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On March 27 2016 02:58 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 01:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 27 2016 00:59 Elentos wrote:On March 27 2016 00:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
So if the both of you were getting along quite well, why didn't Harstem stand up for you and say he was fine with your opening the replay ? On March 25 2016 18:37 Scarlett` wrote:On March 25 2016 17:52 Musicus wrote:
If Has wins vs Harstem? How much would he wish he just did not say anything about Sioras using his computer to watch replays? he was trying to get them not to dq sioras .. X_X Nice thanks. The organizers were really harsh on that one, there is the letter but the spirit too, and Sioras' storyline was such a nice one... Harstem's manager was making a fuss out of it, notice that it is basically just him on twitter. However that forces Blizzard/Netease's hand, Harstem himself has no problem with what Sioras did and actively tried to not get Sioras DQed.
That's pretty weird if true, no offense Sioras but I'm pretty sure Harstem was a bigger favourite to win against you than Has... or did he think the DQ would get Harstem to the semis with no match?
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This is why we shouldn't go all angry about someone from a single tweet.
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On March 29 2016 17:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This is why we shouldn't go all angry about someone from a single tweet.
And we're not, what's done is done and I belive all those DQ's didn't matter at all considering overall results. Sioras should blame only himself actually, but that's not a tragedy I think?
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On March 29 2016 12:06 Harstem wrote:
I would like to add two things to what sioras said.
He really had no intention of hiding it,he just sat there while I was talking to marinelord and I could turn around any second and see him watch the replay. So that either makes him the dumbest cheater in existence or it confirms what he already said. On top of that he as watching on 1X speed so even though I was gone for a few minutes he was only 2:15 in. It was so obvious that he didn't do it with bad intentions. As a response to this the organisers gave him a warning and told him that watching replays of someone else one more time will get him disqualified. I think this was the appropriate response to the situation. Then on the day of the game itself just before we got in the bus they told us that blizzard decided to overrule the warning and make it a disqualification. I appreciate that blizzard is protecting the players and the competitive integrity of their tournaments, but I believe they should have first at least asked me how it went down. If they after hearing my story still thought a disqualification was the appropriate response then so be it,but I feel like this was too much for too little.
Just my two cents (sorry for my incoherent story, am on mymy phone and on a holiday )
It happened because it went big on twitter, so I wonder why Sebou complained if he knew that Sioras was only joking.
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It's good to hear that there was no malicious intent, and it's a shame there was such a knee-jerk reaction to it. But in the end I can't really be mad at blizz for wanting zero-tolerance in regards to a player sneaking onto someones computer to watch replays/do stuff. It just isn't a smart thing to do in the middle of a competition even if it was a joke.
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So who do we blame for all this: Blizzard and people that blew this out of proportion on twitter or Sioras for being a troll :D
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I personally share the feeling of Sioras and Harstem, it was a joke that was then taken seriously by GPL/Sebou/blizzard.
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On March 29 2016 12:06 Harstem wrote:
I would like to add two things to what sioras said.
He really had no intention of hiding it,he just sat there while I was talking to marinelord and I could turn around any second and see him watch the replay. So that either makes him the dumbest cheater in existence or it confirms what he already said. On top of that he as watching on 1X speed so even though I was gone for a few minutes he was only 2:15 in. It was so obvious that he didn't do it with bad intentions. As a response to this the organisers gave him a warning and told him that watching replays of someone else one more time will get him disqualified. I think this was the appropriate response to the situation. Then on the day of the game itself just before we got in the bus they told us that blizzard decided to overrule the warning and make it a disqualification. I appreciate that blizzard is protecting the players and the competitive integrity of their tournaments, but I believe they should have first at least asked me how it went down. If they after hearing my story still thought a disqualification was the appropriate response then so be it,but I feel like this was too much for too little.
Just my two cents (sorry for my incoherent story, am on mymy phone and on a holiday )
Wow! That's some next level Blizzard move there. Incompetence at a whole new level.
