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I was watching a replay of harstem, but not for the reason you are thinking. So I'll go over what exactly happened.
Harstem was the friendliest to me when i first got to the tournament. We were getting along really well and we were hanging out bantering around and stuff. When we knew we were playing against each other I immidietly thought that i would never win and in my head i had already accepted defeat so i was just fooling around there and standing behind harstem going "I'm just here for research hehehe" and he seemed to be fine with that and so when he went away for a second I decided to jokingly open up a replay and be like "Kappa" and I had no intention of "stealing" replays or watching it when he was gone to gain an advantage, he wasn't that far away so my plan was just to watch about 10 seconds and he would see it and come and we just laugh about it and that is exactly what happened.
Had my opponent been nerchio,ptitdrogo or anyone else, I would not even try to stand behind them since I didn't really talk to them that much and I would asume that they would be just like "Can you go away? why are you here?"
I'm asuming that in the rules it says that under no circumstance someone should open up a replay of an opponent so the disqualification.. fair enough.
So I just want to clear up that I had no bad intentions and Harstem and me are cool and it was just a joke.
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So if the both of you were getting along quite well, why didn't Harstem stand up for you and say he was fine with your opening the replay ?
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On March 27 2016 00:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
So if the both of you were getting along quite well, why didn't Harstem stand up for you and say he was fine with your opening the replay ?
On March 25 2016 18:37 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 17:52 Musicus wrote:
If Has wins vs Harstem? How much would he wish he just did not say anything about Sioras using his computer to watch replays? he was trying to get them not to dq sioras .. X_X
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On March 27 2016 00:59 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 00:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
So if the both of you were getting along quite well, why didn't Harstem stand up for you and say he was fine with your opening the replay ? Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 18:37 Scarlett` wrote:On March 25 2016 17:52 Musicus wrote:
If Has wins vs Harstem? How much would he wish he just did not say anything about Sioras using his computer to watch replays? he was trying to get them not to dq sioras .. X_X
Nice thanks. The organizers were really harsh on that one, there is the letter but the spirit too, and Sioras' storyline was such a nice one...
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Man, sucks for you, good to clear that up! I would've thought the worst of you otherwise tbh.
I hope you still gained some experience and this won't affect you negatively in the future.
I have to say, Sebou, the Invasion manager, should've maybe gotten the full story before going on twitter with this. How did he even know about it, if Harstem wasn't the one who complained?
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I hope you learn from your mistake. You know you cant do that, and still you did it. Is it unconcious maybe, because in your mind you thought you had already lost? And so your unconcious thought lets DQ myself.
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WCS being heavy handed and screwing over players for minor things. Why am I not shocked?
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Ah, that suck for you, I hope you get another shot in a big tournament someday.
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On March 27 2016 01:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 00:59 Elentos wrote:On March 27 2016 00:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
So if the both of you were getting along quite well, why didn't Harstem stand up for you and say he was fine with your opening the replay ? On March 25 2016 18:37 Scarlett` wrote:On March 25 2016 17:52 Musicus wrote:
If Has wins vs Harstem? How much would he wish he just did not say anything about Sioras using his computer to watch replays? he was trying to get them not to dq sioras .. X_X Nice thanks. The organizers were really harsh on that one, there is the letter but the spirit too, and Sioras' storyline was such a nice one...
Harstem's manager was making a fuss out of it, notice that it is basically just him on twitter. However that forces Blizzard/Netease's hand, Harstem himself has no problem with what Sioras did and actively tried to not get Sioras DQed.
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I hope you and Harstem can remain friendly, now that Harstem has won, he might even jokingly give you the replays ? : D
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On March 27 2016 00:45 SiorasSC wrote:
I was watching a replay of harstem, but not for the reason you are thinking. So I'll go over what exactly happened.
Harstem was the friendliest to me when i first got to the tournament. We were getting along really well and we were hanging out bantering around and stuff. When we knew we were playing against each other I immidietly thought that i would never win and in my head i had already accepted defeat so i was just fooling around there and standing behind harstem going "I'm just here for research hehehe" and he seemed to be fine with that and so when he went away for a second I decided to jokingly open up a replay and be like "Kappa" and I had no intention of "stealing" replays or watching it when he was gone to gain an advantage, he wasn't that far away so my plan was just to watch about 10 seconds and he would see it and come and we just laugh about it and that is exactly what happened.
