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TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
December 26 2015 14:47 GMT
#261
On December 24 2015 09:32 pure.Wasted wrote:
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On December 24 2015 08:55 TimeSpiral wrote:
On December 24 2015 07:13 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 23 2015 02:04 Sissors wrote:
Isn't Liberator research already on fusion core? Maybe they should just make their anti ground attack something you need to research. And nothing stupid like 200/200 which takes 2 minutes, but 100/100 max which is done relatively fast, but something you need to invest in, and requires a tech lab.


I'm not sure what problem this is meant to address, and how. All you're doing is opening up the window in which Terrans are already vulnerable to Protoss aggression, before Terran can stabilize. But if he does stabilize, and goes on to play a 20 minute game - the sort of game that might prove Liberators are too difficult to deal with - I don't see a one-time delay of 45 seconds having any meaningful effect.

Best course of action is:
1) don't do anything until after Adept nerf
2) wait until we have more than 1 top Korean late game TvP to judge Liberators by
3) if they're demonstrably too difficult to deal with, buff Stalker anti-air.

Actually 3) might be a good idea regardless, now that Phoenix isn't a reliable counter to Muta.


Wait, is this post suggesting that Liberators are too difficult to deal with as Protoss (just want to make sure I'm reading this right)?


That is the current consensus on TL. Based on anecdotal ladder experience and a single PvT between herO and TY.


Haha. Well that meta sure shifted quickly, lol. Last I heard, Terran was struggling mightily to win vs. Zerg and Protoss. There are plenty of lategame compositions that are difficult to deal with, and I find it comically ironic that Protoss would be complaining about a "difficult to deal with" late game composition. Lol.

I'm gonna go find the vod for that game and see what all the hoopla is about.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 26 2015 16:25 GMT
#262
On December 26 2015 23:47 TimeSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2015 09:32 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 24 2015 08:55 TimeSpiral wrote:
On December 24 2015 07:13 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 23 2015 02:04 Sissors wrote:
Isn't Liberator research already on fusion core? Maybe they should just make their anti ground attack something you need to research. And nothing stupid like 200/200 which takes 2 minutes, but 100/100 max which is done relatively fast, but something you need to invest in, and requires a tech lab.


I'm not sure what problem this is meant to address, and how. All you're doing is opening up the window in which Terrans are already vulnerable to Protoss aggression, before Terran can stabilize. But if he does stabilize, and goes on to play a 20 minute game - the sort of game that might prove Liberators are too difficult to deal with - I don't see a one-time delay of 45 seconds having any meaningful effect.

Best course of action is:
1) don't do anything until after Adept nerf
2) wait until we have more than 1 top Korean late game TvP to judge Liberators by
3) if they're demonstrably too difficult to deal with, buff Stalker anti-air.

Actually 3) might be a good idea regardless, now that Phoenix isn't a reliable counter to Muta.


Wait, is this post suggesting that Liberators are too difficult to deal with as Protoss (just want to make sure I'm reading this right)?


That is the current consensus on TL. Based on anecdotal ladder experience and a single PvT between herO and TY.


Haha. Well that meta sure shifted quickly, lol. Last I heard, Terran was struggling mightily to win vs. Zerg and Protoss. There are plenty of lategame compositions that are difficult to deal with, and I find it comically ironic that Protoss would be complaining about a "difficult to deal with" late game composition. Lol.

I'm gonna go find the vod for that game and see what all the hoopla is about.


That's exactly what's going on lol. Roles have reversed since HotS, Protoss have the early game advantage thanks to adepts (altho armored tag will make them awful) and terran have the upper hand in lategame thanks to the DPS of liberator defender mode.
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