EPTFeel free to use this thread to ask any simple questions you might have about the mission, or for tips/help/advice on completing the mission.
[TLCH] Mission 3: The Spear of Adun
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Feel free to use this thread to ask any simple questions you might have about the mission, or for tips/help/advice on completing the mission. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
I took over the Protoss base at bottom of map but they sent Hybrid + Immortals so not worth holding it | ||
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lpunatic
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
i did the first 2 campaigns on hard but decided to switch to brutal for this one since i play protoss in multiplayer. this mission changed my mind lol | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
beat it rather easily on brutal, just had to load saves twice when i was out of position and an attack ruined my base. was losing my base as i was killing the last constriction im a little disappointed with the dragoon model, i wish they were a bit bigger. i actually prefer the dragoon and reaver models from sc2:mass recall to the ones blizzard did and i also wish the loading screen would require a click to move on, i went to fetch some food after this mission and actually missed the cutscene with the spear of adun | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Jaximus
5 Posts
Besides the first Power Cell that's to the immediate right of your base, never 'de-creep' a Power Cell until you've cleared out the units around all 3. The enemy will barely reinforce, so once you've gotten rid of the units and structures around all 3 southern cells, rush between each one and take them out while your base is crumbling. Ended up being pretty easy doing it this way. Can probably even avoid taking out the first one to the right of your base, but the retaliation from that one isn't really severe enough to warrant it. | ||
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FanaticCZ
Czech Republic287 Posts
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/isvpursuit/v/24984215 starts around 0:54:45 if you're interested in seeing how I did it. edit: Okay, watching it myself I made a lot more than 3 cannons. Still, basic idea is plenty of static d and good micro. | ||
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nnexus
Czech Republic7 Posts
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moofang
508 Posts
You could start with the power cell directly to the right of your base, go a little further to find and power a warp gate there, then backtrack and start taking out the rest of the power cells in anticlockwise direction. Basically all the other power cells trigger pretty easy to hold attacks, except the rightmost one which just literally releases all hell. Which frankly is a little silly because there was no hint in the mission that you should be doing these in any particular order. Anyway I figured this out on my third attempt, and when I left the rightmost cell for last in my fourth attempt, it was pretty easy. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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frajen86
168 Posts
I agree with suiciding at the end. Also I'd avoid powering any of the gates until the end, to avoid any hidden triggers | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
With good micro, you don't even need to sucide your army. Although when killing the last core, you will need to scrifice your main base. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
On November 11 2015 03:39 Nerchio wrote: I am sad it's impossible to do the achievement on brutal in under 15 minutes. Their units are just too strong and too amny I DID IT http://www.twitch.tv/atrioc/v/25204135 took hours and hours oh my god - are you also trying to get all the achievements on while on Brutal? I'm making the attempt and its RIDICULOUS in this campaign. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
I guess I'll try it again with the above tips later this week. I finished WOL and HOTS on brutal (HOTS was the easiest "brutal" campaign so far), and I really want to get LOTV done on brutal as well. Playing brutal, which missions should I do next afterwards? Korhal or Shakuras? (spoilerfree please  ) I was thinking korhal because the Immortal seems useful. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 11 2015 19:18 Atrioc wrote: I DID IT http://www.twitch.tv/atrioc/v/25204135 took hours and hours oh my god - are you also trying to get all the achievements on while on Brutal? I'm making the attempt and its RIDICULOUS in this campaign. I'm doing it but I've had to skip 2 or 3 so far I think. Mission 19 might be impossible  . | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 11 2015 20:41 phagga wrote: Man, this mission on brutal... I gave up last night after I reloaded over and over again for about 3 hours, and did the mission on hard. I guess I'll try it again with the above tips later this week. I finished WOL and HOTS on brutal (HOTS was the easiest "brutal" campaign so far), and I really want to get LOTV done on brutal as well. Playing brutal, which missions should I do next afterwards? Korhal or Shakuras? (spoilerfree please ) I was thinking korhal because the Immortal seems useful.Very little difference either way, I did Korhal because it seemed like it would come next logically. Shakuras gets you another person on board though! | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
