EPTOn December 15 2015 13:58 WrathSCII wrote:
I'd say so but unfortunately they do not read TL...
I'd say so but unfortunately they do not read TL...
eh, you'd be surprised
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
eh, you'd be surprised | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Well besides battlenet forums and maybe reddit, what else is there to read? | ||
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operwolf
United States324 Posts
On December 15 2015 14:12 therabit wrote: can't believe GSL and proleague are starting up real soon yet no news from blizzard still Didn't this same issue happen last year? I seem to recall... | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16101 Posts
On December 15 2015 14:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote: The problem is that they have 2 choices: 1. Go ahead with the changes, and get hammered for what's clearly a hugely flawed system 2. Ditch the proposed system and go for something new / carry on the 2013-2015 system. Either they look like they don't care about public opinion, or they essentially admit they're clueless as they didn't expect this mess of a system to create such a negative backlash. It's a lose-lose at the moment. I'd almost have more respect for them if they just backed their judgement and stuck to what's been reported Choice 3: say the leak was wrong and they never planned those changes, then continue with the old system. | ||
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CommanderBolt
3 Posts
This is like having a world cup and barring the top teams from entering only to have a 2nd world cup where all teams can enter. How on earth are "foreigners" going to get better if they cannot compete against the best! As a spectator I want to see the best most exciting games. I LOVE to see foreigners play against koreans, especially when they make a close match because you can see the difference in skill. No offence but if the foreign scene is not good enough then they need to get better - simple! Maybe if the average foreigner took the training and dedication as seriously as Korean teams they might well be able to compete. | ||
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Wrath
3175 Posts
Not really, the only times they notice something on TL is because it was shared on Reddit or the forums. | ||
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Timelog
Netherlands57 Posts
On December 15 2015 15:04 CommanderBolt wrote: I had to make a TL account to comment on this. I know its early days but why on earth would anyone think that baring the top players would make anything more interesting? This is like having a world cup and barring the top teams from entering only to have a 2nd world cup where all teams can enter. More like a World Cup where you have regional qualifiers, which so happens sports like football(soccer) have. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On December 15 2015 15:40 WrathSCII wrote: Not really, the only times they notice something on TL is because it was shared on Reddit or the forums. How do you know? The TL admins might know by looking at the logs of IPs that connect to teamliquid.net, that come from Anaheim. | ||
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Wrath
3175 Posts
On December 15 2015 16:23 ProMeTheus112 wrote: How do you know? The TL admins might know by looking at the logs of IPs that connect to teamliquid.net, that come from Anaheim. How can you determine if the IP that coming from Anaheim belongs to blizzard or not? I do not think they own every single IP in that region. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 15 2015 16:44 WrathSCII wrote: How can you determine if the IP that coming from Anaheim belongs to blizzard or not? I do not think they own every single IP in that region. I believe they can look at specific accounts and see when they were last active, so looking at blizzard employees accounts would make it easy to determine if they're reading here frequently or not | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On December 15 2015 17:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I believe they can look at specific accounts and see when they were last active, so looking at blizzard employees accounts would make it easy to determine if they're reading here frequently or not What if they aren't logging in? | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Who in this day and age doesn't use auto login? On December 15 2015 17:06 lichter wrote: or maybe we talk to them sometimes Nah, Blizzard are 100% uncommunicative and never tell anyone anything about anything. At least this is what I've been lead to believe. | ||
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flyleaf
Germany89 Posts
On December 15 2015 16:20 Timelog wrote: More like a World Cup where you have regional qualifiers, which so happens sports like football(soccer) have. This. I know a lot of guys in here are somewhat elitist and want the perfect world with the best players (basically 16 koreans) at Blizzcon. This just doesn't work for the viewership anymore (or did it ever?), the casual viewer will tune in more often then not when u have a storyline like "oh, there is a french/german whatever guy versus this korean god in the semifinal". In the end, we need a lot more of this casual viewers. It would help the scene to grow. | ||
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Wrath
3175 Posts
