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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2950 Posts
December 15 2015 10:41 GMT
#721
On December 15 2015 19:29 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:19 Swisslink wrote:
I don't know a single Individual Sport with regional qualifiers


What about Table Tennis World Cup:

The current holder of the World Cup.
The World Champion.
The champion player or the strongest current player from each of the 6 continents (Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America, North America and Oceania). -> not "regional qualifiers" by name but pretty much comes down to the same.
1 player from the host association.
The top 8 players from the world ranking list.
2 wild card selections (wow invites - crazyness, imagine the outrage if there were invites to Blizzcon)

seems like a pretty decent mix to me


Well, I don't like the wild card selections in such a small tournament size (16 players). But I would not mind if some foreigners would get to Blizzcon..
Because we don't have 6 continents in SC2 terms (but only 2. NA/Europe, the rest has to play in these scenes anyway), that'd basically mean 14 Koreans and 2 foreigners. I don't think anyone would complain about this.

Or an increased number of participants (32) to give some foreigners a chance to qualify for Blizzcon would do the trick as well, imo. But I don't think it's debatable that Korea deserves more than 8 spots.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
December 15 2015 11:17 GMT
#722
On December 15 2015 19:41 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:29 TBO wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:19 Swisslink wrote:
I don't know a single Individual Sport with regional qualifiers


What about Table Tennis World Cup:

The current holder of the World Cup.
The World Champion.
The champion player or the strongest current player from each of the 6 continents (Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America, North America and Oceania). -> not "regional qualifiers" by name but pretty much comes down to the same.
1 player from the host association.
The top 8 players from the world ranking list.
2 wild card selections (wow invites - crazyness, imagine the outrage if there were invites to Blizzcon)

seems like a pretty decent mix to me


Well, I don't like the wild card selections in such a small tournament size (16 players). But I would not mind if some foreigners would get to Blizzcon..
Because we don't have 6 continents in SC2 terms (but only 2. NA/Europe, the rest has to play in these scenes anyway), that'd basically mean 14 Koreans and 2 foreigners. I don't think anyone would complain about this.

Or an increased number of participants (32) to give some foreigners a chance to qualify for Blizzcon would do the trick as well, imo. But I don't think it's debatable that Korea deserves more than 8 spots.


It's probably debatable whether there's even a foreigner in the top 32 tbf
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 15 2015 13:00 GMT
#723
On December 15 2015 14:42 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 14:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On December 15 2015 13:43 Plexa wrote:
On December 15 2015 08:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
When can we even expect blizzard to release some news on this?
It is getting really annoying -.-

I'd imagine when it's ready. Put it this way, assuming the announcement was ready to go and was leaked and received this kind of backlash perhaps Blizzard taking their time is a sign they take the community concerns very seriously.


The problem is that they have 2 choices:
1. Go ahead with the changes, and get hammered for what's clearly a hugely flawed system
2. Ditch the proposed system and go for something new / carry on the 2013-2015 system.

Either they look like they don't care about public opinion, or they essentially admit they're clueless as they didn't expect this mess of a system to create such a negative backlash.

It's a lose-lose at the moment. I'd almost have more respect for them if they just backed their judgement and stuck to what's been reported

Choice 3: say the leak was wrong and they never planned those changes, then continue with the old system.

This doesn't work if they're lying.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 15 2015 13:20 GMT
#724
On December 15 2015 22:00 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 14:42 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 15 2015 14:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On December 15 2015 13:43 Plexa wrote:
On December 15 2015 08:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
When can we even expect blizzard to release some news on this?
It is getting really annoying -.-

I'd imagine when it's ready. Put it this way, assuming the announcement was ready to go and was leaked and received this kind of backlash perhaps Blizzard taking their time is a sign they take the community concerns very seriously.


The problem is that they have 2 choices:
1. Go ahead with the changes, and get hammered for what's clearly a hugely flawed system
2. Ditch the proposed system and go for something new / carry on the 2013-2015 system.

Either they look like they don't care about public opinion, or they essentially admit they're clueless as they didn't expect this mess of a system to create such a negative backlash.

It's a lose-lose at the moment. I'd almost have more respect for them if they just backed their judgement and stuck to what's been reported

Choice 3: say the leak was wrong and they never planned those changes, then continue with the old system.

This doesn't work if they're lying.


It is not lying if no one knows the truth
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 15 2015 16:32 GMT
#725
On December 15 2015 20:17 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 19:41 Swisslink wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:29 TBO wrote:
On December 15 2015 19:19 Swisslink wrote:
I don't know a single Individual Sport with regional qualifiers


What about Table Tennis World Cup:

The current holder of the World Cup.
The World Champion.
The champion player or the strongest current player from each of the 6 continents (Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America, North America and Oceania). -> not "regional qualifiers" by name but pretty much comes down to the same.
1 player from the host association.
The top 8 players from the world ranking list.
2 wild card selections (wow invites - crazyness, imagine the outrage if there were invites to Blizzcon)

seems like a pretty decent mix to me


Well, I don't like the wild card selections in such a small tournament size (16 players). But I would not mind if some foreigners would get to Blizzcon..
Because we don't have 6 continents in SC2 terms (but only 2. NA/Europe, the rest has to play in these scenes anyway), that'd basically mean 14 Koreans and 2 foreigners. I don't think anyone would complain about this.

