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When I play, I dun really see any opportunity to really be 'strategic,' yknow?
Like, why waste my time making solid tanks lines and defenses when I could just as easily mash A and stim attack-move till I win?
Or even if it does go to late game, I'm just left in a trance where I'm just pressing buttons until I win, trying to keep up production at max.
Thoughts?
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As I see it you have 3 options: 1) Become faster 2) Play a slower game 3) Whine on the internet about it
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On April 15 2016 15:42 RoomOfMush wrote: As I see it you have 3 options: 1) Become faster 2) Play a slower game 3) Whine on the internet about it
Well that's not 'thoughts' more-so orders. I'm not complaining, no need to be rude. It's not an issue of skill, I'm just asking people what they think of game speed, jeez >.>
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Well, that is my opinion on game speed. There is games with different game speeds. Some people like it faster and some like it slower. You should pick the game you feel comfortable with. You dont like the speed in a particular game? Doesnt mean there is nobody who likes it how it is. For this reason it comes to you to fix it with either step I enumerated in my first post.
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The time to be strategic is in between games, where you plan a reaction to a build you've lost to or create an aggressive build, ect...
When you are in game, it is just act and react and you do what you know. If you try to make things up in game, you'll just get crushed, at least at the higher levels.
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Try Battlefleet Gothic Armada if you want a slower RTS. It even has a minute of slo-mo time every player can use in multiplayer to micro in almost quasi pause, even though its already quite slow compared to SC2. It so slow I don't even bothered to look up hotkeys yet.
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Part of strategy is executing quickly. This requires good mechanics which simply increases the skill cap of the game. League of Legends requires strategy too but you have essentially infinite amounts of time to make strategic decisions.
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For any RTS mechanics will play a role to some extent. But if both players are as good at 'pressing buttons' the person who presses buttons more strategically will have the edge. Simply stim a-moving won't always get you there, and knowing when to do so, and when to form tank lines is part of strategy. Even at a low level there is room for strategy (which units to build, when to attack etc) though sheer mechanical skill still matters.
Interestingly there is a good argument that Starcraft 2 is too fast, that units deal too much damage and that consequently battles don't last long enough to allow tactical decisions to sway them. However that isn't really relevant to your question which doesn't really relate to the speed of the game per se, but rather whether the game is too 'mechanical' and not 'strategic' enough.
Personally I think there is room at all levels to be strategic.
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On April 15 2016 15:46 Laul wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 15:42 RoomOfMush wrote: As I see it you have 3 options: 1) Become faster 2) Play a slower game 3) Whine on the internet about it Well that's not 'thoughts' more-so orders. I'm not complaining, no need to be rude. It's not an issue of skill, I'm just asking people what they think of game speed, jeez >.>
Well in General i would agree - but i am a BW kid and i think its safe to say that SC2 would be retarded on slower speed just play a game vs AI and see how "boring" it gets due to all the automation's the game has (Multiple Building Selection, Mineral Mine Rally etc.) But I know what you mean just play more and the game will slow down due to your actions becoming more fluid ( Liquid ;-) )
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Wasn't Blizzard planning on creating an unranked matchmaking option with game speed set to Fast?
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On April 15 2016 15:37 Laul wrote:When I play, I dun really see any opportunity to really be 'strategic,' yknow? Same here, it's a game of "build more stuff and a-move", unless you are in the top ten of pro players.
I'd really like to do an experiment - sc2 with slow speed, both players always revealed and without supply cap. I expect to see very interesting games. Hell, I'd even sponsor the price pool to get somewhat able players into such a tournament :-)
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The pace of the game is too bloody fast. Search for Canata and LotV being too difficult ,-)
(IIRC Canata is a former BW pro)
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On April 15 2016 16:17 Darkn3ssFallz wrote: Wasn't Blizzard planning on creating an unranked matchmaking option with game speed set to Fast? Yes, but that is not what people want. Many people want the game be slower in terms of pace. SLower game speed is fucked up idea because then you cannot use it when you advance beyond the fast speed. Muscle memory is bad, timings are off, everything is fucked up. WoL has the exact same speed but yet it feels much slower, why is that? because mutas don§t have turboregen, ferrarivacs are slow, no speedy gonzales disco ball destroying mineral lines left and right in few seconds. The game is fast yet it feels much slower compared to LotV ,-)
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Sometimes I think it is, wc3 and BW were both slower, but then again it's also very exciting due to the speed. Every time I go back to wc3, it just feels soooo slow.
You can just set the game speed to fast instead of faster and play a custom game like this and see if you enjoy it more. I don't think you will.
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speedy gonzales disco ball :D
imo, it's true there are things that are too fast in SC2, it puts too much emphasis on reflexes and speed, and strategy needs to be more planned in advance not much time to think, or to observe, position, decide, etc. The element of volatility in SC2 is worsened by the speed of it, which increases the luck factor too.
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On April 15 2016 16:32 Musicus wrote: Sometimes I think it is, wc3 and BW were both slower, but then again it's also very exciting due to the speed. Every time I go back to wc3, it just feels soooo slow.
You can just set the game speed to fast instead of faster and play a custom game like this and see if you enjoy it more. I don't think you will. Faster vs. Fast isn't even an option. Unless you want to spend your SC2 time in games vs. AI. Because of the way how custom games are created ><
(Also I think the OP is writing about the pacing of the game, not the game speed itself)
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I heard a lot of non sc players saying this is the reason why they won't play sc, as if this game is literally about who can click the fastest, but I think this actually makes the ability to be more strategic more important because time is always pressuring you.
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On April 15 2016 16:17 Darkn3ssFallz wrote: Wasn't Blizzard planning on creating an unranked matchmaking option with game speed set to Fast? Yea but Blizzard realized players will most likely eventually move on to ranked games and then they just have to get used to the pace of the game again.
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I think it isn't too fast.
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Depends what your definition of strategy is. In my opinion, Strategy is used in higher or lower degree in every aspect of my life. Some decisions require time and calculations. Others are snap decisions that are based on limited information.
If I understand it correctly, you are saying that SC2 is so fast, that you find the amount of strategy less than ideal for your liking.
If that is the case, unfortunately, there are not many options...
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