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After a very successful year on  Millenium,  ShoWTimE parts ways with the french organisation. As one of the very best foreign players with great BlizzCon chances, it will be interesting to see which team he will join next.
Edit:  Dayshi also left and it seems Millenium disbanded their sc2 squad.
Some additional info:
On December 24 2016 02:19 Ppjack wrote:
Hearthstone team and entertainers just parted ways, other streamers too, and The WoW guild too.
So far it announces something really bad.
For context: millenium has the blizzcon champion in his heartstone team, and average 4-5k viewers on their channels. Wow guild is one the most french competitive guilds
On December 24 2016 02:47 Boucot wrote:So, ShoWTime will be part of the new Llewellys project (ex Millenium esport manager for 7 years) which will be announced on January 1st and which will include the whole Millenium Hearthstone lineup that just left. EDIT : Millenium will close its whole SC2 section (MarineLorD confirmed the information according to this article) : http://www.team-aaa.com/news-40916-0-1-millenium_ferme_sa_section_sc2.html
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o.O
But where is he going? we need to know
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Whaaaaa... that MUST mean he has gotten a (much) better offer? Please?
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Russian Federation195 Posts
gotta be more french to stay, are you
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Millenium is about to collapse
Hearthstone team and entertainers just parted ways, other streamers too, and The WoW guild too.
So far it announces something really bad.
For context: millenium has the blizzcon champion in his heartstone team, and average 4-5k viewers on their channels. Wow guild is one the most french competitive guilds
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Germany3367 Posts
Come on Liquid, now's the time to grab him, please! ^_^
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millenium is almost losing all of their esport player, not surprising
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Yeah I guess the title will have to be adjusted lol
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On December 24 2016 02:36 Musicus wrote:
Yeah I guess the title will have to be adjusted lol
"millenium leaves showtime and the whole starcraft 2 section"
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On December 24 2016 02:36 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 02:36 Musicus wrote:
Yeah I guess the title will have to be adjusted lol "millenium leaves showtime and the whole starcraft 2 section"
"and Hearthstone and WoW" but I guess that does not belong into sc2 general
so yeah, "Millenium SC2 disbands" maybe
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RIP Millenium 
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They are quitting SC2? Big loss if true.
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On December 24 2016 02:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:They are quitting SC2? Big loss if true.
yea that's quite huge
rip 2010-2016
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On December 24 2016 02:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:They are quitting SC2? Big loss if true.
Apparently they are quitting this entire plain of existence. They got rid of their whole Hearthstone roster too.
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Italy3455 Posts
...unexpected Millenium rip...
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Team Millenium wishing everyone a Merry Christmas in their own special way.
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On December 24 2016 02:47 Boucot wrote:
So, ShoWTime will be part of the new Llewellys project (ex Millenium esport manager for 7 years) which will be announced on January 1st and which will include the whole Millenium Hearthstone lineup that just left.
Whatever he ends up calling this project, I will call it Team Totally Not Millenium
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On December 24 2016 02:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 02:47 Boucot wrote:
So, ShoWTime will be part of the new Llewellys project (ex Millenium esport manager for 7 years) which will be announced on January 1st and which will include the whole Millenium Hearthstone lineup that just left. Whatever he ends up calling this project, I will call it Team Totally Not Millenium
According to aAa (which was right from the beginning) they will reform armaTeam (Llewellys was armaTeam's manager back in the 2000's, with ToD as a WC3 player).
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for what it is worth (excitement ?) rumors state that the departure of Thud from O'gaming could be linked with the new project of the ex-Millenium esport manager Llewelys. That would include at least the HS and sc2 squads as far as we know.
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I remember when Milllenium opened his gaming house ... that's so sad !
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RIP Millenium SC2, thanks for everything (for real)! 
Excited for Llewelly's project - good luck to showtime on there!
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Canada8989 Posts
So Millenium is getting the webmedia treatment and is just collapsing?
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On December 24 2016 03:30 Nakajin wrote:
So Millenium is getting the webmedia treatment and is just collapsing?
yes
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Millenium overall is collapsing, every esport team there is affected
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On December 24 2016 03:30 Nakajin wrote:
So Millenium is getting the webmedia treatment and is just collapsing?