Or an increased number of participants (32) to give some foreigners a chance to qualify for Blizzcon would do the trick as well, imo. But I don't think it's debatable that Korea deserves more than 8 spots.


It's probably debatable whether there's even a foreigner in the top 32 tbf

Debatable, but it would be a cool thing. Snute, Serral, Showtime ... if there is a system with "some" preferential points for foreigners (but not full region lock as suggested), they would get to the TOP 32 ... and now, in LotV, the games are faster, so they could get more games into the tournament ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
December 15 2015 16:43 GMT
#726
Not that this counts for much: please don't! I only follow foreign sc2 events (IEM/Dreamhack/HSC) for the interplay of koreans and foreigners. Separate but equal does not work.
why?
SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
December 15 2015 19:51 GMT
#727
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!
Icebound Esports
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 15 2015 19:53 GMT
#728
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!
https://twitter.com/ApolloSC2/status/676845673967460352


Good things my ass! WE ARE DOOMED!
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 15 2015 19:57 GMT
#729
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!
https://twitter.com/ApolloSC2/status/676845673967460352

I am curious what his definition of "very soon" is exactly :D
ETA: in the next 2 weeks
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 15 2015 20:08 GMT
#730
I know Apollo only means good and I love the guy, but I seriously hate tweets like this.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-15 20:14:18
December 15 2015 20:12 GMT
#731
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!


Apollo is a super nice guy ;he works very hard and his casting really adds to my viewing experience; for that i am grateful. However, Apollo also has a vested interest in painting everything in as positive a light as possible.

Whatever changes Blizz makes it'll involve spending a lot less cash and resources than they did in 2011 and 2012... and probably a lot less cash and resources than in 2015.

I'll probably enjoy watching SC2 in 2016, however, i'm under no illusions that we are seeing some giant improvement in the competitive leagues and organizations behind the scenes.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 15 2015 20:39 GMT
#732
On December 16 2015 05:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!


Apollo is a super nice guy ;he works very hard and his casting really adds to my viewing experience; for that i am grateful. However, Apollo also has a vested interest in painting everything in as positive a light as possible.

Whatever changes Blizz makes it'll involve spending a lot less cash and resources than they did in 2011 and 2012... and probably a lot less cash and resources than in 2015.

I'll probably enjoy watching SC2 in 2016, however, i'm under no illusions that we are seeing some giant improvement in the competitive leagues and organizations behind the scenes.

Hm yeah that's obviously true as well. I like apollo like the next guy, but it's clear that he goes the day9 route at this point (which makes sense for him!)
So yeah i wouldn't take his word for it tbh.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 15 2015 21:00 GMT
#733
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!


What people that are doom and gloom dislike the most. People telling them they know everything will be okay without giving an explanation. GJ Apollo ! XD
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 15 2015 21:38 GMT
#734
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!
https://twitter.com/ApolloSC2/status/676845673967460352


BLASPHEMY! DO NOT FOLLOW THE FALSE GOD! THERE IS ONLY CHOYA! CHOYA IS THE WAY. CHOYA IS LOVE. CHOYA IS LIFE
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
jcairne
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States127 Posts
December 15 2015 21:39 GMT
#735
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!
https://twitter.com/ApolloSC2/status/676845673967460352


Apollo works for ESL right? If the rumor is that ESL doesn't want to do the WCS league maybe this is a good sign that that might not be completely true?
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
December 15 2015 21:44 GMT
#736
Am I the only one that thinks 2016 will be a BIG year with lots of money being invested in sc2? It's the final installment, they probably want to turn it into a big esport again.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 15 2015 21:46 GMT
#737
On December 16 2015 04:51 SNSeigifried wrote:
We must believe in the almighty Apollo!!!!
https://twitter.com/ApolloSC2/status/676845673967460352


almighty Apollo lost to Semmler in a SC2 match, never forget
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 15 2015 21:49 GMT
#738
We should make good note of who said it will be good and then never trust those people again if it turns out to be along the lines outlined in the OP
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 15 2015 21:50 GMT
#739
On December 16 2015 06:49 opisska wrote:
We should make good note of who said it will be good and then never trust those people again if it turns out to be along the lines outlined in the OP


CatZ
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ActionJesuz
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark32 Posts
December 15 2015 23:31 GMT
#740
On December 12 2015 15:07 nanaoei wrote:

(...) the earliest sc2 tournaments happened to be mostly foreigner-based. MLG's etc. those were exciting even in the case of there being one player named ActionJesus who only had 1 strategy involving 6-pool(...)


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