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Mute City2363 Posts
On January 20 2016 18:51 REyeM wrote:
I mean the team exists and it's not going away (atleast for now). I really don't get why KeSPA is still holding out. So what if they rebrand mid season? It's still the same team and they want to compete.
I assume that the issue is that without a sponsor, there's no guarantee they'll be able to maintain funding to last the full year.
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I assume KeSPA is gonna decide soon though, since apparently the original plan was apparently to announce everything on Jan 18th. Don't see them delaying everything for much longer.
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If they don't allow former-sbenu in PL it's just going to accelerate the decline of the region, i don't see much benefit at all. don't tell me in 2016 kespa is still too proud to allow something to go " wrong " mid season of proleague, the whole thing is much more informal than it used to be.
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On January 20 2016 18:47 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 18:37 Elentos wrote:On January 20 2016 18:35 sharkie wrote:
You can blame a lot on the WCS changes but they aren't the reason SC2 is declining in Korea... No, they're just the reason the players on SBENU can't afford to miss Proleague. What do you reckon is going to happen? Will players hang around for another year practicing for a tournament in 2017?
Lilbow would.
(Sorry, too tempting!)
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On January 20 2016 18:58 AbouSV wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 18:47 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On January 20 2016 18:37 Elentos wrote:On January 20 2016 18:35 sharkie wrote:
You can blame a lot on the WCS changes but they aren't the reason SC2 is declining in Korea... No, they're just the reason the players on SBENU can't afford to miss Proleague. What do you reckon is going to happen? Will players hang around for another year practicing for a tournament in 2017? Lilbow would. (Sorry, too tempting!)
But just to practice for mythical WarCraft IV or something, right?
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Hoping for a less shady sponsor to take over...
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I like how everyone is so focused on Korean region declining. Korean region IS competitive Starcraft.
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On January 20 2016 18:13 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 18:06 JonnySC2 wrote:Guess the chances for 8 team PL are about zero percent right now  They were already. KeSPA was only debating whether they go ahead with SBENU and have 7 teams or whether they ditch SBENU and go with 6. Personally, I hope they let the team play regardless of sponsoring because the players would be too fucked otherwise.
I still had some hope even though it was highly unlikely but now it definitly is not gonna happen.
I agree with you. In my opinion it would be better for Proleague itself to have seven teams and for the players aswell.
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On January 20 2016 19:07 REyeM wrote:
I like how everyone is so focused on Korean region declining. Korean region IS competitive Starcraft.
Sure it is now, but given enough time with current conditions eventually Korea will become an amateur scene just as the foreign one is.
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I don't think this is bad news at all tbh. Yes it sucks to lose a sponsor but who wants to be affiliated with Sbenu now anyway. It looks like it's only a matter of time before Sbenu goes belly up so better get it done with now instead of having to deal with the fallout later.
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Anyone who tries to blame this on WCS changes and not the rise of LoL in Korea and better take a good hard look in the mirror and appreciate just how dumb you are. This literally has nothing to do with WCS, and everything to do with sonic being a shady as fuck businessman and LoLs ridiculous dominance in popularity.
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On January 20 2016 18:04 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 18:00 Phredxor wrote:On January 20 2016 17:54 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On January 20 2016 17:48 noobPride wrote:
I really hope the foreign scene makes up for the death of Korean SC2
I also think this is actually the best time to throw a foreign team into PL, with an early meta and the game still evolving and definitely not figured out by anyone (just look at HOTS powerhouses and how quite a few of them have dropped off the radar)
Finding a team of foreigners who will be competitive, and also willing to give up that WCS $$$ is unlikelyimpossible Fixed that for you. It was an understatement  Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 18:00 Horiken wrote:
I thought 2016 WCS system is OK, because Korean SC2 scene seems getting better and better since 2014. They have SSL/GSL and solid solid proleague, so i thought they can do well without foreign tournament. But after Prime matchfix and Sonic scandal, Korean SC2 is in huge trouble, new WCS system may be finishing blow. How has the Korean scene got better since 2014? For every new player who's emerged, you can name 10 who have retired. Look at the fact that half the competitive player pool is now out of action in GSL for half a year; they might be getting $2k for making Code A, but on top of minimal salaries that's a laughable annual wage. Anyone who thinks the Korean scene is healthy after the WCS changes is kidding themselves
I think he was talking about viewers, thinking about what the KeSPA guy said in about growth, like there was enormours growth in 2014 and some growth in 2015 when it comes to viewers (but never enough to support the scene if foreign tournaments fall away I don't think, also one has to remember the scene was almost dead coming into 2014)
The big problem I see currently, is that there is no incentive for new players to start playing professionally so it will fade away, which is kinda really sad
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 20 2016 19:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Anyone who tries to blame this on WCS changes and not the rise of LoL in Korea and better take a good hard look in the mirror and appreciate just how dumb you are. This literally has nothing to do with WCS, and everything to do with sonic being a shady as fuck businessman and LoLs ridiculous dominance in popularity.
since when are you the voice of reason i want the old sgtk back
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Mute City2363 Posts
On January 20 2016 19:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Anyone who tries to blame this on WCS changes and not the rise of LoL in Korea and better take a good hard look in the mirror and appreciate just how dumb you are. This literally has nothing to do with WCS, and everything to do with sonic being a shady as fuck businessman and LoLs ridiculous dominance in popularity.
