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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
On April 15 2016 16:32 Musicus wrote: Sometimes I think it is, wc3 and BW were both slower, but then again it's also very exciting due to the speed. Every time I go back to wc3, it just feels soooo slow. hahaha for me too | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
On April 15 2016 17:08 BisuDagger wrote: The damage output was extremely high and max supply death balls ended games in seconds. DPS still is on the strong side, but I think the redesign of LoTV has made the damage output more reasonable to manage. So while I wouldn't say the game speed is too fast, I would nerf the DPS across the board just the slightest bit. yeah this would make fights last a litle bit longer + Show Spoiler + more time for micro | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 15 2016 19:20 deacon.frost wrote: You are not supposed to train to enjoy a game unless you want to be a pro. This game requires training for being a FUCKING GOLD PLAYER! Get better isn't an aswer to someone who doesn't have the time and just wants to enjoy the game... never mind, why am I trying? No mate, clearly games are made to get mad and not to have fun d: | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
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Amazonic
Sweden239 Posts
On April 15 2016 15:37 Laul wrote: When I play, I dun really see any opportunity to really be 'strategic,' yknow? Like, why waste my time making solid tanks lines and defenses when I could just as easily mash A and stim attack-move till I win? Or even if it does go to late game, I'm just left in a trance where I'm just pressing buttons until I win, trying to keep up production at max. Thoughts? I'm very curious to know your league to better understand where you're coming from. I don't agree at all that the game is too fast or that there aren't enough opportunities to be strategic. I very much doubt mashing a and a moving works for very long, and if it does - hey, you've mastered macro. Soon enough you'll hit people that can defend that stuff and you'll be forced to think more strategically. Then again, you might be a grandmaster and I'm just wrong, but it looks to me like you've quickly improved your macro skills and haven't ranked up enough yet to hit people who give you a proper challenge. | ||
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Dingodile
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DinosaurPoop
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On April 15 2016 19:20 deacon.frost wrote: You are not supposed to train to enjoy a game unless you want to be a pro. This game requires training for being a FUCKING GOLD PLAYER! Get better isn't an aswer to someone who doesn't have the time and just wants to enjoy the game... never mind, why am I trying? You don't need training to be a gold player wtf? As opposed to games like fighters (Street Fighter especially) you don't need to play / train a lot in training mode or 1v1 CPU to just be able to enjoy the game... You can start ranked right after purchasing LotV and do real games that are therefore fun without having to practice basic combos or whatever. | ||
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Ripfu
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On April 15 2016 15:37 Laul wrote: When I play, I dun really see any opportunity to really be 'strategic,' yknow? Like, why waste my time making solid tanks lines and defenses when I could just as easily mash A and stim attack-move till I win? Or even if it does go to late game, I'm just left in a trance where I'm just pressing buttons until I win, trying to keep up production at max. Thoughts? This is just a really inane set of questions. You should be defending and attacking at the same time if you are any good. And if you're not you can win through macro, a move, and nothing else. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 15 2016 15:37 Laul wrote: When I play, I dun really see any opportunity to really be 'strategic,' yknow? Like, why waste my time making solid tanks lines and defenses when I could just as easily mash A and stim attack-move till I win? Or even if it does go to late game, I'm just left in a trance where I'm just pressing buttons until I win, trying to keep up production at max. Thoughts? 1 - until a certain level what only matters is the macro and the micro BEFORE battles, like how you split and set your concave. Thinking you can individually micro units and be efficient is a mistake. So yes, positioning your army, then A moving and stiming is the correct way to go in lower leagues. 2 - If you really focus on improving step by step, you'll get to a point where macro will be semi automatic, your positioning almost instant and then you'll have time to do more micro in battles. Best example (as you seem to be terran) is the marine split vs bane. At first, you will just hear the death sounds and step by step you will start to react faster and faster up to a point you'll be so fast at doing it that you'll be able to manage a drop while you're splitting. 3 - all in all I think it's all about learning curve and mechanics' routine. I don't think the game is too fast in the end because you end up somewhat addicted to this speed and it's a huge part of the skill ceiling in this game. Someone talked about WC3, but WC3 failed because it was too slow - even if the fact that it was playable in LAN mode created opportunities for lot of reactive micro. That said, where there is a problem IMHO is the fact it relies a lot on your hardware, if your GPU/CPU can't handle a big ling/bane engagement decently, you'll be in trouble, same thing with your mouse, if it's a standard mouse you may have issues. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On April 15 2016 19:20 deacon.frost wrote: You are not supposed to train to enjoy a game unless you want to be a pro. This game requires training for being a FUCKING GOLD PLAYER! Get better isn't an aswer to someone who doesn't have the time and just wants to enjoy the game... never mind, why am I trying? Seriously, I think it's about being at ease with yourself. If you don't have time and can't train, you can have fun in silver league, you have silly games you do your silly strats you execute them like crap but it's fun nonetheless. you sound like you'd want to be good without putting the effort to be good, that's will get you extremely frustrated. If you don't want to try hard, just don't and enjoy silver league or team games fun. It's cool to be bad at something when you're ok with it. But more importantly, I personnally don't see any game in the world where you don't actually train one way or another. The least you do is to get just a tad better than last time you played. Trying to get better is the core of any game for me. If I don't want to get better, I just usually don't play at all. | ||
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evolsiefil
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SCHRECKEN111
13 Posts
 (im 37). And think that the level of play is still increasing. Two years ago it was much easier so you can add at least one level of league - if you are gold in lotv it means you would be platinum in hots. so cheer up and have fun Master league should be for masters so for pro players and diamond for great talents but for casual player : gold is fully appropriate. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
You need a really high apm that doesn't come from your muscle memory though if you want to play LotV Ladder more strategic/tactical rather then macro oriented. But its possible and actually easier as in HotS. I think Grid Layout helps me alot to prevent my muscles doing things on their own. But the easier way is to concentrate on macro and muscle memoery it seems. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 15 2016 20:42 Gwavajuice wrote: Seriously, I think it's about being at ease with yourself. If you don't have time and can't train, you can have fun in silver league, you have silly games you do your silly strats you execute them like crap but it's fun nonetheless. you sound like you'd want to be good without putting the effort to be good, that's will get you extremely frustrated. If you don't want to try hard, just don't and enjoy silver league or team games fun. It's cool to be bad at something when you're ok with it. But more importantly, I personnally don't see any game in the world where you don't actually train one way or another. The least you do is to get just a tad better than last time you played. Trying to get better is the core of any game for me. If I don't want to get better, I just usually don't play at all. I mean, the bolded part is your personal assessment of fun. I personally do not like these kinds of games. As you say, they are silly. I don't have to play an RTS if all I want to do is micromanage a reaper while stockpiling money, I can just play a game that is actually designed to just micromanage a single character/unit and it's going to be lightyears better fit for that type of gameplay. | ||
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Agh
United States1016 Posts
If a game has a UI capable of performing all actions in a fluid way (SC2 definitely does) then it should be played at the fastest setting possible. Granted this is just my opinion, if there is an issue with a game's speed it is almost always attributed to UI functionality, or a bad choice in elements of the game's design. | ||
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
I believe that OP was talking about game pace and volatility and not the actual game speed. | ||
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outscar
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
1 game can last 1 year. and still you will not figure how to outflank your opponents. In sc2 when your mind habituate to the fast speed you start seeing the strategical options you can execute. | ||
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