I essentially cheesed this mission on Hard by running around with blink stalkers to kill all the defenses without touching the nodes themselves and then yolo'd the nodes quickly once all of them were undefended and ignored the units attacking my base at the end. I didn't hit the 15 minute mark, but at that point I didn't care about that anyways. The first time around I also destroyed the protoss base and built my own, but protoss and hybrid units still spawned in it anyways, which was annoying. This mission was definitely not the best mission Blizzard has ever created. | ||
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DilemaH
Canada402 Posts
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LDaVinci
France130 Posts
I finished pulling my probes cause I had no more ressources in my base. Took me 2 hours to finish it, in 39 minutes. Respect for those who manage the "less than 15 minutes" achievement on brutal | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
Massed stalkers with upgrades and expanded to the two bases. I had to reload a few times due to being out of position but that was it. My main tip would be to leave the power cells alive as long as possible instead of killing them straight away, and have some units in position for the nydus and warp prisms when you do. | ||
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
On November 11 2015 21:19 ZAiNs wrote: I'm doing it but I've had to skip 2 or 3 so far I think. Mission 19 might be impossible .Which ones did you skip? I don't want to call any of them impossible but I'm having such a grind on Last Stand getting to 1.8 billion. | ||
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Dingodile
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 11 2015 21:19 ZAiNs wrote: I'm doing it but I've had to skip 2 or 3 so far I think. Mission 19 might be impossible .Definitely not impossible. I got them all on my first completion of the mission. Check out the Mission 19 thread for my strategy+other discussion | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On November 11 2015 19:18 Atrioc wrote: I DID IT http://www.twitch.tv/atrioc/v/25204135 took hours and hours oh my god - are you also trying to get all the achievements on while on Brutal? I'm making the attempt and its RIDICULOUS in this campaign. Anyway to do this AND get all the warp gates?  | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
If anyone manages to get the 15 minute challenge on brutal I'm buying them | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On November 12 2015 04:02 robopork wrote: Yeah that was ridiculous. I got crushed by some fungals the first time and then couldn't defend my base. Second time I got it by expanding quickly (ish) and investing a lot more in static d. I felt like I kind of had to abuse the AI and drag out small clumps to stutter step or lead into cannon fire. Losing any units at all is bad news on that mission. If anyone manages to get the 15 minute challenge on brutal I'm buying them Here: | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 12 2015 04:02 robopork wrote: Yeah that was ridiculous. I got crushed by some fungals the first time and then couldn't defend my base. Second time I got it by expanding quickly (ish) and investing a lot more in static d. I felt like I kind of had to abuse the AI and drag out small clumps to stutter step or lead into cannon fire. Losing any units at all is bad news on that mission. If anyone manages to get the 15 minute challenge on brutal I'm buying them http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/498207-the-spear-of-adun-sprinter-cell-on-brutal | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 12 2015 03:30 Atrioc wrote: Which ones did you skip? I don't want to call any of them impossible but I'm having such a grind on Last Stand getting to 1.8 billion. That one was pretty easy for me actually, I got to 1.9billion on my 2nd try. I'll go through them again a bit later and see which ones I think are super hard, most of them aren't that tricky. The ones I skipped were mainly because I wanted to finish the game first then go back. On November 12 2015 03:37 Plexa wrote: Definitely not impossible. I got them all on my first completion of the mission. Check out the Mission 19 thread for my strategy+other discussion Ah, I forgot about Disruption Web. I was trying to hold the very last wave with tons of forcefields but then my army would be too weak to hold their armies. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On November 11 2015 20:41 phagga wrote: Man, this mission on brutal... I gave up last night after I reloaded over and over again for about 3 hours, and did the mission on hard. I guess I'll try it again with the above tips later this week. I finished WOL and HOTS on brutal (HOTS was the easiest "brutal" campaign so far), and I really want to get LOTV done on brutal as well. Playing brutal, which missions should I do next afterwards? Korhal or Shakuras? (spoilerfree please ) I was thinking korhal because the Immortal seems useful.I'm just doing it on hard, but I've found one of the versions of DTs to be absolutely indispensable and have become THE core unit of my army since they're so absurdly good. (They're DTs only they don't die...) | ||
