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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 27 2016 18:23 GMT
#21
On May 28 2016 02:38 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I put this guy on my anti-team when he first appeared in proleague, did not go well for my score :D

Whaaaat? Stars like Bunny are playing the same FPL, as I am playing? :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
May 27 2016 18:24 GMT
#22
On May 28 2016 03:19 megatroneo wrote:
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On May 28 2016 03:14 rotta wrote:
On May 28 2016 03:06 megatroneo wrote:
Wait why aren't Maru or sOs considered "remaining titans"?

Probably because Zest has won more GSL's than the whole JAGW, dunno.


But then how many GSL's have titans Taeja/Leenock/MKP/soO won?

Don't act like the so called "sucess" of maru is even remotely comparable to the countless achievement of the titan leenock.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 27 2016 18:25 GMT
#23
On May 28 2016 03:06 megatroneo wrote:
Wait why aren't Maru or sOs considered "remaining titans"?


My guess is because they weren't considered titans in the first place. by "titan" I mean that most people agree they're the #1 player for a long period of time, very dominant, someone you can clearly say it's ahead of the pack (no only among their race).
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 27 2016 18:27 GMT
#24
On May 28 2016 03:15 Elentos wrote:
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On May 28 2016 03:09 opisska wrote:
I didn't get the logic of the article. If Zest has come from a bad year, why shouldn't the same be possible for soO and Innovation? How is the "they aren't in their prime" argument not disproven by the very previous paragraph?

True. You can't expect them to stay shitty for the rest of LotV just because they were poor in the first 6 months.
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On May 28 2016 03:09 opisska wrote:
If Inno comes out and starts kicking ass, he's gonna have a far bigger GOAT claim than Zest anyway.

Depends on criteria I guess, but I don't think INnoVation has a bigger claim.


Yeah, it's hard to judge. Zest has a shitload of big titles, but Innovation had this incomprehensible aura to him. Heck, I wasn't ever really a big fan of his play and would like to punch his funny face every time he pulled the boys, but if he ever comes back to domination ...
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 27 2016 18:28 GMT
#25
On May 28 2016 03:23 Diabolique wrote:
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On May 28 2016 02:38 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I put this guy on my anti-team when he first appeared in proleague, did not go well for my score :D

Whaaaat? Stars like Bunny are playing the same FPL, as I am playing? :-)


You don't remember the good times when MMA put himself as his captain, do you?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 27 2016 18:34 GMT
#26
On May 28 2016 03:23 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 02:38 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I put this guy on my anti-team when he first appeared in proleague, did not go well for my score :D

Whaaaat? Stars like Bunny are playing the same FPL, as I am playing? :-)

Stars like Bunny also do this thing called play "StarCraft" so you might also chase him down, there. :D
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 27 2016 18:35 GMT
#27
On May 28 2016 03:28 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 03:23 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 02:38 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I put this guy on my anti-team when he first appeared in proleague, did not go well for my score :D

Whaaaat? Stars like Bunny are playing the same FPL, as I am playing? :-)


You don't remember the good times when MMA put himself as his captain, do you?

No!!! Seriously? :-))) You know, I am a newbie, I discovered TL first last summer ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
May 27 2016 18:36 GMT
#28
On May 28 2016 03:27 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 03:15 Elentos wrote:
On May 28 2016 03:09 opisska wrote:
I didn't get the logic of the article. If Zest has come from a bad year, why shouldn't the same be possible for soO and Innovation? How is the "they aren't in their prime" argument not disproven by the very previous paragraph?

True. You can't expect them to stay shitty for the rest of LotV just because they were poor in the first 6 months.
On May 28 2016 03:09 opisska wrote:
If Inno comes out and starts kicking ass, he's gonna have a far bigger GOAT claim than Zest anyway.

Depends on criteria I guess, but I don't think INnoVation has a bigger claim.


Yeah, it's hard to judge. Zest has a shitload of big titles, but Innovation had this incomprehensible aura to him. Heck, I wasn't ever really a big fan of his play and would like to punch his funny face every time he pulled the boys, but if he ever comes back to domination ...

5 titles vs 4 titles, both 2 starleague victories, both proleague monsters. it's extremely close.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37122 Posts
May 27 2016 18:42 GMT
#29
On May 28 2016 03:23 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 02:38 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I put this guy on my anti-team when he first appeared in proleague, did not go well for my score :D

Whaaaat? Stars like Bunny are playing the same FPL, as I am playing? :-)

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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 27 2016 18:43 GMT
#30
I liked your article stuchiu but it's too short

I can't comment on how great Zest is compared to the old greats (pre HotS), but I do feel we're witnessing history nowadays. Seeing your fav player come closer and closer of being one of the greatest, if not the absolute one... What else can I ask for? (well, KT winning Proleague this year would be nice)

also obligatory Zest is best.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 27 2016 18:46 GMT
#31
On May 28 2016 03:43 Silvana wrote:
I liked your article stuchiu but it's too short

I can't comment on how great Zest is compared to the old greats (pre HotS), but I do feel we're witnessing history nowadays. Seeing your fav player come closer and closer of being one of the greatest, if not the absolute one... What else can I ask for? (well, KT winning Proleague this year would be nice)

also obligatory Zest is best.

