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RKC
2848 Posts
At this rate, I can imagine thirty year old millennials announcing on social media that they're "retiring" from their shitty corporate jobs, whine about unemployment, and months later go "Hey, guess who's back at work, bitches! #backinthegame #likeaboss #butfirstletmetakeaselfie". Retire, rinse and repeat. (Just say you're "taking a break" from the game or "switching to X". The word "retirement" should be used sparingly. Perhaps only when you're leaving pro-gaming for good.) | ||
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Creager
Germany1958 Posts
On July 16 2016 20:58 Iksf wrote: Everyone I talk to seems to have a sort of apathy from so much of their SC2 knowledge being invalidated in LotV. I had the exact same feeling but once I pushed through it, game is such an improvement over HotS. Still not perfect by a long shot but I really think a lot of people didn't give it a fair go. You must not play Terran, otherwise you would not spout this kind of nonsense  On a serious note it seems that newer players (just checked a few comments throughout this thread and they seem to be "relatively fresh" accounts with ~500 posts, it's just an assumption, though) predominantly seem to be pro-LotV while the more seasoned players (myself included) are pretty fed up with how the game is being handled/has developed so far. edit: Just double-checked, my assumption was pretty wrong haha | ||
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Taco87
Norway72 Posts
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Quateras
Germany867 Posts
Honestly i think part of that because we dont have any interesting/entertaining streamers at all, theres no Drama, no Community feeling of competitiveness like in WoL with people having friends on skype talking about the game and co or hitting some cheeser/cheaters on ladder to make the games stand out more. Theres mostly non interactive kind of boring quiet streamers left in sc2. That aside tho, i swear i saw a graphic about total stream numbers and hours and it was exactly the same as at the end of hots.So it didnt really go down, but it didnt go up which is why so many people seem frustrated/upset. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
VortiX is a great guy though. Knew him since WC3 German pro-gaming. Wish him the best of luck. | ||
Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On July 17 2016 02:48 Quateras wrote: Honestly i think part of that because we dont have any interesting/entertaining streamers at all, theres no Drama, no Community feeling of competitiveness like in WoL with people having friends on skype talking about the game and co or hitting some cheeser/cheaters on ladder to make the games stand out more. Theres mostly non interactive kind of boring quiet streamers left in sc2. That aside tho, i swear i saw a graphic about total stream numbers and hours and it was exactly the same as at the end of hots.So it didnt really go down, but it didnt go up which is why so many people seem frustrated/upset. Tournament views are roughly the same, player stream views are way down because players just stream way less i feel. People have been complaining about the game dieing for years even though it's been really stable since about halfway through hots. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On July 17 2016 02:48 Quateras wrote: Honestly i think part of that because we dont have any interesting/entertaining streamers at all, theres no Drama, no Community feeling of competitiveness like in WoL with people having friends on skype talking about the game and co or hitting some cheeser/cheaters on ladder to make the games stand out more. Theres mostly non interactive kind of boring quiet streamers left in sc2. That aside tho, i swear i saw a graphic about total stream numbers and hours and it was exactly the same as at the end of hots.So it didnt really go down, but it didnt go up which is why so many people seem frustrated/upset. We have this problem for years and we all knew that sc2 is "dead" anyway without idra and stephano. A very dangerous spot is when one person was best foreigner and best entertainer (playstyle, interviews etc) in the same time and then quit the game (Stephano). | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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necrosexy
451 Posts
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
As someone who's had a lot more fun playing the Wings of Liberty ladder than the Legacy of the Void ladder, I'm not surprised. Blizzard fucked up with LotV's game design hard, and the dip in player-base, users on /r/starcraft, and the overall viewership on Twitch and Hitbox should speak volumes towards this. When LotV makes me and a lot of other people want to throw our monitors out of the window in absolute rage over the sheer number of broken and utterly unfair aggressive tactics in the game at present, that should explain exactly what's wrong with LotV. Games are much shorter because harassment have been greatly rewarded and encouraged thanks to things such as outright broken Liberator/Tankivac cheeses, a barely scoutable and cheap tier 1 Overlord Baneling drop build that only require a Baneling Nest and Evolution Chamber to execute, mining changes which outright cripple players economically for not being expansion-hungry, or having Adepts or Oracles outright instagib your worker line because you didn't build sufficient air defences, or didn't wall off effectively, or didn't have your army literally standing by your workers and guarding them, or suffering a build order loss in TvZ to a Ravager bust which you can't defend unless you built Banshees - because unlike Liberators and Siege Tanks, they're mobile enough to dodge their broken Corrosive Bile ability. With LotV, you have to build and position your units and buildings in a very specific manner to ensure that you don't incur a cheap build order loss. With everyone opening the exact same way, it's made the game incredibly stagnant and it's ensured that the exact same games with the exact same unit compositions are played out. It's basically a less balanced and less fun Heart of the Swarm, which was also known for its incredibly stagnant metagame and only having two unique metagame shifts (i.e. Swarm Host Corruptor and Fantasy's Fake Mech build) whereas WoL had craploads of them. For the record, this isn't me criticising the game's balance; it's me addressing the outright asinine design decisions the SC2 team has made with LotV. Splitting Marauder attacks in half? Increasing Ultralisk Armour by 2? What the hell, Blizzard! As if Ultralisks weren't challenging enough to kill due to the sheer commitment to Marauder numbers, plus the sheer micro required just to contend with them in WoL and HotS; they now outright killed off the late game MMMM playstyle in TvZ by allowing Zerg players to hard-counter and cheaply win against any Terran player that hasn't massed Liberators just by building Ultralisks with a few keypresses. I really think that we as a community should be doing the same thing with Wings of Liberty as Smash fans did with Super Smash Bros Melee at this point and rebuild the WoL competitive scene as a grassroots venture. They did this because the competitive scene of their game had declined heavily, and because the later iterations of the game (Brawl in particular) sucked for competitive play with shitty mechanics such as tripping. I mean WoL had the most depth, the most metagame variation, the best community maps, and the biggest community in SC2's history, and unlike LotV, could largely be balanced around map design and a small balance update or two. WoL was the most popular iteration of the game. It wasn't until HotS and the failure that was the WCS circuit that we saw big players like MLG and Ongamenet nope out of the SC2 scene, and an amateur Brood War scene flourish under the dedication of players, viewers, commentators and tournament organizers that were dissatisfied with the direction Blizzard were taking SC2. Also, most people play Co-op or Archon? Making a lot of assumptions there. Archon Mode is only good as a novelty ladder mode, and probably doesn't see anywhere near as much action as 1v1, also 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 and FFA are far less popular than 1v1 and for good reason, and Allied Commanders gets boring very fast once you've unlocked everything and experienced every type of mission. At the rate SC2 is going, I can see WCS dissolving in the next two years. User was warned for this post | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37101 Posts
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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lagcats
172 Posts
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BamBam
745 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On July 17 2016 18:57 Teoita wrote: Tournament views are roughly the same, player stream views are way down because players just stream way less i feel. People have been complaining about the game dieing for years even though it's been really stable since about halfway through hots. Total viewership is down alot if you think about the fact that halfway through hots we had weekly content with WCS. Right now we only have tournaments (for foreigners) once a month or so. And as scarcity increases, viewership numbers should increase on a per tournament basis. When it doesn't and is merely stable (even though I believe that's debateable - I think they have declined from halfway through HOTS) - the game is becoming less popular. | ||
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Sharkken
Jordan141 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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