Yes.
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On December 24 2016 02:57 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 02:50 Elentos wrote:On December 24 2016 02:47 Boucot wrote:
So, ShoWTime will be part of the new Llewellys project (ex Millenium esport manager for 7 years) which will be announced on January 1st and which will include the whole Millenium Hearthstone lineup that just left. Whatever he ends up calling this project, I will call it Team Totally Not Millenium According to aAa (which was right from the beginning) they will reform armaTeam (Llewellys was armaTeam's manager back in the 2000's, with ToD as a WC3 player).
Wasn't there rumors of Llewellys/Millenium talking with PSG about an e-sport section to expand operations of this sport club ?
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On December 24 2016 03:44 Cricketer12 wrote:
RIP Goswser
Ah ah ! Seriously, is he still playing some game ?
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On December 24 2016 04:07 Serimek wrote:Ah ah ! Seriously, is he still playing some game ?
Goswser still plays ladder sometimes saw him last night.Also he isn't on Millenium technically he was last on ROOT.
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On December 24 2016 03:44 Cricketer12 wrote:
RIP Goswser
I haven't been on Millenium in several years. It was a great team though, they treated their players well and paid decent salaries. Remy is a great guy, and I'm interested to see what his new project is. I'm going to school and have only played casually for a while now :p.
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The millenium's bosses have fired Lwl, they totally deserved this fall.
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Russian Federation195 Posts
On December 24 2016 02:14 kaby wrote:
gotta be more french to stay, are you
he well, actually gotta be more mainstream for that. well, i guess, they tried.
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sorry to hear. Gg Mil.
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this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows
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On December 24 2016 06:12 Carminedust wrote:
this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows
Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary).
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On December 24 2016 04:20 stilt wrote:
The millenium's bosses have fired Lwl, they totally deserved this fall.
The situation is quite telling. You just have to see how many people left right after Lwl left/got fired (don't know exactly which way it went) to see who was respected on Millenium and who was not.
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On December 24 2016 04:19 goswser wrote:I haven't been on Millenium in several years. It was a great team though, they treated their players well and paid decent salaries. Remy is a great guy, and I'm interested to see what his new project is. I'm going to school and have only played casually for a while now :p.
well best of luck all the same :D
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On December 24 2016 06:34 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 06:12 Carminedust wrote:
this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary).
If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship.
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On December 24 2016 06:55 True_Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 06:34 Serimek wrote:On December 24 2016 06:12 Carminedust wrote:
this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary). If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship.
Computers and stuff do cost money.
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On December 24 2016 06:55 True_Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 06:34 Serimek wrote:On December 24 2016 06:12 Carminedust wrote:
this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary). If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship.
I mean even in the early 2000's when a friend was playing wc3 he got ~400eu/month with a german team, just being a semi pro with no visibility.
HeroMarine is probably worth a lot more these days. Even if he is not full time.
For cs 1.6 me and my time had more or less the same amount, and few accessories + what we could grab on LAN.
I imagine it is far way more confortable for a real pro in 2016.
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On December 24 2016 07:06 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 06:55 True_Spike wrote:On December 24 2016 06:34 Serimek wrote:On December 24 2016 06:12 Carminedust wrote:
this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary). If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship. I mean even in the early 2000's when a friend was playing wc3 he got ~400eu/month with a german team, just being a semi pro with no visibility. HeroMarine is probably worth a lot more these days. Even if he is not full time. For cs 1.6 me and my time had more or less the same amount, and few accessories + what we could grab on LAN. I imagine it is far way more confortable for a real pro in 2016.
Either that or there is so much more saturation that they can't afford as much as we would think.
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Does this in any way relate to O'Gaming? (I read the news on aAa, but my french apparently is too limited to understand.)
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So now when SC2 became less E-sport orientated can we get a remake into casual friendly game where everyone, not just pro and hard core players would enjoy it ?
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On December 24 2016 08:45 saltis wrote:
So now when SC2 became less E-sport orientated can we get a remake into casual friendly game where everyone, not just pro and hard core players would enjoy it ?