On December 15 2015 17:06 lichter wrote: or maybe we talk to them sometimes Well well well... What do we have here, got any info to share?  | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
On December 15 2015 17:37 flyleaf wrote: This just doesn't work for the viewership anymore (or did it ever?), the casual viewer will tune in more often then not when u have a storyline like "oh, there is a french/german whatever guy versus this korean god in the semifinal". In the end, we need a lot more of this casual viewers. It would help the scene to grow. Seems like a common misconception to me. Well of course we need more casuals. But will barring koreans from all tournaments attract them? I seriously doubt that. In the first place moslty because a "no foreigner in the finals"problem is a bit overhyped. People just keep reffering to 2010 when SC2 was in the hitlist and tend to think that this somehow connects with foregners competing on par with koreans while in reality that's just a coincidence. SC2 was fresh and new in 2010. When the casuals figured out SC2 is pure embodiment of hardcore frustration they left. And that's why viewership droped. Not because Kespa came and began to destroy foreigners. So i guess there is NO practical way to attract casuals to SC. It always been like this and always will be. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On December 15 2015 17:06 lichter wrote: or maybe we talk to them sometimes eh well thats better  I wonder who you talk to and stuff! | ||
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tch
1 Post
I like to watch top tier Korean players but also seeing the best foreigners face off against them. Snute vs. Flash, Showtime vs. Parting, Serral vs. Hydra/Parting/Innovation. I think SC2 needs both. NationWars is a very interesting concept. A solution could be to add nation-based online qualifiers for the WCS tournaments so Korea has only a limited amount of spots. In regard to make the game more active the multiplayer part needs to be F2P, there is no other way to make the game more active. Also I dislike that vods of SC2 are relatively hard to find compared to most other games. Subbing several organisations to watch SC2 is not good. I'd love to be able to buy a single (more expensive) sub and watch all relevant tournaments spoiler-free. Ideally an ad-financed YouTube channel would exist, providing spoiler-free (not single matches but wholes series / proleague runs) vods. This would help to get viewers in. With the option to download the F2P multiplayer to start playing after being excited by top tier players. In my opinion SC2 is the best esports game (one could argue about BW) but the way it's presented and accessible is hindering it's success. The argument of only people playing the game being interested is not correct if you look at other sports like the football world cup. | ||
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
On December 15 2015 16:20 Timelog wrote: More like a World Cup where you have regional qualifiers, which so happens sports like football(soccer) have. Again such a weird comparison. At the soccer World Championship, 13 European Teams play. That's about twice as much as any other region. With the Blizzard system, soccer World Championships would feature 5 Teams from Europe 5 Teams from Asia 5 Teams from Oceania 5 Teams from South America 5 Teams from North America 5 Teams from Africa Basically that'd mean teams like Tahiti, New Caledonia or similar countries would be qualified for the World Championship to get slaughtered at the World Championship. On the other side some of the European countries would not be qualified, because there'd be only space for 5 European participants, because the Charity System would help Tahiti to qualify for a World Championship by beating... well... countries that are basically all together at the very bottom of the FIFA ranking. What a great idea this is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_FIFA_Confederations_Cup Tahiti did very well and would totally deserve to be at a World Championship, right? That's what's gonna happen to EVERY foreign player at Blizzcon. And that should not be happening. Especially because even if they give 8 spots to foreigners, the chances are close to 0% that any foreigner qualifies for Blizzcon, assuming that the first round will be played a week before Blizzcon again. + soccer is a team sport. I don't know a single Individual Sport with regional qualifiers. There are some minor qualifiers to give like 1-2 spots to people from the country where the tournament takes place. And Dreamhack could still invite some Swedes to their tournaments. Nobody would probably argue about that. The problem is, that they're completely blocking the top players from participating. And that's not the case in any individual sports. Or at least I don't know of any. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On December 15 2015 19:19 Swisslink wrote: I don't know a single Individual Sport with regional qualifiers What about Table Tennis World Cup: The current holder of the World Cup. The World Champion. The champion player or the strongest current player from each of the 6 continents (Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America, North America and Oceania). -> not "regional qualifiers" by name but pretty much comes down to the same. 1 player from the host association. The top 8 players from the world ranking list. 2 wild card selections (wow invites - crazyness, imagine the outrage if there were invites to Blizzcon) seems like a pretty decent mix to me | ||
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