As such, we limited it to just the published build orders. However, we tried to make it as easy as possible to make a build order from a replay with the "Export as new Build Order" button, which does all the heavy-lifting of getting the steps in. From there, you can clean up the build into something publishable.

On January 10 2017 12:00 TaurinoSC wrote:
I just played 8 games with it.
It didnt feel satisfying there are too many things not working.

My first impression was quite good it looked nice and very clean which is important.
So i Downloaded it, then i noticed it comes with a hole other set of features (Overwolf) which i am not intrested in at all.
Well not a big deal. So i found the Spawning Tool Build Advisor in the Overwolf platform.
Opend it and made a test game vs ai.
I think the Build Order display works very well.
But i noticed that skipped steps dont get marked, when you are beeing pushed forward with gametime as it should be.
The Salt mod from Turtle has a good way of marking it. I hope you can get enought information from the game to do this.

Before the first real game i noted which BO i wanted to play in what MU.
In the loading screen i noticed issues with the overlay not reacting or reacting with big dealy.
When the game started i was able to choose the build with less delay.
Playing was just fine. Making the overlay smaller/transparent would be nice.
But when the build was finshed and the overlay started over again, i noticed a big spike.
So then i closed the build overlay this lead to another spike. Probably not network but i didnt have the sc2 stats on.

In the next load screen when i tried to choose my next build a 30 second video ad played.
This lead to me lagging the first few seconds after the game started because my connection is shit....
You can "skip" this ad by choosing your build faster but i still had reading to do.
I had trouble finding a good spot for the overlay. Small hint dont "stick" it to the border you will not be able to side scroll.
while throwing it around it a bit i noticed corresponding spikes/fps drops .
So just let it be dont touch it and it will work just fine.
But dont be too exited most build are really inconsistent in the beginning they might display scvs but will randomly stop displaying them even when they are still "part" of the build.
The spawning tool build orders are just a rough outline sometimes to rough to play them without understanding how the build will work. Sadly not noob frendly at all (at the moment).
I think it will be hard to create a usefull standart that people will stick to.
Beeing able to get the exact build Order out of a pro Replay would fix this issue.
I tried 8 builds 3 of them were "playable" at masters level but had me making bad mistakes because they where inconsistent. And the other 5 were straight up to old/bad to be usefull. You can import Replays to Salt encoding it has to give a way to do it here too.

TLDR:

Looks nice and works somewhat but comes with 3rd party platform.
Has "minor" fps and crash/restart issues.
Overlay blocks big part of visible screen
Most available build orders are not complete, well thought out or consistent.
There is a dire need for more information about how to use your stuff to make a bo playable on the first go.
No replay import, or saving of a build order implemented.

but overall could be a good starting point.


Appreciate the detailed feedback. A few responses:

1. the poor response on the loading screen is out of our control. Your computer is working really hard to load game content into memory and initialize game state so that the game will start as fast as possible, so everything on your computer is slow during that time (at least until you are done loading and are just waiting for your opponent)
2. we're definitely counting on the community to make sure that there are high quality build orders on the site, so if you find it hard to follow any of them, definitely leave comments on the build on the website at http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/ and hopefully that will be addressed!

On January 10 2017 23:09 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 20:07 Cosmos wrote:
On January 10 2017 19:40 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Just published my first build! Go on Zergs, make Protoss players miserable.

http://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/42811/


Thanks for taking part in this, will check it out.

But everyone knows that you can't follow TLO's build orders. Our brain might explode.


Haha no problem, btw I noticed that when you click on an link in the description it opens up in your app but there's no way to return to the app. I just got stuck on imgur. I think being able to add pictures is pretty important

I would also recommend the ''hot'' tab to the default one rather than the ''top'' one. There's no real use seeing the top of all time builds again and again.


Thanks for posting the build! Noted the issue with the link. Also agreed on swapping the default sort order. We're excited to see so many people posting current builds, so we should see high quality builds come through there.


Thanks everyone for the enthusiasm and feedback. We definitely have a lot of work ahead to continue to make this work better for you, so please continue to send along any comments here, to me, or Morn_sc, and we will try to make something awesome!
Spawningtoolhttp://spawningtool.com - browse replays by players, maps, build orders, and upload your replays to see build orders
Loddigesia
Profile Joined April 2010
247 Posts
January 10 2017 17:51 GMT
#77
That is really cool!
Never heard of Overwolf before, I really appreciate that it does not need registration to work.

A couple of questions:
  • Would it be possible to place the overlay window on another monitor? currently the window vanishes if I do that
  • Also resize the window? finding it a bit small
  • How does it automatically detect the start of a game? does it read in game memory? Is such a tool accepted by Blizzard?
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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain880 Posts
January 10 2017 21:37 GMT
#78
This is awesome! Back to play random....lots of fun
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
January 10 2017 21:58 GMT
#79
So has anyone perceived any performance dips with this running? If so, how significant? I value my FPS greatly but this is very useful for when practicing a new style/build.
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TheTrenchTier
Profile Joined October 2016
21 Posts
January 11 2017 04:58 GMT
#80
The hotkeys on the spawningtool app were interfering with the hotkeys I have in game. Is there some remedy for this(besides changing my SC2 hotkeys, which I just finished relearning)
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