SBENU folding might have nothing to do with WCS, but the fallout from it is everything to do with WCS
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On January 20 2016 19:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Anyone who tries to blame this on WCS changes and not the rise of LoL in Korea and better take a good hard look in the mirror and appreciate just how dumb you are. This literally has nothing to do with WCS, and everything to do with sonic being a shady as fuck businessman and LoLs ridiculous dominance in popularity.
Yea even Riot fucking up big time with OGN didn't hurt that, OGN currently is too depending on LoL to do what they did to Blizzard when Blizzard tried something similiar (but a bit less extreme even)
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On January 20 2016 19:23 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 19:07 REyeM wrote:
I like how everyone is so focused on Korean region declining. Korean region IS competitive Starcraft. Sure it is now, but given enough time with current conditions eventually Korea will become an amateur scene just as the foreign one is.
hahaha good joke. lazy foreigners will never be able to compete with koreans. even semi-pros like mc and dragon are owning most of the top foreigners atm with ease.
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On January 20 2016 19:34 Arvendilin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 18:04 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On January 20 2016 18:00 Phredxor wrote:On January 20 2016 17:54 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On January 20 2016 17:48 noobPride wrote:
I really hope the foreign scene makes up for the death of Korean SC2
I also think this is actually the best time to throw a foreign team into PL, with an early meta and the game still evolving and definitely not figured out by anyone (just look at HOTS powerhouses and how quite a few of them have dropped off the radar)
Finding a team of foreigners who will be competitive, and also willing to give up that WCS $$$ is unlikelyimpossible Fixed that for you. It was an understatement On January 20 2016 18:00 Horiken wrote:
I thought 2016 WCS system is OK, because Korean SC2 scene seems getting better and better since 2014. They have SSL/GSL and solid solid proleague, so i thought they can do well without foreign tournament. But after Prime matchfix and Sonic scandal, Korean SC2 is in huge trouble, new WCS system may be finishing blow. How has the Korean scene got better since 2014? For every new player who's emerged, you can name 10 who have retired. Look at the fact that half the competitive player pool is now out of action in GSL for half a year; they might be getting $2k for making Code A, but on top of minimal salaries that's a laughable annual wage. Anyone who thinks the Korean scene is healthy after the WCS changes is kidding themselves I think he was talking about viewers, thinking about what the KeSPA guy said in about growth, like there was enormours growth in 2014 and some growth in 2015 when it comes to viewers (but never enough to support the scene if foreign tournaments fall away I don't think, also one has to remember the scene was almost dead coming into 2014) The big problem I see currently, is that there is no incentive for new players to start playing professionally so it will fade away, which is kinda really sad
I can realistically see a future where GSL/SSL/Proleague are gone and Kespa is no longer involved in sc2, the ban on South Korean players playing in WCS is lifted and the game continues to live on in the foreign scene.
Of course in this future the level of play at the very top is much worse and very few Korean players are still playing sc2 professionally.
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On January 20 2016 19:40 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 19:34 Arvendilin wrote:On January 20 2016 18:04 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On January 20 2016 18:00 Phredxor wrote:On January 20 2016 17:54 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On January 20 2016 17:48 noobPride wrote:
I really hope the foreign scene makes up for the death of Korean SC2
I also think this is actually the best time to throw a foreign team into PL, with an early meta and the game still evolving and definitely not figured out by anyone (just look at HOTS powerhouses and how quite a few of them have dropped off the radar)
Finding a team of foreigners who will be competitive, and also willing to give up that WCS $$$ is unlikelyimpossible Fixed that for you. It was an understatement On January 20 2016 18:00 Horiken wrote:
I thought 2016 WCS system is OK, because Korean SC2 scene seems getting better and better since 2014. They have SSL/GSL and solid solid proleague, so i thought they can do well without foreign tournament. But after Prime matchfix and Sonic scandal, Korean SC2 is in huge trouble, new WCS system may be finishing blow. How has the Korean scene got better since 2014? For every new player who's emerged, you can name 10 who have retired. Look at the fact that half the competitive player pool is now out of action in GSL for half a year; they might be getting $2k for making Code A, but on top of minimal salaries that's a laughable annual wage. Anyone who thinks the Korean scene is healthy after the WCS changes is kidding themselves I think he was talking about viewers, thinking about what the KeSPA guy said in about growth, like there was enormours growth in 2014 and some growth in 2015 when it comes to viewers (but never enough to support the scene if foreign tournaments fall away I don't think, also one has to remember the scene was almost dead coming into 2014) The big problem I see currently, is that there is no incentive for new players to start playing professionally so it will fade away, which is kinda really sad I can realistically see a future where GSL/SSL/Proleague are gone and Kespa is no longer involved in sc2, the ban on South Korean players playing in WCS is lifted and the game continues to live on in the foreign scene. Of course in this future the level of play at the very top is much worse and very few Korean players are still playing sc2 professionally.
If wcs isnt really successful this year the future will be a dying game in 2017 and a dead game in 2018. Tbh at this point I've way more hope for bw in Korea
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If going back to StarTale isn't an option, they might as well rename themselves to "Sonic's Shoe Circus".
Just don't give free advertising like LG IM did... that didn't end well.
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