EPTImmediately after being knocked out in the Ro16 of DH Valencia, Vortix has announced he will retire from SC2 once again.
VortiX retires from SC2
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Immediately after being knocked out in the Ro16 of DH Valencia, Vortix has announced he will retire from SC2 once again.
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
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ragazzoaction
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Akimbo
Canada104 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3340 Posts
I'm still really happy for Reynor, btw someone should make him a fan club  | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36990 Posts
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KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On July 16 2016 02:40 KadaverBB wrote: That didn't last long It barely even happened at all | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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KappaKingPrime
United States468 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Wrath
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
I was kinda happy he came back, but then he didn't really do anything. Just seems strange and lackluster? Whatever, I guess. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
This comeback started with promising results but in the end it just looks silly. Gl to him anyway, wherever life takes him ^^ | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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SinO[Ob]
France897 Posts
Yup | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
Unretire to not really play anything/anywhere to retire and say you did not really play that much and the game is not 4 u. Wut mate. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
GL in future, vortix. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
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BiG
Germany153 Posts
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Wuster
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On July 16 2016 03:22 BiG wrote: Would be interesting to know why the game isnt for him anymore. For me personally the game died with the latest expansion. Maybe he was unsatisfied with the direction of the game aswell and had the past SC2 feeling in mind when returning. I'm sure you can find some of his quotes about it when he was playing Heroes. One thing he brought up then was how he liked playing with his brother (understandable) and the team aspect made it more like a comradeship I guess? Then again when he ditched Heroes he said he didn't like how the team aspect marginalized your individual contribution towards the final results and a solo-game like Starcraft was more gratifying. So take that for what you will. | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
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redloser
Korea (South)1721 Posts
i mean since his so-called 'comeback', its not like he has done something. he didn't stream and rarely participated in ANY tournaments (afaik this dreamhack was like the second tourney he was in?) | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
I feel like this kind of situation/attitude from players is a good reason to dismiss esports or not take it seriously. Not as a whole, of course, but this does kind of seem like a "kids playing games" kind of thing as opposed to professionals in a competitive environment. Of course, this is nothing compared to a certain little French boy who enjoys playing video games. | ||
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Elentos
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On July 16 2016 03:35 redloser wrote: what the heck? then why did he join liquid in the first place? He was on their Heroes team. Then he switched over to SC2 but remained on Liquid. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Daswollvieh
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HooHooH
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On July 16 2016 02:49 NeThZOR wrote: I think he lost motivation after losing to more dedicated players. This ^ | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1721 Posts
On July 16 2016 03:49 Elentos wrote: He was on their Heroes team. Then he switched over to SC2 but remained on Liquid. ooh that makes sense. | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
On July 16 2016 03:49 Shellshock wrote: one of the liquid greats. Will never forget all his top results for this team True, hes was so close to replace TaeJa and HerO with the most tournament wins under the liquid banner. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
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Primelot
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:22 PoP wrote: What happened to Lucifron btw? Nothing, really, he never came back to SC2 like Vortix did. He played Heroes for Liqud and then retired (for school, I think?) while Vortix moved to SC2. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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AsAr
Germany52 Posts
¡gracias por jugar y buena suerte para tu futuro! | ||
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vik7
United States227 Posts
On July 16 2016 02:49 NeThZOR wrote: I think he lost motivation after losing to more dedicated players. This!! | ||
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Quateras
Germany867 Posts
good times ^ _ ^ | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:46 Rehio wrote: Nothing, really, he never came back to SC2 like Vortix did. He played Heroes for Liqud and then retired (for school, I think?) while Vortix moved to SC2. He's still technically on the team and plays in tournaments from time to time though. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:04 Solar424 wrote: He's still technically on the team and plays in tournaments from time to time though. Don't think so? https://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2016/01/13/vortix-to-starcraft-lucifron-to-school | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44052 Posts
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Wpcwe
Russian Federation126 Posts
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:11 Rehio wrote: Don't think so? https://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2016/01/13/vortix-to-starcraft-lucifron-to-school Liquipedia says he's on the team. But he's basically retired, and only plays in WCS qualifiers. | ||