Waaait, Zest is losing to Snute, so then Snute is the greatest!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 27 2016 18:47 GMT
#32
Bruh we already have the UNOFFICIAL CHAMPION thing going on.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19398 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 01:58:15
May 27 2016 18:49 GMT
#33
Two fun facts about Zest coming into SC2:
1. He was in every starting line up during the hybrid proleague
2. (P)Lizzy along with (Z)Acacia were brought onto KT as secret weapons to help take free wins in the SC2 category. Many people were upset KT bought players for SC2 only in the hybrid proleague. It actually backfired on them. Both players were forced to alternate between Brood War and SC2 where they never won a Brood War game and in fact were god awful at the game. KT realizing this eventually just zoned them out of the lineup and both failed to achieve anything in SC2.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 27 2016 18:52 GMT
#34
On May 28 2016 02:50 swissman777 wrote:
sOs is still the best player in my heart for actually making the scene fun and interesting with his mind games

Of course, sOs is the Titan king himself, let us hope, Stuchiu will write a nice article about him soon. In the worst case, sOs will need to show his greatness again and stomp Zest in both SSL and GSL. Then, hopefully, Stuchiu will have to write an article about him :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-27 18:57:12
May 27 2016 18:56 GMT
#35
On May 28 2016 03:52 Diabolique wrote:
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On May 28 2016 02:50 swissman777 wrote:
sOs is still the best player in my heart for actually making the scene fun and interesting with his mind games

Of course, sOs is the Titan king himself, let us hope, Stuchiu will write a nice article about him soon. In the worst case, sOs will need to show his greatness again and stomp Zest in both SSL and GSL. Then, hopefully, Stuchiu will have to write an article about him :-)

Well I guess it's good for Zest sOs can only beat him in Proleague. Besides, you don't need an article to know sOs is one of the greatest of all time. Didn't need one for Zest either.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-27 18:57:31
May 27 2016 18:57 GMT
#36
Proleague best league. It's about time JIN AIR GREEN KONGS won something, even if it isn't a grand finals.

edit: Zest is probably better than $O$ in anything that's not a $100,000 tournament.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 27 2016 18:57 GMT
#37
On May 28 2016 03:35 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 03:28 opisska wrote:
On May 28 2016 03:23 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 02:38 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I put this guy on my anti-team when he first appeared in proleague, did not go well for my score :D

Whaaaat? Stars like Bunny are playing the same FPL, as I am playing? :-)


You don't remember the good times when MMA put himself as his captain, do you?

No!!! Seriously? :-))) You know, I am a newbie, I discovered TL first last summer ...


Oh, shame, all the things you have missed you could have complained about )
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9071 Posts
May 27 2016 19:08 GMT
#38
TaeJa was mentioned. List validated. Carry on.
Haighstrom
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom216 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-27 19:13:04
May 27 2016 19:11 GMT
#39
I honestly think it is far too much at this point to say Zest is the best player ever, and only player contending for that spot still active.

herO was the best protoss by a country mile in HOTS for far longer (about 5 ladder seasons) than Zest has been the best Protoss in HOTS/Legacy combined (one season each).

Let's not forget that Innovation, Maru, herO, Dark, sOs, byul are still here, and just because most of them have had a few months of being "lukewarm", Zest had about 2 years of being distinctly average between his GSLs (below Classic, Rain, Stats, SoS and herO in my opinion).

It is indisputable that Zest is the best player right now, and a contender for best player ever. But in my opinion that doesn't warrant this article's level of hyperbole, and I think you have seriously overlooked other players contention for that title, by narrowing your vision to the state of play "right now".

My personal prediction is that Innovation will gradually creep up to the top again, because he's all about slowly and inexorably perfecting his play, but isn't very good at changing his style quickly, so hasn't adjusted to LOTV yet.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 27 2016 19:13 GMT
#40
On May 28 2016 03:57 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 03:35 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 03:28 opisska wrote:
On May 28 2016 03:23 Diabolique wrote:
On May 28 2016 02:38 Liquid`Bunny wrote:
I put this guy on my anti-team when he first appeared in proleague, did not go well for my score :D

Whaaaat? Stars like Bunny are playing the same FPL, as I am playing? :-)


You don't remember the good times when MMA put himself as his captain, do you?

No!!! Seriously? :-))) You know, I am a newbie, I discovered TL first last summer ...


Oh, shame, all the things you have missed you could have complained about )

What? There were things, people could complain about??????
You mean, there was some Korean ban before 2016 as well?
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