"Hey guys, we're Blizzard, an Sioras is exactly the kind of foreigner we want to give a chance by barring the Koreans with WCS 2016. Oh, no wait, here's a fuck you, and another one, get out of our competition you ignorant fuck".
Really, those guys should be fired.
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Honestly should have been up to harstem.
If he wants him DQ its fair, but if he decides to play - also ok.
I couldnt blame him either way.
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It's strange because it was sebou who blew it up. And sebou is harstem's manager.
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On March 29 2016 19:12 TechNoTrance wrote:
It's good to hear that there was no malicious intent, and it's a shame there was such a knee-jerk reaction to it. But in the end I can't really be mad at blizz for wanting zero-tolerance in regards to a player sneaking onto someones computer to watch replays/do stuff. It just isn't a smart thing to do in the middle of a competition even if it was a joke.
Not to mention it could potentially open the door to something worse if both parties colluded and let each other watch replays. Say you have a two P players, and one of them faces a Z player. That other P player could ask to watch replays of that Z player if the first P player say it's ok.
I'm not saying that people will cheat if blizz and the organizers hadn't DQed him, but I can also see why they want to be very strict on not watching replays on another person's computer. It's an extremely slippery slope.
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I'm just going to say something short since everyone seems to have an opinion.
First i would like to point out that my tweet came after i received many different points of views which all point to the fact that Sioras was on Harstem computer from 30 sec to 5 min, noone could tell me. I've nothing against Sioras personally, but receiving phone calls informing of that incident made me pretty upset and i have to say blizzard's reaction was the good call. Noone is denying the facts even today.
My job is to protect my players no matter what and the facts were there someone did accessed Harstem's computer without his consent and as far as anyone knew it could have been from 30 sec to 5 min. During this time anything could have happened but the only sure thing is when Harstem came back Sioras was in from of his computer while a replay was on in PvZ.
Sioras can say it was a joke, Harstem can say maybe it was, but as a manager i cannot let something like this goes unnoticed to one of my players.
I have been most of the events, i know most of the professional players pretty well and i know how players troll each others and mess around all the time. But when i got informed by this incident, in no way ANYONE was implying a joke was involved.
However what i regret is that Harstem got penalized in a way by the sanction, because then when Sioras got DQ they replaced him by Has which was in my opinion debatable, but at the end it is their call if they want to replace a player by another.
What i can argue on is on how they informed and communicate with Harstem. They informed him way too late and also with a communication problem. Let me explain, when they informed Harstem he is not going to play his match up for which he has prepared for days but is going to face a Protoss, they first told him we will give you time and you will play last. Right in the middle of the second series, someone informed him he has to play soon.
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Thanks for the info Sebou, I can understand that you have to fight for you players and it probably sounded a lot worse than it was.
Blizzard should've maybe taken Harstem's opinion into account and not DQed Sioras though, instead a prize money deduction seems like the correct move. They indirectly punished Harstem by giving him a different opponent.
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Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people.
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On March 31 2016 00:46 Saechiis wrote:
Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people.
Yeah, all points made by anyone involved seems pretty fair and reasonable to me. Should we call this over, and move on to the next drama ?
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On March 31 2016 01:00 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 00:46 Saechiis wrote:
Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people. Yeah, all points made by anyone involved seems pretty fair and reasonable to me. Should we call this over, and move on to the next drama ?
I was thinking we could throw someone in the river with a rock tied to them, and if he survives we can declare him a witch and a hacker. And then we can get stuck in discussions about different species of swallows.
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On March 31 2016 07:03 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 01:00 oGoZenob wrote:On March 31 2016 00:46 Saechiis wrote:
Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people. Yeah, all points made by anyone involved seems pretty fair and reasonable to me. Should we call this over, and move on to the next drama ? I was thinking we could throw someone in the river with a rock tied to them, and if he survives we can declare him a witch and a hacker. And then we can get stuck in discussions about different species of swallows.
speaking of that, what is your quest ? And your favorite color ?
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