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
or if you want to do it while technically being dead (no units/buildings) for a real thrill: http://www.twitch.tv/atrioc/v/25204135 | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
On November 12 2015 04:15 Plexa wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/498207-the-spear-of-adun-sprinter-cell-on-brutal Looks like I owe seol1500 lots of beer! | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 12 2015 03:30 Atrioc wrote: Which ones did you skip? I don't want to call any of them impossible but I'm having such a grind on Last Stand getting to 1.8 billion. Alright I checked and the only ones I skipped are: The Spear of Adun (this one), Harbinger of Oblivion (Kerrigan level), Steps of the Rite (Terazine fog level) and Salvation (last LotV level). I got very close on Kerrigan/Terazine levels without that much retrying so they shouldn't be very difficult with some brainstorming. The last one seemed impossible to me (the last push they make is insane) but it turns out Corsairs are pretty good so I was totally wrong. Spear of Adun is the hardest probably. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
On November 12 2015 06:46 ZAiNs wrote: Alright I checked and the only ones I skipped are: The Spear of Adun (this one), Harbinger of Oblivion (Kerrigan level), Steps of the Rite (Terazine fog level) and Salvation (last LotV level). I got very close on Kerrigan/Terazine levels without that much retrying so they shouldn't be very difficult with some brainstorming. The last one seemed impossible to me (the last push they make is insane) but it turns out Corsairs are pretty good so I was totally wrong. Spear of Adun is the hardest probably. How did you do Last Stand? | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
I looked for saves to check specifics but I didn't save and it only keeps your most recent 25 autosaves. For the opening I just used 5-6 regenerating DTs, around 20 Stalkers and the Spear of Adun to destroy the towers within the time limit easily. Once I killed the towers I maybe made 10-15 more Stalkers then focused on the static defense wall. The first time I only got 1 billion and on my 2nd I got 1.9 billion, the 2nd time I placed each building carefully. The only attack surface should be gateways, in retrospect Cyber Cores may be better because they have more health, but you do want Gateways and they may take up space that could be static defense. Use the space you have carefully in order to maximise your DPS, don't leave any little gaps because they actually can reduce your damage output by quite a lot, you won't be able to remake stuff if you wall super tight so lots of shield batteries is important. I can't remember what kind of tower to cannon ratio I used, but I think I was gas starved so I probably made quite a lot of towers. For the north air assault I only made towers and shield batteries because cannons are too short range, also put some towers behind your mineral lines because I think they can hit some of the air attackers. Eventually most of the new static defense you make won't actually be do anything for a while, then you can start putting your money into more Stalkers and use them to tank extra damage in your wall, DTs are decent to warpin too but even when they come back you won't have any gaps so they won't be able to help tank damage again. I used the Time Freeze Spear of Adun ability, I can't remember whether I had the lasers unlocked yet or not but they're probably better if you have them. I would usually target a clump of air attackers and Hybrids, it only slows heroic units by 50% but it can make the difference between them chipping away at the health of your static defense or not even taking out the shields which get healed fast. I don't think it helped really but you might as well get Photon Overcharge for your Nexus to buy a little extra time. Banelings are dangerous because they have so much burst damage and a lot of them can attack a structure at once, so it's a good idea to set up camera hotkeys at each choke and bounce between them and try to target fire banelings (it's not too hard because they usually get blocked by other units). At the end I was floating around 2000 minerals and 0 gas and had 30 DTs that were just patrolling around in my base, if I made more cannons I could have sniped some Overseers and bought some more time. Hope there was something useful in this big wall of text . | ||
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
I honestly don't see how later levels will be much harder than this. This does not feel like a level 3 level at all. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
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pzlama333
United States281 Posts
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Lysergide
United States18 Posts