Nope since it has been confirmed by Blizz that next to years it will stay competitive. I wish there was less cusual oriented players tbh.. not in term that ppl should leave, but more people with competitive mindset.
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On December 24 2016 08:45 saltis wrote:
So now when SC2 became less E-sport orientated can we get a remake into casual friendly game where everyone, not just pro and hard core players would enjoy it ?
This is what arcade, co-op, customs, nova missions, etc is for.
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On December 24 2016 09:29 PharaphobiaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 08:45 saltis wrote:
So now when SC2 became less E-sport orientated can we get a remake into casual friendly game where everyone, not just pro and hard core players would enjoy it ? Nope since it has been confirmed by Blizz that next to years it will stay competitive. I wish there was less cusual oriented players tbh.. not in term that ppl should leave, but more people with competitive mindset.
I feel like this is a tough balance to strike - because while competitive games definitely have their place, and are extremely enjoyable, if it's too competitive, nobody will want to play.
People enjoy winning, and I feel like a lot of video games cater to this mindset. Out of the games that are currently popular & competitive, you see a lot of team oriented play.
This allows a lot of people to hide their own faults & missteps behind teammates (*I* played fine, if only my 4 teammates hadn't sucked) - whereas SC (in 1v1) focuses on your own misgivings and mistakes.
Starcraft is a brutally unforgiving game, and it takes a hell of a mindset to get into a place where you can play it, let alone continue to cultivate an audience to watch it, which, let's be honest, is an incredibly important piece of this puzzle. You're more likely to have engaged audience members when you have a broad playerbase. That's part of what drives LoL and DOTA viewership numbers - the fact that the game is extremely accessible, and a lot of people know how to play (from casual to pro).
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On December 24 2016 08:44 Jj_82 wrote:
Does this in any way relate to O'Gaming? (I read the news on aAa, but my french apparently is too limited to understand.)
Nope, nothing to do with O'gaming.
Llewellys is a monster of E-sport in France. Fact is, there has been a lot of clash between him & the management of Millenium. He already lost some of his work earlier in the year. Millenium has awell known tradition of putting people into boring activities until they leave, cutting them from what they like to do. They did this to him. Problem: almost every one in Millenium's roaster & caster has a deep respect for him. So... the Millenium's e-sport is falling apart.
So nothing to do with O'gaming, or nothing I'm aware of and nothing in the A.A.A.'s article.
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On December 24 2016 18:34 Asarha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 08:44 Jj_82 wrote:
Does this in any way relate to O'Gaming? (I read the news on aAa, but my french apparently is too limited to understand.) Nope, nothing to do with O'gaming. Llewellys is a monster of E-sport in France. Fact is, there has been a lot of clash between him & the management of Millenium. He already lost some of his work earlier in the year. Millenium has awell known tradition of putting people into boring activities until they leave, cutting them from what they like to do. They did this to him. Problem: almost every one in Millenium's roaster & caster has a deep respect for him. So... the Millenium's e-sport is falling apart. So nothing to do with O'gaming, or nothing I'm aware of and nothing in the A.A.A.'s article.
So if I get this right, there was a guy which was cool and kept teams together and around Millenium, and than buck of d*cks just cut him off and with the lack of support from the management and lack of interest ppl just left?
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On December 24 2016 18:39 PharaphobiaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 18:34 Asarha wrote:On December 24 2016 08:44 Jj_82 wrote:
Does this in any way relate to O'Gaming? (I read the news on aAa, but my french apparently is too limited to understand.) Nope, nothing to do with O'gaming. Llewellys is a monster of E-sport in France. Fact is, there has been a lot of clash between him & the management of Millenium. He already lost some of his work earlier in the year. Millenium has awell known tradition of putting people into boring activities until they leave, cutting them from what they like to do. They did this to him. Problem: almost every one in Millenium's roaster & caster has a deep respect for him. So... the Millenium's e-sport is falling apart. So nothing to do with O'gaming, or nothing I'm aware of and nothing in the A.A.A.'s article. So if I get this right, there was a guy which was cool and kept teams together and around Millenium, and than buck of d*cks just cut him off and with the lack of support from the management and lack of interest ppl just left?
Afaik the HS roster, plus at least showtime for sc2, are leaving so they can stick with him within another structure, which will be announced on Jan 1st.