Had my opponent been nerchio,ptitdrogo or anyone else, I would not even try to stand behind them since I didn't really talk to them that much and I would asume that they would be just like "Can you go away? why are you here?"
I'm asuming that in the rules it says that under no circumstance someone should open up a replay of an opponent so the disqualification.. fair enough.
So I just want to clear up that I had no bad intentions and Harstem and me are cool and it was just a joke.
Thank you, this explanation sounds very reasonable ... We were discussing here that you would have to be really very stupid to do something like that publicly. So now I feel very sorry how it turned against you. Hopefully, you will manage to get some good wins in some good tournaments in the future and will be able to forget this.
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On March 27 2016 01:47 showstealer1829 wrote:
WCS being heavy handed and screwing over players for minor things. Why am I not shocked?
Hah, you think that's harsh?
Try ppp.
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hahaha WCS admins bullshitting on things :D
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It s really unfortunate but at the same time the rule is the rule and I suppose the admin had little room to do anything else.
Anyways thanks for clarifying the situation. I hope to see you in more tournaments!
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Quite sad you were disqualified, knowing how it really happened. Now, I hope we can see you in the future in other offline tournaments.
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On March 27 2016 04:10 WGT-Baal wrote:
It s really unfortunate but at the same time the rule is the rule and I suppose the admin had little room to do anything else.
Anyways thanks for clarifying the situation. I hope to see you in more tournaments!
I just believe, there is no such rule. It is similar as having a rule that you are not allowed to put your cat into microwave to dry it after rain. Or you should not throw knifes into the public. Or you should not play naked. I do not think, there is a rule that you must have clothes on you when playing at the tournament. There will be some general statement that you should be respectful or normal or "as usual"...
Really pity for Sioras. And as some people say, that he could learn from his mistakes, his only mistake was that he wanted to do a "joke with a friend" and that friend was not that much a friend, he was just a friendly foreign guy. And when the "lawyer machinery" starts once, it is difficult to stop it.
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Wait... How does everyone else dry off their cat?
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That's really unfortunate. Good luck in the future Sioras.
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That's very sad, and not much to do now, but better luck next time I guess ;/
On March 27 2016 01:47 showstealer1829 wrote:
WCS being heavy handed and screwing over players for minor things. Why am I not shocked?
You mean... minor things like living in korea? :p
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On March 27 2016 04:21 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 04:10 WGT-Baal wrote:
It s really unfortunate but at the same time the rule is the rule and I suppose the admin had little room to do anything else.
Anyways thanks for clarifying the situation. I hope to see you in more tournaments! I just believe, there is no such rule. It is similar as having a rule that you are not allowed to put your cat into microwave to dry it after rain. Or you should not throw knifes into the public. Or you should not play naked. I do not think, there is a rule that you must have clothes on you when playing at the tournament. There will be some general statement that you should be respectful or normal or "as usual"... Really pity for Sioras. And as some people say, that he could learn from his mistakes, his only mistake was that he wanted to do a "joke with a friend" and that friend was not that much a friend, he was just a friendly foreign guy. And when the "lawyer machinery" starts once, it is difficult to stop it.
Certain things don't need to be in rule books for tournaments since they are common sense, some of these things like not being naked in the public are even written down in books and are so-called "law".
Back on topic, it's really a situation that seemed to have backfired on you, hope you learn from it, no big deal if your intentions were just making a joke. Just move on and be more careful in the future.
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Oops...hehe...I accidentally walked out of the store without paying for something. I wasn't trying to steal anything, it was just a joke. Hehe..Kappa... I wanted the store clerk to laugh with me...I wouldn't have done it if a cop was there.
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Maybe players should treat wcs as premier tournament.
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That may sound sad but I believe one of the reasons for disqualification was Has being more popular in China than Sioras who "nobody cares about".
