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Life and Bbyong charged with match-fixing - Page 5

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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 21 2016 07:54 GMT
#81
On April 21 2016 16:43 Yorkie wrote:
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On April 21 2016 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:36 bduddy wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:32 opisska wrote:
Maybe you will call it heresy, but I am not really too offended with someone throwing a game in a series they won at the end anyway. It doesn't really change anything while allowing a player to get a nice side income.

Can you ban people for making posts this incredibly stupid?

I don't find anything stupid on it. Life won the match with throwing a map here and there. As long as it doesn't affect the final result I am OK with it.

I am under no circumstances ok with it. It's blatantly throwing away competitive integrity. Some small part of me does think it makes a difference somehow, but still


Bla bla competitive integrity is just a pointless buzzword anyway. I am really fed up with how everyone considers matchfixing worse than mass murder.

I would see an activity that leads you to winning when you would lose anyway as a really big problem for the competition (hacking, stream cheating, whatever .... But deliberately losing, I am just not that crazy about. In particular when it doesn't change the outcome of the series (and the map score is not used for anything). It's worse in PL, when it kinda shits on your teammates, but in individual leagues, it's just up to you, if you really want to lose, isn't it?

And as I have said a dozen times: yes, it's stealing money, but from mainly people who bet illegally - and you are sort of not supposed to expect your investment to be legally protected, when it's against the law in the first place, right?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 07:56:42
April 21 2016 07:54 GMT
#82
On April 21 2016 16:14 Grettin wrote:
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On April 21 2016 16:12 Charoisaur wrote:
When will this shit finally stop..?


Increasing the prize pool would probably help, considering you get 7 times more the money for throwing a match/game than actually winning the tournament itself.

I can tell you now that won't change until 2017. Blizzard's goal for 2016 is increasing its own stock value.

This is how players, community members, and others become implicated and potentially unemployed. I would love to talk about this on a talk show at some point, but my sleep schedule puts me to bed at 4:00 A.M. and the earliest talk show here begins at like 6:00 A.M. my time.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 07:54:44
April 21 2016 07:54 GMT
#83
On April 21 2016 16:49 Comeback_SC2 wrote:
Well...time for me to stop being a quiet reader i feel.
Life is my age and I have been following and loving that kid since zenex days, and even though Rain became my favorite player ever since his wcs asia games vs. parting, i always looked up to life, as he just felt like someone so special to me. Part of this is because his first incredible run for like half a year i believe was during a time in which i was very ill, while starcraft was something i could hold on and look foward to playing as soon as i got better. Also very sad for Bbyong, if the reason is, as guessed prior, him having to pay for eye surgery, i really hope kespa gives him a second chance, as he seemed to be in huge troubles.

I don't know if this is the right time or place to do so, but as this is the first time i write about this, i would like to thank everyone active on TL, or active in the SC2 scene in general for helping me to get through a lot of bad times and helping me to recover from an illness i may otherwise not have been able to recover from. Sorry for my bad english and thank you all.

i always knew shit posting could help others people

keep going
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 21 2016 07:55 GMT
#84
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 21 2016 07:56 GMT
#85
On April 21 2016 16:52 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:14 Grettin wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:12 Charoisaur wrote:
When will this shit finally stop..?


Increasing the prize pool would probably help, considering you get 7 times more the money for throwing a match/game than actually winning the tournament itself.


Make progamers more aware of the consequences of such actions.

Protect progamers more than what is already done with fair conditions, better salaries, etc.

Better prize pool would also help I guess.

Protect progamers who are approached to match-fix.

Better surveillance on who is offering these deals and cracking down on betting.



Pretty terrible all around.

They cannot even protect their health with proper educating them of the seating position. Do you really think they will start controlling the environment, new campaign and they offer them better salaries, or that they will try to give them the hardest punishment possible so they do not have to do nothing that would actually help?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
April 21 2016 07:56 GMT
#86
On April 21 2016 16:53 ShiroKaisen wrote:
fuck this asshole for stopping Mvp from getting the G5L

you don't get to ruin something that cool to start your own legend and then do something this shitty

fuck.

I just thought of the exact same thing
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 07:59:15
April 21 2016 07:58 GMT
#87
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 21 2016 07:58 GMT
#88
On April 21 2016 16:54 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:43 Yorkie wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:36 bduddy wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:32 opisska wrote:
Maybe you will call it heresy, but I am not really too offended with someone throwing a game in a series they won at the end anyway. It doesn't really change anything while allowing a player to get a nice side income.