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Beelzebub1
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On July 16 2016 02:49 NeThZOR wrote: I think he lost motivation after losing to more dedicated players. /thread We have Snute and Scarlett so meh to this honestly | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
On July 16 2016 03:00 EXRNaRa wrote: Sorry but thats literally bullshit. Unretire to not really play anything/anywhere to retire and say you did not really play that much and the game is not 4 u. Wut mate. If he doesn't like it, he just doesn't. I did buy LotV even after being disappointed in the beta, still play it because I really want to like it, yet I don't like it, at all. Maybe he tried to force himself to like the game due to nostalgia? | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
On July 16 2016 06:37 Creager wrote: If he doesn't like it, he just doesn't. I did buy LotV even after being disappointed in the beta, still play it because I really want to like it, yet I don't like it, at all. Maybe he tried to force himself to like the game due to nostalgia? If this was the case, why come back as a progamer? He could've stayed on an amateur level until he was 100% sure. | ||
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xtorn
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On July 16 2016 03:42 Nerchio wrote: Not a fan of players that retire and unretire all the time or announce big comeback just to whine about the game 2 months later, foreign scene is harder than ever it looks like EXACTLY! I can understand players who actually genuinely struggle and invest some serious effort if they're taken on a serious team, put up a fight and show they care about the chance they're given and fans and whatnot, and THEN announce a retirement that is worth something Wasnt this guy announced as the big hype by Kaelaris just recently? I have newfound respect for players who actually continue to play the game, and dont announce retirements like theyre important or something. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Gen.Rolly
United States200 Posts
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:56 Gen.Rolly wrote: Playing zerg these days probably does not help with motivation, especially with protoss still being incredibly hard to crack and at any point being able to blindside an unwitting zerg. Do you really have to go out of your way to turn a completely unrelated thread into balance whine? | ||
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TheSayo182
Italy243 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
It almost seems like a taboo subject, that isn't brought up enough. But most people who have really put 100% into this game know what I mean. It's like running into a brick wall at full speed multiple times a day. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who play it consistently (like MC or TLO) and can stay focused. These people are made of stuff that I don't understand. And to those who stop playing, bow out, I totally understand because I think we have all done it at some level, with achieving far less than Vortix. GG's sir | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:04 Quateras wrote: You guys remember the 30+ Pages thread about "one of the greatest foreigners of all time coming back to sc2?" :D good times ^ _ ^ Yup that was my first thought too. Guess even Foreign land WCS was too hard for him now. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
And I think he just didn't enjoy the state of the game anymore...I understand where he's coming from. | ||
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Gen.Rolly
United States200 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:57 Rehio wrote: Do you really have to go out of your way to turn a completely unrelated thread into balance whine? No but apparently you do? | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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DuckloadBlackra
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:06 Shield wrote: Good choice. SC2 isn't like what it used to be in WoL. Ridiculously small player base and Blizzard aren't active. Their time is spent on other games. Well it might be smaller but i still have no problem finding the games and ppl to play basically anything SC2 has to offer now Also Blizzard is way more aftive in SC2 now than it was in WoL. Please stop living in the past  | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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inermis
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On July 16 2016 05:06 Shield wrote: Good choice. SC2 isn't like what it used to be in WoL. Ridiculously small player base and Blizzard aren't active. Their time is spent on other games. Sorry to break yours and other balance/dead game whiners bubble, but the population of sc2 is pretty much what it used to be back @ hots times. It's only people who want to find an excuse to not play anymore, blame the game instead of their own shortcomings, they are the only ones saying bad things about SC2. Fact is that SC2 is one of the best RTS games of all times, game still has sponsors support, tournaments all over the world and HUGE player base for a RTS game. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On July 16 2016 16:28 inermis wrote: Sorry to break yours and other balance/dead game whiners bubble, but the population of sc2 is pretty much what it used to be back @ hots times. It's only people who want to find an excuse to not play anymore, blame the game instead of their own shortcomings, they are the only ones saying bad things about SC2. Fact is that SC2 is one of the best RTS games of all times, game still has sponsors support, tournaments all over the world and HUGE player base for a RTS game. At least somebody gets it. The Duran brothers are so skilled they can go to any DH or European tournament with minimal practice and take home prize money. Everybody must follow their heart. Good luck Vortix. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Aunvilgodess
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CommanderS
Germany53 Posts
On July 16 2016 16:28 inermis wrote: Sorry to break yours and other balance/dead game whiners bubble, but the population of sc2 is pretty much what it used to be back @ hots times. That's not true. In 2014 the number of active ladder accounts got as high as 422k. Immediately before the LotV release the number of active HotS players was at 331k. The most players LotV ever had was 251k, last season there were 205k, which is not even half of what HotS had at times. Data can be found here: http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=c | ||