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On March 27 2016 12:25 Nerchio wrote:
That may sound sad but I believe one of the reasons for disqualification was Has being more popular in China than Sioras who "nobody cares about".
Has games have the same effect as twitch chat on my eyes tbh... 
Watching this guy beat players I like is so infuriating.
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On March 27 2016 08:47 Garuga wrote:
Oops...hehe...I accidentally walked out of the store without paying for something. I wasn't trying to steal anything, it was just a joke. Hehe..Kappa... I wanted the store clerk to laugh with me...I wouldn't have done it if a cop was there.
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Well the store owner was ok with it so.........
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I didn't realize that cheesing was equal to cheating, my mistake
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if you look a the context of the post you linked, sioras essentially says "it's ok to cheese". Not relevant to what is going in this thread.
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I would like to add two things to what sioras said.
He really had no intention of hiding it,he just sat there while I was talking to marinelord and I could turn around any second and see him watch the replay. So that either makes him the dumbest cheater in existence or it confirms what he already said. On top of that he as watching on 1X speed so even though I was gone for a few minutes he was only 2:15 in. It was so obvious that he didn't do it with bad intentions. As a response to this the organisers gave him a warning and told him that watching replays of someone else one more time will get him disqualified. I think this was the appropriate response to the situation. Then on the day of the game itself just before we got in the bus they told us that blizzard decided to overrule the warning and make it a disqualification. I appreciate that blizzard is protecting the players and the competitive integrity of their tournaments, but I believe they should have first at least asked me how it went down. If they after hearing my story still thought a disqualification was the appropriate response then so be it,but I feel like this was too much for too little.
Just my two cents (sorry for my incoherent story, am on mymy phone and on a holiday )
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IMO, it should never be on the victimized player to decide or affect the punishment, even if they really want the other player to get a light punishment. It puts too much pressure on them, and it makes the player the asshole if they want to enforce the rules.
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On March 29 2016 14:41 bduddy wrote:
IMO, it should never be on the victimized player to decide or affect the punishment, even if they really want the other player to get a light punishment. It puts too much pressure on them, and it makes the player the asshole if they want to enforce the rules.
But asking for their side of the story wouldn't be bad
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pandering like a true hero
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regardless shouldnt have looked.. no sympathy or understanding here.
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On March 29 2016 15:01 KingFool wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 14:41 bduddy wrote:
IMO, it should never be on the victimized player to decide or affect the punishment, even if they really want the other player to get a light punishment. It puts too much pressure on them, and it makes the player the asshole if they want to enforce the rules. But asking for their side of the story wouldn't be bad
you figure that you'd talk to both players if you were holding a respectable investigation
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The real facepalm is replays not being public
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On March 29 2016 12:06 Harstem wrote:
I would like to add two things to what sioras said.
He really had no intention of hiding it,he just sat there while I was talking to marinelord and I could turn around any second and see him watch the replay. So that either makes him the dumbest cheater in existence or it confirms what he already said. On top of that he as watching on 1X speed so even though I was gone for a few minutes he was only 2:15 in. It was so obvious that he didn't do it with bad intentions. As a response to this the organisers gave him a warning and told him that watching replays of someone else one more time will get him disqualified. I think this was the appropriate response to the situation. Then on the day of the game itself just before we got in the bus they told us that blizzard decided to overrule the warning and make it a disqualification. I appreciate that blizzard is protecting the players and the competitive integrity of their tournaments, but I believe they should have first at least asked me how it went down. If they after hearing my story still thought a disqualification was the appropriate response then so be it,but I feel like this was too much for too little.
Just my two cents (sorry for my incoherent story, am on mymy phone and on a holiday )
Yeah when someone posted that on twitter questioning how he could only get a warning, I had a feeling he would get removed.
The fact that it is obviously not him cheating as you pointed out, they should have asked you instead of just removing him like they did. I am betting the reddit effect took place, they were spammed on twitter "omg how could you only give him a warning, remove!!!!" and that is why he was banned.
I'll be honest I thought the guy was a piece of shit, but I was like everyone else and didn't wait to hear the whole story and listened to just that tweet. I should know better, let alone more people as there is usually more then meets the eye. Thanks for confirming the story!