But yes Llewellys was the most respected, and respectable imo, guy out there at Millenium. He put in a lot of work for 7 years now, he was the guy who built the sc2 team back then with Stephano, Tarson, DieStar... and was behind all recruitements since then I believe.
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On December 24 2016 18:39 PharaphobiaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 18:34 Asarha wrote:On December 24 2016 08:44 Jj_82 wrote:
Does this in any way relate to O'Gaming? (I read the news on aAa, but my french apparently is too limited to understand.) Nope, nothing to do with O'gaming. Llewellys is a monster of E-sport in France. Fact is, there has been a lot of clash between him & the management of Millenium. He already lost some of his work earlier in the year. Millenium has awell known tradition of putting people into boring activities until they leave, cutting them from what they like to do. They did this to him. Problem: almost every one in Millenium's roaster & caster has a deep respect for him. So... the Millenium's e-sport is falling apart. So nothing to do with O'gaming, or nothing I'm aware of and nothing in the A.A.A.'s article. So if I get this right, there was a guy which was cool and kept teams together and around Millenium, and than buck of d*cks just cut him off and with the lack of support from the management and lack of interest ppl just left?
Yes. Basically Millenium has been bought by Webedia, which have lately also bought the biggest videogame website (jeuxvideo.com) and movies website (allociné). In both cases they cut the staff by half, reoriented the news to generate more ad revenues... It's kinda the cancer of website in France to be honest.
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On December 24 2016 06:40 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 04:20 stilt wrote:
The millenium's bosses have fired Lwl, they totally deserved this fall. The situation is quite telling. You just have to see how many people left right after Lwl left/got fired (don't know exactly which way it went) to see who was respected on Millenium and who was not.
Lots of people left before because they weren't fond of Lwl (Bob, Tweekz for exemple). It just proves that the situation is more complicated than that . But I've always loved Lewellys for what he has done for the scene. This guy had faith. He even once said that lol and cs wouldn't work because SC2 would crush them.
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On December 24 2016 07:06 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 06:55 True_Spike wrote:On December 24 2016 06:34 Serimek wrote:On December 24 2016 06:12 Carminedust wrote:
this is all a ploy by teamliquid to have every team close there doors so they can sign everyone so no matter who wins it will always be team liquid winning /s
on a serious note: sucks that they are closing the doors but its expect tbh with how everything going wonder if mouz will do the same next since they only have HeroMarine but who knows Quoting him from his stream, for HeroMarine Mouz is already more of a personnal sponsorship than anything. He has little interaction with them and I don't think he's paid (at leat not a full time salary). If he doesn't get paid then it's not much of a sponsorship. I mean even in the early 2000's when a friend was playing wc3 he got ~400eu/month with a german team, just being a semi pro with no visibility. HeroMarine is probably worth a lot more these days. Even if he is not full time. For cs 1.6 me and my time had more or less the same amount, and few accessories + what we could grab on LAN. I imagine it is far way more confortable for a real pro in 2016.
I was a semipro in the early 2000's and I can tell you most wc3 team would pay in mouse-pads and computer parts.
We were also defrayed for LANs (travelling, lodging) but that's it.
GL to Lwl he's a great guy, I personally never liked Millenium much
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I will always remember Stephano as a Mill player.
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On December 26 2016 04:17 Supter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2016 06:40 Boucot wrote:On December 24 2016 04:20 stilt wrote:
The millenium's bosses have fired Lwl, they totally deserved this fall. The situation is quite telling. You just have to see how many people left right after Lwl left/got fired (don't know exactly which way it went) to see who was respected on Millenium and who was not. Lots of people left before because they weren't fond of Lwl (Bob, Tweekz for exemple). It just proves that the situation is more complicated than that . But I've always loved Lewellys for what he has done for the scene. This guy had faith. He even once said that lol and cs wouldn't work because SC2 would crush them.
That's not faith, that's bad business sense.
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good opportunity for liquid to make some good pickups. liquid is like the only good remaining sc2 team right? although not sure how many ppl in the roster still active. this will be a good chance to replenish
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What would be the point to have a good sc2 team if you're the only one ?
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