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Quateras
Germany867 Posts
On July 16 2016 19:38 CommanderS wrote: That's not true. In 2014 the number of active ladder accounts got as high as 422k. Immediately before the LotV release the number of active HotS players was at 331k. The most players LotV ever had was 251k, last season there were 205k, which is not even half of what HotS had at times. Data can be found here: http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=c Which only accounts for 1v1 ladder statistics, which mean nothing compared to the sc2 population. instead of their 1-4 games in 1on1 ladder, people play Co op now, or archon which you dont find in those stats. (people have more options now) What was the number blizzard posted? 2 million people play sc2 every month, that 1on1 ladder stat is pretty small percent then. | ||
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Quateras
Germany867 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1163 Posts
Why should any one care, rofl? | ||
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StarStruck
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On July 16 2016 16:28 inermis wrote: Sorry to break yours and other balance/dead game whiners bubble, but the population of sc2 is pretty much what it used to be back @ hots times. It's only people who want to find an excuse to not play anymore, blame the game instead of their own shortcomings, they are the only ones saying bad things about SC2. Fact is that SC2 is one of the best RTS games of all times, game still has sponsors support, tournaments all over the world and HUGE player base for a RTS game. some people are in denial. the numbers aren't anywhere close to what they were. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On July 16 2016 19:45 Quateras wrote: Which only accounts for 1v1 ladder statistics, which mean nothing compared to the sc2 population. instead of their 1-4 games in 1on1 ladder, people play Co op now, or archon which you dont find in those stats. (people have more options now) What was the number blizzard posted? 2 million people play sc2 every month, that 1on1 ladder stat is pretty small percent then. viewer numbers have plumetted this year | ||
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Iksf
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Hill_Shit
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RKC
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At this rate, I can imagine thirty year old millennials announcing on social media that they're "retiring" from their shitty corporate jobs, whine about unemployment, and months later go "Hey, guess who's back at work, bitches! #backinthegame #likeaboss #butfirstletmetakeaselfie". Retire, rinse and repeat. (Just say you're "taking a break" from the game or "switching to X". The word "retirement" should be used sparingly. Perhaps only when you're leaving pro-gaming for good.) | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
On July 16 2016 20:58 Iksf wrote: Everyone I talk to seems to have a sort of apathy from so much of their SC2 knowledge being invalidated in LotV. I had the exact same feeling but once I pushed through it, game is such an improvement over HotS. Still not perfect by a long shot but I really think a lot of people didn't give it a fair go. You must not play Terran, otherwise you would not spout this kind of nonsense On a serious note it seems that newer players (just checked a few comments throughout this thread and they seem to be "relatively fresh" accounts with ~500 posts, it's just an assumption, though) predominantly seem to be pro-LotV while the more seasoned players (myself included) are pretty fed up with how the game is being handled/has developed so far. edit: Just double-checked, my assumption was pretty wrong haha | ||
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Taco87
Norway72 Posts
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Quateras
Germany867 Posts
Honestly i think part of that because we dont have any interesting/entertaining streamers at all, theres no Drama, no Community feeling of competitiveness like in WoL with people having friends on skype talking about the game and co or hitting some cheeser/cheaters on ladder to make the games stand out more. Theres mostly non interactive kind of boring quiet streamers left in sc2. That aside tho, i swear i saw a graphic about total stream numbers and hours and it was exactly the same as at the end of hots.So it didnt really go down, but it didnt go up which is why so many people seem frustrated/upset. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
VortiX is a great guy though. Knew him since WC3 German pro-gaming. Wish him the best of luck. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On July 17 2016 02:48 Quateras wrote: Honestly i think part of that because we dont have any interesting/entertaining streamers at all, theres no Drama, no Community feeling of competitiveness like in WoL with people having friends on skype talking about the game and co or hitting some cheeser/cheaters on ladder to make the games stand out more. Theres mostly non interactive kind of boring quiet streamers left in sc2. That aside tho, i swear i saw a graphic about total stream numbers and hours and it was exactly the same as at the end of hots.So it didnt really go down, but it didnt go up which is why so many people seem frustrated/upset. Tournament views are roughly the same, player stream views are way down because players just stream way less i feel. People have been complaining about the game dieing for years even though it's been really stable since about halfway through hots. | ||
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Dingodile
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On July 17 2016 02:48 Quateras wrote: Honestly i think part of that because we dont have any interesting/entertaining streamers at all, theres no Drama, no Community feeling of competitiveness like in WoL with people having friends on skype talking about the game and co or hitting some cheeser/cheaters on ladder to make the games stand out more. Theres mostly non interactive kind of boring quiet streamers left in sc2. That aside tho, i swear i saw a graphic about total stream numbers and hours and it was exactly the same as at the end of hots.So it didnt really go down, but it didnt go up which is why so many people seem frustrated/upset. We have this problem for years and we all knew that sc2 is "dead" anyway without idra and stephano. A very dangerous spot is when one person was best foreigner and best entertainer (playstyle, interviews etc) in the same time and then quit the game (Stephano). | ||
