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On April 21 2016 16:43 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:On April 21 2016 16:36 bduddy wrote:On April 21 2016 16:32 opisska wrote:
Maybe you will call it heresy, but I am not really too offended with someone throwing a game in a series they won at the end anyway. It doesn't really change anything while allowing a player to get a nice side income. Can you ban people for making posts this incredibly stupid? I don't find anything stupid on it. Life won the match with throwing a map here and there. As long as it doesn't affect the final result I am OK with it. I am under no circumstances ok with it. It's blatantly throwing away competitive integrity. Some small part of me does think it makes a difference somehow, but still
Bla bla competitive integrity is just a pointless buzzword anyway. I am really fed up with how everyone considers matchfixing worse than mass murder.
I would see an activity that leads you to winning when you would lose anyway as a really big problem for the competition (hacking, stream cheating, whatever .... But deliberately losing, I am just not that crazy about. In particular when it doesn't change the outcome of the series (and the map score is not used for anything). It's worse in PL, when it kinda shits on your teammates, but in individual leagues, it's just up to you, if you really want to lose, isn't it?
And as I have said a dozen times: yes, it's stealing money, but from mainly people who bet illegally - and you are sort of not supposed to expect your investment to be legally protected, when it's against the law in the first place, right?
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On April 21 2016 16:14 Grettin wrote:Increasing the prize pool would probably help, considering you get 7 times more the money for throwing a match/game than actually winning the tournament itself.
I can tell you now that won't change until 2017. Blizzard's goal for 2016 is increasing its own stock value.
This is how players, community members, and others become implicated and potentially unemployed. I would love to talk about this on a talk show at some point, but my sleep schedule puts me to bed at 4:00 A.M. and the earliest talk show here begins at like 6:00 A.M. my time.
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On April 21 2016 16:49 Comeback_SC2 wrote:
Well...time for me to stop being a quiet reader i feel.
Life is my age and I have been following and loving that kid since zenex days, and even though Rain became my favorite player ever since his wcs asia games vs. parting, i always looked up to life, as he just felt like someone so special to me. Part of this is because his first incredible run for like half a year i believe was during a time in which i was very ill, while starcraft was something i could hold on and look foward to playing as soon as i got better. Also very sad for Bbyong, if the reason is, as guessed prior, him having to pay for eye surgery, i really hope kespa gives him a second chance, as he seemed to be in huge troubles.
I don't know if this is the right time or place to do so, but as this is the first time i write about this, i would like to thank everyone active on TL, or active in the SC2 scene in general for helping me to get through a lot of bad times and helping me to recover from an illness i may otherwise not have been able to recover from. Sorry for my bad english and thank you all.
i always knew shit posting could help others people
keep going
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 21 2016 16:52 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:14 Grettin wrote:On April 21 2016 16:12 Charoisaur wrote:
When will this shit finally stop..? Increasing the prize pool would probably help, considering you get 7 times more the money for throwing a match/game than actually winning the tournament itself. Make progamers more aware of the consequences of such actions. Protect progamers more than what is already done with fair conditions, better salaries, etc. Better prize pool would also help I guess. Protect progamers who are approached to match-fix. Better surveillance on who is offering these deals and cracking down on betting. Pretty terrible all around.
They cannot even protect their health with proper educating them of the seating position. Do you really think they will start controlling the environment, new campaign and they offer them better salaries, or that they will try to give them the hardest punishment possible so they do not have to do nothing that would actually help? 
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On April 21 2016 16:53 ShiroKaisen wrote:
fuck this asshole for stopping Mvp from getting the G5L
you don't get to ruin something that cool to start your own legend and then do something this shitty
fuck.
I just thought of the exact same thing
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On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?
I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.
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On April 21 2016 16:54 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:43 Yorkie wrote:On April 21 2016 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:On April 21 2016 16:36 bduddy wrote:On April 21 2016 16:32 opisska wrote:
Maybe you will call it heresy, but I am not really too offended with someone throwing a game in a series they won at the end anyway. It doesn't really change anything while allowing a player to get a nice side income. Can you ban people for making posts this incredibly stupid? I don't find anything stupid on it. Life won the match with throwing a map here and there. As long as it doesn't affect the final result I am OK with it. I am under no circumstances ok with it. It's blatantly throwing away competitive integrity. Some small part of me does think it makes a difference somehow, but still Bla bla competitive integrity is just a pointless buzzword anyway. I am really fed up with how everyone considers matchfixing worse than mass murder. I would see an activity that leads you to winning when you would lose anyway as a really big problem for the competition (hacking, stream cheating, whatever .... But deliberately losing, I am just not that crazy about. In particular when it doesn't change the outcome of the series (and the map score is not used for anything). It's worse in PL, when it kinda shits on your teammates, but in individual leagues, it's just up to you, if you really want to lose, isn't it? And as I have said a dozen times: yes, it's stealing money, but from mainly people who bet illegally - and you are sort of not supposed to expect your investment to be legally protected, when it's against the law in the first place, right?
Damn dude I'm the closest thing you're gonna get to an ally on this issue.
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On April 21 2016 16:53 fealx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:On April 21 2016 16:36 bduddy wrote:On April 21 2016 16:32 opisska wrote:
Maybe you will call it heresy, but I am not really too offended with someone throwing a game in a series they won at the end anyway. It doesn't really change anything while allowing a player to get a nice side income. Can you ban people for making posts this incredibly stupid? I don't find anything stupid on it. Life won the match with throwing a map here and there. As long as it doesn't affect the final result I am OK with it. the Naniwa Probe-Rushing thing was "ok" because that match didnt make any sense. Real matchfixing like in this case is never ok, even if the outcome is the same.
It's ok because he wasn't paid to throw? Not sure what your point is
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.
It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems
It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.
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On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich. It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.
Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol
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France12785 Posts
I only read the last page and OP, is it confirmed that it is Life?
Anyways, finally some news about this, was about time.
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Hong Kong9153 Posts
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On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?
You keep saying Life was a gambler, do we know if that's true, or just a rumor someone spread? I honestly want to know.
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Life would have needed a proper mentor to obtain something called common sense.
I'm pretty bummed out, can hardly begin to imagine what some people are thinking at this point, especially guys like Zealously.
Can't even imagine to begin how I'd feel like right now if it were Maru. Pretty betrayed, I guess.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 21 2016 17:00 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich. It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems It's Mvp that bought his parents a house. Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol
well there were also rumors he was broke because of his gambling problems, but that one is less certain
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On April 21 2016 17:00 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich. It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems It's Mvp that bought his parents a house. Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol
Either way most teenagers don't have 400k to play with and no supervision. Not condoning the match fixing but I don't blame him for fucking up his money if he had no help/support/guidance on that front
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 21 2016 17:01 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? You keep saying Life was a gambler, do we know if that's true, or just a rumor someone spread? I honestly want to know.
A lot of (reliable) people have corroborated that he loves to gamble. To what extent, we can only speculate.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 21 2016 17:00 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich. It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems It's Mvp that bought his parents a house. Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol
MC confirmed he saw him gamble 20000 away in one night. Make of that what you will.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling? I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich. It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.
Which follows what I wrote earlier. Teams want 110 % from players but they cannot protect their health. Gambling addiction is a health issue and what more, makes the player liability to the competition! And nothing happened. PLayers have wrist issues, nobody cares. Players are slaves(hey, Prime) and nobody cares. Players throw a map here and there and KeSPA lose their mind. WTF? Am I the only one who see a HUGE problem in it?
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