Can you ban people for making posts this incredibly stupid?

I don't find anything stupid on it. Life won the match with throwing a map here and there. As long as it doesn't affect the final result I am OK with it.

I am under no circumstances ok with it. It's blatantly throwing away competitive integrity. Some small part of me does think it makes a difference somehow, but still


Bla bla competitive integrity is just a pointless buzzword anyway. I am really fed up with how everyone considers matchfixing worse than mass murder.

I would see an activity that leads you to winning when you would lose anyway as a really big problem for the competition (hacking, stream cheating, whatever .... But deliberately losing, I am just not that crazy about. In particular when it doesn't change the outcome of the series (and the map score is not used for anything). It's worse in PL, when it kinda shits on your teammates, but in individual leagues, it's just up to you, if you really want to lose, isn't it?

And as I have said a dozen times: yes, it's stealing money, but from mainly people who bet illegally - and you are sort of not supposed to expect your investment to be legally protected, when it's against the law in the first place, right?

Damn dude I'm the closest thing you're gonna get to an ally on this issue.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 07:59:58
April 21 2016 07:59 GMT
#89
On April 21 2016 16:53 fealx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:36 bduddy wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:32 opisska wrote:
Maybe you will call it heresy, but I am not really too offended with someone throwing a game in a series they won at the end anyway. It doesn't really change anything while allowing a player to get a nice side income.

Can you ban people for making posts this incredibly stupid?

I don't find anything stupid on it. Life won the match with throwing a map here and there. As long as it doesn't affect the final result I am OK with it.

the Naniwa Probe-Rushing thing was "ok" because that match didnt make any sense. Real matchfixing like in this case is never ok, even if the outcome is the same.

It's ok because he wasn't paid to throw? Not sure what your point is
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 07:59:51
April 21 2016 07:59 GMT
#90
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.


It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems

It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 21 2016 08:00 GMT
#91
On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.


It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems

It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.

Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12771 Posts
April 21 2016 08:00 GMT
#92
I only read the last page and OP, is it confirmed that it is Life?
Anyways, finally some news about this, was about time.
WriterMaru
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9152 Posts
April 21 2016 08:01 GMT
#93
disgusting filth
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
20-Minute-Jackal
Profile Joined May 2015
United States336 Posts
April 21 2016 08:01 GMT
#94
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

You keep saying Life was a gambler, do we know if that's true, or just a rumor someone spread? I honestly want to know.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 21 2016 08:01 GMT
#95
Life would have needed a proper mentor to obtain something called common sense.

I'm pretty bummed out, can hardly begin to imagine what some people are thinking at this point, especially guys like Zealously.

Can't even imagine to begin how I'd feel like right now if it were Maru. Pretty betrayed, I guess.
maru lover forever
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 21 2016 08:02 GMT
#96
On April 21 2016 17:00 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.


It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems

It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.

Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol


well there were also rumors he was broke because of his gambling problems, but that one is less certain
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 21 2016 08:02 GMT
#97
On April 21 2016 17:00 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.


It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems

It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.

Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol

Either way most teenagers don't have 400k to play with and no supervision. Not condoning the match fixing but I don't blame him for fucking up his money if he had no help/support/guidance on that front
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 21 2016 08:03 GMT
#98
On April 21 2016 17:01 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

You keep saying Life was a gambler, do we know if that's true, or just a rumor someone spread? I honestly want to know.


A lot of (reliable) people have corroborated that he loves to gamble. To what extent, we can only speculate.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 21 2016 08:03 GMT
#99
On April 21 2016 17:00 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.


It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems

It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.

Still a big leap to say that he gambled literally all of his money away lol


MC confirmed he saw him gamble 20000 away in one night. Make of that what you will.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 21 2016 08:03 GMT
#100
On April 21 2016 16:59 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On April 21 2016 16:55 lichter wrote:
A better support structure is what is necessary. How do you raise a kid that's earned 400k and then let him squander it all away on vice and gambling?

I heard he gave basically all of his prize money to his parents, not sure if true. So perhaps he wasn't quite that rich.


It's a widely known "secret" that he had gambling problems

It's Mvp that bought his parents a house.

Which follows what I wrote earlier. Teams want 110 % from players but they cannot protect their health. Gambling addiction is a health issue and what more, makes the player liability to the competition! And nothing happened. PLayers have wrist issues, nobody cares. Players are slaves(hey, Prime) and nobody cares. Players throw a map here and there and KeSPA lose their mind. WTF? Am I the only one who see a HUGE problem in it?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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