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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 13 2016 19:16 GMT
#21
This is great! And the TL Legacy team even getting stronger:p would be cool if they convinced HayprO, Jinro, and Lucifron to attend a tourney just to see what happens as a TLegacy squad.

GL TO VORTIX
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
January 13 2016 19:17 GMT
#22
Uhhh sick!
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Boysetsfire
Profile Joined October 2014
Mexico335 Posts
January 13 2016 19:20 GMT
#23
woohoo today's a good day! great "news"! good luck in school Lucifron and welcome back Vortix
MarineLorD | Scarlett | ShoWTimE -|- INnoVation | SoO | Classic
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
January 13 2016 19:23 GMT
#24
kind sad for the TL Heroes team but selfishly great for Starcraft!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 19:51:15
January 13 2016 19:25 GMT
#25
However, I'm a very competitive player and in my opinion, the game is too team dependent and the individual skill cap is too low for my tastes.


The thing I don't understand is how he continued to play the game for so long; The low skillcap isn't a "sudden thing". It always there!
I remember pointing it this out as an issue over 15 months ago - Ideally games should be easy to learn and hard to master. But quickly it became apparent that the game was easy to learn and easy to master from an individual level.

Back then I received all of the classical "just wait until pro gamers start playing --> Then they show us the skillcap" or "it is just in alpha/beta", "Skillcap doesn't matter"-nonsense comments. Glad they got prooved wrong in hindsight.

The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 13 2016 19:26 GMT
#26
Best of luck to Vortix.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
January 13 2016 19:27 GMT
#27
Finally the second best foreigner zerg of all time coming back :D.
I'm sure LucifroN will put up good results even attending few tournaments haha, so better than nothing!
WriterMaru
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France898 Posts
January 13 2016 19:27 GMT
#28
Niiiice! GL, Vortix! Cant wait to see you in tournaments! :D
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 19:30:11
January 13 2016 19:28 GMT
#29
On January 14 2016 04:25 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
However, I'm a very competitive player and in my opinion, the game is too team dependent and the individual skill cap is too low for my tastes.


The thing I don't understand is how he continued to play the game for so long, because the low skillcap didn't just turn up suddenly. It was always there. I remember pointing it this out as an issue over 15 months ago, and ofc back then I received all of the classical "just wait until pro gamers start playing --> Then they show us the skillcap" or "it is just in alpha/beta"- nonsense comments.



I mean, a lot of people said and still say that, but you can still have fun with the game for a while. It just won't satisfy the most competitive 1v1 players forever. Also a lot of players (Vortix, Grubby, Nerchio...) just didn't like HotS and needed a change. Vortix never ruled out a comeback in the long run and LotV is just a way better game. I don't think Vortix would've returned to HotS.

And since they were really successful with Heroes, I can see how you would keep playing a bit longer, even if the game is not perfect for you.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Purdnstein
Profile Joined December 2013
United States12 Posts
January 13 2016 19:31 GMT
#30
I know people love HotS and all, but Starcraft is where it's at for excitement and passion. SO excited for a return to SC after all of these retirements, plus he's rockin' the Liquid banner too, awesome news.
ken 2014- "asians can grow beards unless your old"
wtfishedoing
Profile Joined January 2014
Austria8 Posts
January 13 2016 19:33 GMT
#31
Nice to see Vortix coming back!
As a terran i hope Lucifron will fall in love with LotV and play a lot though ;D
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
January 13 2016 19:36 GMT
#32
They are likable fellows and both showed strokes of brilliance in their own way. Glad to see them back !
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 13 2016 19:37 GMT
#33
Big loss for Heroes but will be exciting to see him in SC2 again
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
jcairne
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States127 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 19:45:15
January 13 2016 19:37 GMT
#34
On January 14 2016 03:56 Musicus wrote:
Finally it's official . Really hyped to see Vortix play sc2 again, especially for TL. I think he will go to the very top of the foreign scene. Too bad he won't play at Leipzig yet.


Did he say somewhere hes not going to Leipzig?

EDIT: NM. Just saw they released the player list and hes not on it.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 13 2016 19:39 GMT
#35
Liquid Rising?

Now what Liquid needs is a rival team. Some of the most interesting times in SC2 for me personally were when team rivalries were strongest (Liquid vs. EG, Liquid vs. Acer).
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 19:59:26
January 13 2016 19:46 GMT
#36
Also a lot of players (Vortix, Grubby, Nerchio...) just didn't like HotS and needed a change.


Well if they wanted a MOBA w/ a much higher skillcap why didn't they just play LOL or Dota instead? (though w/ regards to Nerchio, pretty sure he also played those games. At least he has told me he played LOL).

Like I can understand you think HOTS is initially fun as the learning curve is low and there are lots of teambattles. But after a month I personally felt that I reached the mechanical skillcap and most of it just came down to teamcoordination.

I guess as Lucifron points out, they maybe had fun during scrims (on coordinated teams). But soloq I think a game w/ no carrypotential doesn't work.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
January 13 2016 19:48 GMT
#37
"One of the best foreigners of all time" was vague enough I guess :D
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13992 Posts
January 13 2016 19:51 GMT
#38
VORTIX!!! WOOOOO
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 13 2016 19:54 GMT
#39
Neat.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 20:00:32
January 13 2016 19:55 GMT
#40
Also, I would very much like for people to stop the whole "the game will growt in the future"-myth. In order for a game to grow it needs to retain its playerbase and get new players in.

The former, I don't think the game will be able to as it simply lacks depth/skillcap.

The latter, if you look at Google Trends, you can see search interest from potential new players, and it's steadily declining. For January it is at the same level as it was in October 2014. If you compare that graph to those of historical growth-games like LOL, DOTA and CS:GO you see a steadily rising Google Trends search interest for those games.

So the most likely scenario is that the playerbase will dwindle in the future.
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