Community Feedback Update - December 11 - Page 10

On December 15 2015 04:05 ChristianS wrote:

This isn't strictly true. You have to shift click them back like protoss, but protoss can do it all with a single probe. So Terran has to go grab N SCVs to make N buildings, give the build commands, shift queue back. Protoss has to grab 1 probe to make N buildings, give the build commands, and shift queue back. Zerg has to grab N workers, and give the build commands, but no shift queue back (although I guess you could add the 4 s d [N times] to make new drones).

The difference isn't necessarily very significant, but there is, at least, a difference.

On December 15 2015 09:15 Big J wrote:


Well I think we disagree on a fundamental level here. I'm fully for having X that makes you safe in the game if it comes for a cost that can be abused. I absolutely hate it that in this game my opponent's can decide at any minute in the early game to try and win, completely disregarding what situation the game is actually in. That's how a metagame - i.e. strategical interaction - is created. I do something that costs me money, you abuse that by expanding faster and getting an advantage. Or I don't take that investment and play greedy and you punish that by doing damage.
And yes, we want it to be about skill. Attacking despite your opponent having X is the epitome of lacking skill.

And furthermore I think the cyclone requires quite some skill to use properly in those low economy situations. There is a ton that can go wrong, you need to babysit it to begin with, if it locks-on wrong that makes it a lot harder, it needs to be at the right place to begin with and you only need a few seconds to make an oracle pay off or get a big warp-in of adepts of. Also the vision requirement of lock-on makes it so that very frequently skilled players can escape the cyclone. The unit is pretty much useless against all other units on a-move.

Not to mention, that I don't even think that the Cyclone really deals with everything that well. Protoss is allinning left and right against Terran, it can't be thaaaaat good to begin with if that is still a thing or everyone would have caught on to it.

On December 18 2015 01:24 TimeSpiral wrote:
@Maps - I agree that the maps aren't horrible. We rarely veto maps--because, why?--but last time around we did veto Bridgehead because that map was epic in how bad it was. Frankly, I think one of the biggest issues is the sheer size of these maps. They just seem to favor Zerg is such a big way. Maps where a third base is impossible for Terran need to be smaller or we'll never defeat Zerg, lol. Come on, guys.

@Ultralisks - I think literally almost every players, even Zergs, agree that Chitonous Plating is too good. Maybe un-nerf the marauder? The Marauder didn't even need a nerf. That would help.

@Parasitic Bomb - Viper might be the most OP unit in the entire game. It has energy, but you can recharge it with minerals. It can snipe high-value targets from insane range. It has a spell that prevents Terran from attacking (lolreally?). It has a spell that guarantees they auto-win a mass air battle. Remove it's ability to recharge energy, or at least make the recharge ability leach vespene gas from an extractor.

RE: Liberators and Disruptors - Two points here.
(1) Please move the Liberator range upgrade to the fusion core. This +4 range buff is at the very end of Terran's tech tree. We went from a Liberator with a small attack radius but a large range, to a Liberator with a small attack radius, a small range, that requires a fusion core then a tech lab then an expensive research! Ha. Come one. Move the upgrade to the fusion core. Does anyone disagree with this? Additionally, since we're talking ultra late-game tech for this upgrade, have it give a minor buff to the transform time in and out of Defender Mode. We need this.

(2) Disruptors - I don't know. I literally don't know. But we (Terrans) need something here. They're too good and permanently prevent a proper engagement. It's possible that fixing Liberator range helps with this interaction, but right now the interaction is bad.