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You should make another one of those Wax. Just keep making fanfic stories about it. Like, the next one can make it seem like Sioras is undergoing some serious heist. Wow how exciting.
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On March 27 2016 02:58 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 01:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 27 2016 00:59 Elentos wrote:On March 27 2016 00:58 [PkF] Wire wrote:
So if the both of you were getting along quite well, why didn't Harstem stand up for you and say he was fine with your opening the replay ? On March 25 2016 18:37 Scarlett` wrote:On March 25 2016 17:52 Musicus wrote:
If Has wins vs Harstem? How much would he wish he just did not say anything about Sioras using his computer to watch replays? he was trying to get them not to dq sioras .. X_X Nice thanks. The organizers were really harsh on that one, there is the letter but the spirit too, and Sioras' storyline was such a nice one... Harstem's manager was making a fuss out of it, notice that it is basically just him on twitter. However that forces Blizzard/Netease's hand, Harstem himself has no problem with what Sioras did and actively tried to not get Sioras DQed.
That's pretty weird if true, no offense Sioras but I'm pretty sure Harstem was a bigger favourite to win against you than Has... or did he think the DQ would get Harstem to the semis with no match?
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This is why we shouldn't go all angry about someone from a single tweet.
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On March 29 2016 17:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This is why we shouldn't go all angry about someone from a single tweet.
And we're not, what's done is done and I belive all those DQ's didn't matter at all considering overall results. Sioras should blame only himself actually, but that's not a tragedy I think?
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On March 29 2016 12:06 Harstem wrote:
I would like to add two things to what sioras said.
He really had no intention of hiding it,he just sat there while I was talking to marinelord and I could turn around any second and see him watch the replay. So that either makes him the dumbest cheater in existence or it confirms what he already said. On top of that he as watching on 1X speed so even though I was gone for a few minutes he was only 2:15 in. It was so obvious that he didn't do it with bad intentions. As a response to this the organisers gave him a warning and told him that watching replays of someone else one more time will get him disqualified. I think this was the appropriate response to the situation. Then on the day of the game itself just before we got in the bus they told us that blizzard decided to overrule the warning and make it a disqualification. I appreciate that blizzard is protecting the players and the competitive integrity of their tournaments, but I believe they should have first at least asked me how it went down. If they after hearing my story still thought a disqualification was the appropriate response then so be it,but I feel like this was too much for too little.
Just my two cents (sorry for my incoherent story, am on mymy phone and on a holiday )
It happened because it went big on twitter, so I wonder why Sebou complained if he knew that Sioras was only joking.
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It's good to hear that there was no malicious intent, and it's a shame there was such a knee-jerk reaction to it. But in the end I can't really be mad at blizz for wanting zero-tolerance in regards to a player sneaking onto someones computer to watch replays/do stuff. It just isn't a smart thing to do in the middle of a competition even if it was a joke.
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So who do we blame for all this: Blizzard and people that blew this out of proportion on twitter or Sioras for being a troll :D
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I personally share the feeling of Sioras and Harstem, it was a joke that was then taken seriously by GPL/Sebou/blizzard.
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On March 29 2016 12:06 Harstem wrote:
I would like to add two things to what sioras said.
He really had no intention of hiding it,he just sat there while I was talking to marinelord and I could turn around any second and see him watch the replay. So that either makes him the dumbest cheater in existence or it confirms what he already said. On top of that he as watching on 1X speed so even though I was gone for a few minutes he was only 2:15 in. It was so obvious that he didn't do it with bad intentions. As a response to this the organisers gave him a warning and told him that watching replays of someone else one more time will get him disqualified. I think this was the appropriate response to the situation. Then on the day of the game itself just before we got in the bus they told us that blizzard decided to overrule the warning and make it a disqualification. I appreciate that blizzard is protecting the players and the competitive integrity of their tournaments, but I believe they should have first at least asked me how it went down. If they after hearing my story still thought a disqualification was the appropriate response then so be it,but I feel like this was too much for too little.
