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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16695 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:58 Hydro033 wrote: You're completely ignoring all the extrinsic factors that are causing the downfall in Korea, like viable, free alternatives that are more social and less stressful. It's quite obvious. ya, like Overwatch for example  | ||
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_vk_
219 Posts
It wasn't the community that came up with sentries, warpgates, warhounds, colossi and the shredder. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16695 Posts
On October 06 2016 05:09 _vk_ wrote: It's total bullshit to blame the community. It wasn't the community that came up with sentries, warpgates, warhounds, colossi and the shredder. Blizzard should be able to come up with ideas for units like the Warhound and Shredder that turn out to fail. You need space to come up with all sorts of ideas. Its part of the creative process. Titan failed. Blizzard picked up the pieces and made Overwatch. Do we now claim Blizzard sucks because they failed with Titan? | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On October 06 2016 05:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Blizzard should be able to come up with ideas for units like the Warhound and Shredder that turn out to fail. You need space to come up with all sorts of ideas. Its part of the creative process. Titan failed. Blizzard picked up the pieces and made Overwatch. Do we now claim Blizzard sucks because they failed with Titan? Titan? | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16695 Posts
The Story of Overwatch: The Fall of Titan. its on youtube someplace. its a good video. Metzen is a bit over dramatic. but its interesting. every creative company and person needs space to fail with their experiments and should not be demonized for the failure of a new experiment. edit: here is the video + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Xamo
Spain877 Posts
On October 04 2016 09:31 Fliparoni wrote: You are all way overthinking this. Tell me something. Can anyone really name any other RTS out there that was made in the last 5 years or so that is even remotely in the same universe as SC2 in terms of popularity? I cant and there is a reason why no companies are making RTS games anymore. It is simply because no one really plays them anymore in terms of the general gaming population. Even if Blizzard had done everything right I still highly doubt the viewer and player base would be much better (perhaps marginally better at best) than it currently is. This so much. | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
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Alexcalibur1996
United States39 Posts
May I ask do you people have fun playing this game? I definitely have been enjoying it despite getting steamrolled on ladder by low tier GMs. I play for fun, that's all. | ||
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Hungry101
25 Posts
Starcraft used to be simple to pick up but hard to master. Now starcraft is hard to pick (and understand) and even harder to master AND is more volatile than ever. Although the game is balanced 'on average' it doesn't make it necessarily stable (i.e. the best player wins less often; results are more volatile and hence less rewarding). The game has become heavily reliant on fast precise 'clutch' responses to powerful strategies and units that can end games by themselves. The best part of the op is the reference to a concrete example of design introduction that was detrimental to the enjoyment of the game (mines) and the pro-scene. Although it might be 'somewhat' enjoyable to watch, a game of chance isn't enjoyable to play seriously. But where the op loses consistency, I feel, is where it encourages Blizzard to stop listening to the pros regarding balance while stating that the problem is design rather than balance. I, for one, would really appreciate a TL post highlighting the concepts in RTS that are generally agreed to be bad for the genre. For example units that encourage chance, stalemate, turtling, ect. I know it has been talked about to extreme boredom but to have a single place as a reference with some structure would be good. And it would help highlight concrete areas where Blizzard may have gone wrong. tldr: the problem is game volatility, which is leading to pro feedback that the game is too hard | ||
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Uni1987
Netherlands642 Posts
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MilkDud
Canada73 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany930 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:26 RoboPuG wrote: Ahem...bullshit. Regarding Starcraft Broodwar, players like Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, Savior and Flash all had different playstyles yet all were dominant and the game was never patched specifically because of them and their playstyles. Regarding Starcraft 2, don't blame koreans for playing terran to it's maximum potential, blame Blizzard and their retarded design of Protoss and Zerg. If Protoss and Zerg were well designed you wouldn't have this opinion. You'd praise the game and call it's design awesome. The problem isn't Terran or 500 apm koreans, it's Protoss and Zerg. Always has been. I don't really get, why you call "BS" and literally repeat what I have said ? - Don't ask Koreans what THEY WANT - Make Zerg and Protoss a) harder to play b) more effective if played hard, instead of F2A (Spamming abilities like corrosive bile is not hard btw !) Terran has the least room for errors. What used to take pixelperfect forcefields, now is dumbed down to overcharge, and there is basicly no push that can not be stopped by queens and ravagers. Queue up some Injects, half the roach HP and give them Burrow heal so there is potential in micro again. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3372 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4001 Posts
When players do dance and exchange units, this becomes super interesting shit. RTS should be a game of "advantages". I.e. one player has a smaller army, but he puts his army in all these favourable positions to win the game. as a player nothing motivates me more than being able to pull comebacks from unwinnable positions by winning these microbattles here and there slowly crawling my way back into the game. And that shouldn't be "just more apm/multitasking". Even though this still happens in SC2, there should be much more (like 10 times more) of that to motivate people to play more. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany930 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On October 06 2016 16:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: the biggest problem of SC2 is that 1 battle often decides all + battles are over too fast. Shit dies in a matter of seconds. When players do dance and exchange units, this becomes super interesting shit. RTS should be a game of "advantages". I.e. one player has a smaller army, but he puts his army in all these favourable positions to win the game. as a player nothing motivates me more than being able to pull comebacks from unwinnable positions by winning these microbattles here and there slowly crawling my way back into the game. And that shouldn't be "just more apm/multitasking". Even though this still happens in SC2, there should be much more (like 10 times more) of that to motivate people to play more. This is not true and has never been true of SC2 or even Broodwar. I will never understand this argument. Just because the largest battle of the game is one sided or ended in 5 seconds doesn't mean that the game is inherently flawed. If your ling scout killed two probes because you won the micro battle against your opponent and then effectively bottled him out of his 3rd or 4th base while you took your 4th or 5th and then used that as positioning to take said final battle. The whole game was not decided by one big battle. It was a series of things you did right and your opponent did wrong that gave you an advantage. People who spout "points" like this or who make claims about A-moving are the reason the game is dying. You have started to believe your own bullshit and feed off each others circle jerking. RANT over. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On October 06 2016 17:10 KT_Elwood wrote: But Legacy is more about churning out MOAR disposable units. Even Protoss has lost the focus on "important" units and does very well by spamming a gateway army that is very forgiving. I will concede the adept is a problem, and I wish the unit had never been implemented. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On October 06 2016 06:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The Story of Overwatch: The Fall of Titan. its on youtube someplace. its a good video. Metzen is a bit over dramatic. but its interesting. every creative company and person needs space to fail with their experiments and should not be demonized for the failure of a new experiment. edit: here is the video + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-HwvYjLLg Thank you very much for the video. Very interesting! | ||
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pereza0
17 Posts
Yeah. Gotta agree. SCII is a six year old game in a withering genre that still pulls some impressive numbers. I think Blizzard needs to split MP from the LoTV campaign. Cheaper MP will let SCII compete with stars like Rocket League, CS:GO and MOBAs. If microtransactions turn out well I could even see F2P working. | ||
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