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Clazziquai10
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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necrosexy
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
As someone who's had a lot more fun playing the Wings of Liberty ladder than the Legacy of the Void ladder, I'm not surprised. Blizzard fucked up with LotV's game design hard, and the dip in player-base, users on /r/starcraft, and the overall viewership on Twitch and Hitbox should speak volumes towards this. When LotV makes me and a lot of other people want to throw our monitors out of the window in absolute rage over the sheer number of broken and utterly unfair aggressive tactics in the game at present, that should explain exactly what's wrong with LotV. Games are much shorter because harassment have been greatly rewarded and encouraged thanks to things such as outright broken Liberator/Tankivac cheeses, a barely scoutable and cheap tier 1 Overlord Baneling drop build that only require a Baneling Nest and Evolution Chamber to execute, mining changes which outright cripple players economically for not being expansion-hungry, or having Adepts or Oracles outright instagib your worker line because you didn't build sufficient air defences, or didn't wall off effectively, or didn't have your army literally standing by your workers and guarding them, or suffering a build order loss in TvZ to a Ravager bust which you can't defend unless you built Banshees - because unlike Liberators and Siege Tanks, they're mobile enough to dodge their broken Corrosive Bile ability. With LotV, you have to build and position your units and buildings in a very specific manner to ensure that you don't incur a cheap build order loss. With everyone opening the exact same way, it's made the game incredibly stagnant and it's ensured that the exact same games with the exact same unit compositions are played out. It's basically a less balanced and less fun Heart of the Swarm, which was also known for its incredibly stagnant metagame and only having two unique metagame shifts (i.e. Swarm Host Corruptor and Fantasy's Fake Mech build) whereas WoL had craploads of them. For the record, this isn't me criticising the game's balance; it's me addressing the outright asinine design decisions the SC2 team has made with LotV. Splitting Marauder attacks in half? Increasing Ultralisk Armour by 2? What the hell, Blizzard! As if Ultralisks weren't challenging enough to kill due to the sheer commitment to Marauder numbers, plus the sheer micro required just to contend with them in WoL and HotS; they now outright killed off the late game MMMM playstyle in TvZ by allowing Zerg players to hard-counter and cheaply win against any Terran player that hasn't massed Liberators just by building Ultralisks with a few keypresses. I really think that we as a community should be doing the same thing with Wings of Liberty as Smash fans did with Super Smash Bros Melee at this point and rebuild the WoL competitive scene as a grassroots venture. They did this because the competitive scene of their game had declined heavily, and because the later iterations of the game (Brawl in particular) sucked for competitive play with shitty mechanics such as tripping. I mean WoL had the most depth, the most metagame variation, the best community maps, and the biggest community in SC2's history, and unlike LotV, could largely be balanced around map design and a small balance update or two. WoL was the most popular iteration of the game. It wasn't until HotS and the failure that was the WCS circuit that we saw big players like MLG and Ongamenet nope out of the SC2 scene, and an amateur Brood War scene flourish under the dedication of players, viewers, commentators and tournament organizers that were dissatisfied with the direction Blizzard were taking SC2. Also, most people play Co-op or Archon? Making a lot of assumptions there. Archon Mode is only good as a novelty ladder mode, and probably doesn't see anywhere near as much action as 1v1, also 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 and FFA are far less popular than 1v1 and for good reason, and Allied Commanders gets boring very fast once you've unlocked everything and experienced every type of mission. At the rate SC2 is going, I can see WCS dissolving in the next two years. User was warned for this post | ||
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REyeM
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Seeker
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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lagcats
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BamBam
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Hider
Denmark9362 Posts
On July 17 2016 18:57 Teoita wrote: Tournament views are roughly the same, player stream views are way down because players just stream way less i feel. People have been complaining about the game dieing for years even though it's been really stable since about halfway through hots. Total viewership is down alot if you think about the fact that halfway through hots we had weekly content with WCS. Right now we only have tournaments (for foreigners) once a month or so. And as scarcity increases, viewership numbers should increase on a per tournament basis. When it doesn't and is merely stable (even though I believe that's debateable - I think they have declined from halfway through HOTS) - the game is becoming less popular. | ||
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Sharkken
Jordan141 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On July 19 2016 01:57 Sharkken wrote: It should about time that teamliquid start looking for more serious players to add to their SC2 roster if its to remain in the competitive scene Not wanting to talk for them, but I'd say they're better off investing money in other games as far as players goes. TLO, Bunny, Mana and Snute are more than enough representation for this game. | ||
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