There are four total power cores, clockwise I number them 1, 2, 3, 4. 3 is the furthest from your base, bottom right corner. Go for mass stalkers, 1/1/1. Get those upgrades as quickly as possible. While defending the small attacks at your base with stalkers, use blink micro to not lose any. Build all your gates and your cyber core next to the Warp Gate you find to the left of your base. Build Pylons to provide power to the left and right ramps. Build about 3-4 shield batteries, and tons of cannons... like, 8 or 9 cannons. I also got a few to cover the air entrance to the base. Save all of your Spear of Adun energy. Around 100 supply of stalkers, move out to power core 1. Make sure to keep reinforcing. Destroy it, making ample use of blink micro to lose nothing. Move towards two, stopping to power the gate with a spear pylon. Reinforce stalkers from there. Move out towards 2, and before destroying it make sure you're around 115ish supply. Move towards four now, utilizing that center bridge part of the map. Drop a pylon there. If your base looks a bit too pressured, feel free to move up the central bridge and destroy the warp gate/nydus, but it shouldn't be needed. Remember to keep reinforcing with stalkers out of your 6ish warp gates. Destroy #4, and then move quickly and suicide towards number 3. There are a ton of hybrids, and by now your base is probably starting to get destroyed. I moved in as close as I could, blinked, and crossed my fingers. I had to reload once or twice to get it done, but it got done. Don't waste ANY funds on Zealots, they are silly and useless on this map and just get torn apart by the quick pace, and ultras/hybrids. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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Lysergide
United States18 Posts
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
I cleared out all the areas without killing any of the cores, then just walked my stalkers around killing them. I actually FORGOT to clear the one nearest my base and had to walk back across the map to kill it. I thought I was going to lose because of that. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
Guess zealots are just shit against zerg is all. | ||
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BurningRanger
Germany303 Posts
You're not on a timer, which is nice. So I pretty much didn't produce any units or even Gateways for like the first 8 minutes and just massed cannons and batteries at the ramps. I think I had like 10-12 cannons and 4-5 batteries at each ramp. No attack wave ever got through this. If a cannon got destroyed, I just rebuilt it. From there I produced mass Stalker and slowly chipped away on each enemy position. You have to be careful to not lose too many units. At the last core I took the route through the one right above it and I guess I got around quite some defense with this. Probably I would have been able to clean all the defense here too, but I cba and just got the Power Cell. With 50 Stalkers it went down pretty fast. Here's a VOD of how I did it: LotV Campaign Mission 3: The Spear of Adun - Brutal | ||
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XtraC
Germany3 Posts
Then just warp in some units on every pylon and finish all Power Cells off at the same time. Of course, you can also suicide your stalker ball into the last Power Cell (i did them clockwise). For base-defence just build around 5-8 cannons + shield batteries at every entrance and 4 cannons + shield batteries in the center (air units attack there on brutal). You don't need more defence since you only have to hold up against the "normal waves". | ||
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
You can actually safely mine from either of the bases if you don't take the assimilator closest to the spawn point of the enemy armies. Also, be careful not to lure them in with stray probes. Don't make any static-d at the captured bases either. Have no idea how people manage to go vs immortals with pure stalkers, you must be a god of micro to do that. I went zealots and stalkers and was pretty ok with that as long as I avoided banelings and sniped ultras from afar. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
The trick is to not defend the last attack after you kill the 4th, and just go for the 5th. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On November 29 2015 16:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Hardest mission on brutal. Took me like 3 times longer than Salvation. Ridiculous. The trick is to not defend the last attack after you kill the 4th, and just go for the 5th. That mission is easy when you mass blink stalkers and destroy both enemy bases and wall the entrance for the hybrid zerg or hybrid protoss waves. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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The Bottle
242 Posts
Just by blocking and fortifying your entrances and getting the critical mass of stalkers, this mission should be no problem. Don't waste a single mineral on zealots, they can't blink back when they're damaged so you can't preserve them, and that will stop you from getting a critical mass. And if you have enough cannons and batteries at your entrances, most attacks shouldn't be able to do much to them (except the warp prism/nydus waves, which your stalkers should be dealing with anyway). | ||
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