EPTon a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows
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Carminedust
487 Posts
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On December 24 2016 06:12 Carminedust wrote: this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary). | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On December 24 2016 04:20 stilt wrote: The millenium's bosses have fired Lwl, they totally deserved this fall. The situation is quite telling. You just have to see how many people left right after Lwl left/got fired (don't know exactly which way it went) to see who was respected on Millenium and who was not. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13975 Posts
On December 24 2016 04:19 goswser wrote: I haven't been on Millenium in several years. It was a great team though, they treated their players well and paid decent salaries. Remy is a great guy, and I'm interested to see what his new project is. I'm going to school and have only played casually for a while now :p. well best of luck all the same :D | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3424 Posts
On December 24 2016 06:34 Serimek wrote: Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary). If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On December 24 2016 06:55 True_Spike wrote: If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship. Computers and stuff do cost money. | ||
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
On December 24 2016 06:55 True_Spike wrote: If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship. I mean even in the early 2000's when a friend was playing wc3 he got ~400eu/month with a german team, just being a semi pro with no visibility. HeroMarine is probably worth a lot more these days. Even if he is not full time. For cs 1.6 me and my time had more or less the same amount, and few accessories + what we could grab on LAN. I imagine it is far way more confortable for a real pro in 2016. | ||
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tantalus
69 Posts
On December 24 2016 07:06 Ppjack wrote: I mean even in the early 2000's when a friend was playing wc3 he got ~400eu/month with a german team, just being a semi pro with no visibility. HeroMarine is probably worth a lot more these days. Even if he is not full time. For cs 1.6 me and my time had more or less the same amount, and few accessories + what we could grab on LAN. I imagine it is far way more confortable for a real pro in 2016. Either that or there is so much more saturation that they can't afford as much as we would think. | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
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saltis
159 Posts
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SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On December 24 2016 08:45 saltis wrote: So now when SC2 became less E-sport orientated can we get a remake into casual friendly game where everyone, not just pro and hard core players would enjoy it ? Nope since it has been confirmed by Blizz that next to years it will stay competitive. I wish there was less cusual oriented players tbh.. not in term that ppl should leave, but more people with competitive mindset. | ||
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breaker1328
Canada295 Posts
On December 24 2016 08:45 saltis wrote: So now when SC2 became less E-sport orientated can we get a remake into casual friendly game where everyone, not just pro and hard core players would enjoy it ? This is what arcade, co-op, customs, nova missions, etc is for. | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On December 24 2016 09:29 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Nope since it has been confirmed by Blizz that next to years it will stay competitive. I wish there was less cusual oriented players tbh.. not in term that ppl should leave, but more people with competitive mindset. I feel like this is a tough balance to strike - because while competitive games definitely have their place, and are extremely enjoyable, if it's too competitive, nobody will want to play. People enjoy winning, and I feel like a lot of video games cater to this mindset. Out of the games that are currently popular & competitive, you see a lot of team oriented play. This allows a lot of people to hide their own faults & missteps behind teammates (*I* played fine, if only my 4 teammates hadn't sucked) - whereas SC (in 1v1) focuses on your own misgivings and mistakes. Starcraft is a brutally unforgiving game, and it takes a hell of a mindset to get into a place where you can play it, let alone continue to cultivate an audience to watch it, which, let's be honest, is an incredibly important piece of this puzzle. You're more likely to have engaged audience members when you have a broad playerbase. That's part of what drives LoL and DOTA viewership numbers - the fact that the game is extremely accessible, and a lot of people know how to play (from casual to pro). | ||
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Asarha
France71 Posts
On December 24 2016 08:44 Jj_82 wrote: Does this in any way relate to O'Gaming? (I read the news on aAa, but my french apparently is too limited to understand.) Nope, nothing to do with O'gaming. Llewellys is a monster of E-sport in France. Fact is, there has been a lot of clash between him & the management of Millenium. He already lost some of his work earlier in the year. Millenium has awell known tradition of putting people into boring activities until they leave, cutting them from what they like to do. They did this to him. Problem: almost every one in Millenium's roaster & caster has a deep respect for him. So... the Millenium's e-sport is falling apart. So nothing to do with O'gaming, or nothing I'm aware of and nothing in the A.A.A.'s article. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On December 24 2016 18:34 Asarha wrote: Nope, nothing to do with O'gaming. Llewellys is a monster of E-sport in France. Fact is, there has been a lot of clash between him & the management of Millenium. He already lost some of his work earlier in the year. Millenium has awell known tradition of putting people into boring activities until they leave, cutting them from what they like to do. They did this to him. Problem: almost every one in Millenium's roaster & caster has a deep respect for him. So... the Millenium's e-sport is falling apart. So nothing to do with O'gaming, or nothing I'm aware of and nothing in the A.A.A.'s article. So if I get this right, there was a guy which was cool and kept teams together and around Millenium, and than buck of d*cks just cut him off and with the lack of support from the management and lack of interest ppl just left? | ||
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ultraritmo
France26 Posts
On December 24 2016 18:39 PharaphobiaSC wrote: So if I get this right, there was a guy which was cool and kept teams together and around Millenium, and than buck of d*cks just cut him off and with the lack of support from the management and lack of interest ppl just left? Afaik the HS roster, plus at least showtime for sc2, are leaving so they can stick with him within another structure, which will be announced on Jan 1st. But yes Llewellys was the most respected, and respectable imo, guy out there at Millenium. He put in a lot of work for 7 years now, he was the guy who built the sc2 team back then with Stephano, Tarson, DieStar... and was behind all recruitements since then I believe. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On December 24 2016 18:39 PharaphobiaSC wrote: So if I get this right, there was a guy which was cool and kept teams together and around Millenium, and than buck of d*cks just cut him off and with the lack of support from the management and lack of interest ppl just left? Yes. Basically Millenium has been bought by Webedia, which have lately also bought the biggest videogame website (jeuxvideo.com) and movies website (allociné). In both cases they cut the staff by half, reoriented the news to generate more ad revenues... It's kinda the cancer of website in France to be honest. | ||
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Supter
France382 Posts
On December 24 2016 06:40 Boucot wrote: The situation is quite telling. You just have to see how many people left right after Lwl left/got fired (don't know exactly which way it went) to see who was respected on Millenium and who was not. Lots of people left before because they weren't fond of Lwl (Bob, Tweekz for exemple). It just proves that the situation is more complicated than that  . But I've always loved Lewellys for what he has done for the scene. This guy had faith. He even once said that lol and cs wouldn't work because SC2 would crush them. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On December 24 2016 07:06 Ppjack wrote: I mean even in the early 2000's when a friend was playing wc3 he got ~400eu/month with a german team, just being a semi pro with no visibility. HeroMarine is probably worth a lot more these days. Even if he is not full time. For cs 1.6 me and my time had more or less the same amount, and few accessories + what we could grab on LAN. I imagine it is far way more confortable for a real pro in 2016. I was a semipro in the early 2000's and I can tell you most wc3 team would pay in mouse-pads and computer parts. We were also defrayed for LANs (travelling, lodging) but that's it. GL to Lwl he's a great guy, I personally never liked Millenium much | ||
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