Just my two cents (sorry for my incoherent story, am on mymy phone and on a holiday )
Wow! That's some next level Blizzard move there. Incompetence at a whole new level.
"Hey guys, we're Blizzard, an Sioras is exactly the kind of foreigner we want to give a chance by barring the Koreans with WCS 2016. Oh, no wait, here's a fuck you, and another one, get out of our competition you ignorant fuck".
Really, those guys should be fired.
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Honestly should have been up to harstem.
If he wants him DQ its fair, but if he decides to play - also ok.
I couldnt blame him either way.
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It's strange because it was sebou who blew it up. And sebou is harstem's manager.
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On March 29 2016 19:12 TechNoTrance wrote:
It's good to hear that there was no malicious intent, and it's a shame there was such a knee-jerk reaction to it. But in the end I can't really be mad at blizz for wanting zero-tolerance in regards to a player sneaking onto someones computer to watch replays/do stuff. It just isn't a smart thing to do in the middle of a competition even if it was a joke.
Not to mention it could potentially open the door to something worse if both parties colluded and let each other watch replays. Say you have a two P players, and one of them faces a Z player. That other P player could ask to watch replays of that Z player if the first P player say it's ok.
I'm not saying that people will cheat if blizz and the organizers hadn't DQed him, but I can also see why they want to be very strict on not watching replays on another person's computer. It's an extremely slippery slope.
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I'm just going to say something short since everyone seems to have an opinion.
First i would like to point out that my tweet came after i received many different points of views which all point to the fact that Sioras was on Harstem computer from 30 sec to 5 min, noone could tell me. I've nothing against Sioras personally, but receiving phone calls informing of that incident made me pretty upset and i have to say blizzard's reaction was the good call. Noone is denying the facts even today.
My job is to protect my players no matter what and the facts were there someone did accessed Harstem's computer without his consent and as far as anyone knew it could have been from 30 sec to 5 min. During this time anything could have happened but the only sure thing is when Harstem came back Sioras was in from of his computer while a replay was on in PvZ.
Sioras can say it was a joke, Harstem can say maybe it was, but as a manager i cannot let something like this goes unnoticed to one of my players.
I have been most of the events, i know most of the professional players pretty well and i know how players troll each others and mess around all the time. But when i got informed by this incident, in no way ANYONE was implying a joke was involved.
However what i regret is that Harstem got penalized in a way by the sanction, because then when Sioras got DQ they replaced him by Has which was in my opinion debatable, but at the end it is their call if they want to replace a player by another.
What i can argue on is on how they informed and communicate with Harstem. They informed him way too late and also with a communication problem. Let me explain, when they informed Harstem he is not going to play his match up for which he has prepared for days but is going to face a Protoss, they first told him we will give you time and you will play last. Right in the middle of the second series, someone informed him he has to play soon.
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Thanks for the info Sebou, I can understand that you have to fight for you players and it probably sounded a lot worse than it was.
Blizzard should've maybe taken Harstem's opinion into account and not DQed Sioras though, instead a prize money deduction seems like the correct move. They indirectly punished Harstem by giving him a different opponent.
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Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people.
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On March 31 2016 00:46 Saechiis wrote:
Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people.
Yeah, all points made by anyone involved seems pretty fair and reasonable to me. Should we call this over, and move on to the next drama ?
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On March 31 2016 01:00 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 00:46 Saechiis wrote:
Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people. Yeah, all points made by anyone involved seems pretty fair and reasonable to me. Should we call this over, and move on to the next drama ?
I was thinking we could throw someone in the river with a rock tied to them, and if he survives we can declare him a witch and a hacker. And then we can get stuck in discussions about different species of swallows.
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On March 31 2016 07:03 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 01:00 oGoZenob wrote:On March 31 2016 00:46 Saechiis wrote:
Where do I point this pitchfork? They all seem like reasonable people. Yeah, all points made by anyone involved seems pretty fair and reasonable to me. Should we call this over, and move on to the next drama ? I was thinking we could throw someone in the river with a rock tied to them, and if he survives we can declare him a witch and a hacker. And then we can get stuck in discussions about different species of swallows.
speaking of that, what is your quest ? And your favorite color ?
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