EPTAfreecaTV bans matchfixers' streams - Page 11
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
c3rberUs
Japan11837 Posts
| ||
nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
On October 23 2015 23:42 BisuDagger wrote: Kespa is the only organization that has managed to keep a team league together for Starcraft for 15 years. You don't have to agree with everything they do, but the hate really is unwarranted. But sure, boycott the one group that is actually successful and profitable at providing the best SC content in the world.  Proleague is excellent product but KeSPA's specific rulings frequently is on a different level and in sad way. Of course there's the fact that international fans are at best secondary for them so will rule based on Korean market and community. | ||
|
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 23 2015 23:27 Caihead wrote: You can get disqualified in Golf for making a mistake writing the score yourself (even though there are professional score keepers watching everybody) even if you immediately realize the mistake. There's plenty of stupid DQ rules in sports. I like that argument. It should have some sort of latin logical fallacy name specific to it. "Something is worse therefore it is acceptable." | ||
|
Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 24 2015 03:14 Djzapz wrote: I like that argument. It should have some sort of latin logical fallacy name specific to it. "Something is worse therefore it is acceptable." The question was "who else". The answer is a shit tonne of other professional sports organizations. Or am I just supposed to sarcastically snark and shit over the one organization holding the korean scene together in a circle jerk? | ||
|
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 24 2015 03:37 Caihead wrote: The question was "who else". The answer is a shit tonne of other professional sports organizations. Or am I just supposed to sarcastically snark and shit over the one organization holding the korean scene together in a circle jerk? Well it was a rhetorical question. He was not really asking who else does it, because no one else does anything remotely close to dq'ing people for "ppp", and you have to go quite far away from eSports to find something as crazy, and even then it's an absolutely stupid rule which at least has some basis in rationality, it's to prevent people from cheating. Only KESPA is nuts enough to dq a player for a typo. That shit is insane. And no you're not supposed to join the alleged circlejerk, but wow golf? Nice try... | ||
|
Penev
28536 Posts
Haha, wow | ||
|
mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
i may not be the most informed... but i get the impression Kespa needs a large dose of Don't be Evil. What was all that fuss about kespa players can't play in GSL until we allow them to. Oh kespa thanks for allowing! | ||
|
nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
On October 24 2015 04:30 mishimaBeef wrote: is Kespa keeping the scene together or do they strive to monopolize the scene that they already have a strangle hold on? i may not be the most informed... but i get the impression Kespa needs a large dose of Don't be Evil. What was all that fuss about kespa players can't play in GSL until we allow them to. Oh kespa thanks for allowing! Perhaps the sole reason KeSPA kept the scene together was because they kind of monopolized it. And to be fair - is it more of a monopoly than i.e. NHL? | ||
|
egernya
Canada352 Posts
You may not agree with those people, but that't majority of progaming scene, and regardless that's right or wrong, I think it's enough to show that boycotting was not forced by kespa like years ago when they boycotted gsl, but it was rather voluntary actions from many players. So it's not really Kespa being evil, but the players expressing their opinion, and trying to achieving what they wanted. Although I think it was their just right, but if you think that's wrong, then the evil ones are not Kespa, but the players and the coaches. Also, In my opinion, Afreeca had to choose either Savior, Hwasin, and etc or so many other players and teams as their business partner, and they just chose the bigger one with greater profit for them. | ||
|
mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
1. we are on a digital medium not a physical one 2. just because NHL does it ... are we going with the 'it's always been done that way' argument? seems to me korean players are happy to get out of kespa and join foreign teams... what is that about the 'rigorous practice' regime they enforce? | ||
|
mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
On October 24 2015 05:07 egernya wrote: It seems many people here think Kespa tried to boycott GSl, but that's wrong. Kespa never said they were going to boycott . There was only one article that boycotting GSL was discussed as far as I know, and it only said that some of players and coaches were considering boycotting GSL. You may say that Kespa manipulated them to express such idea from behind, but ever since Savior started his first streaming, a lot of players, ex-players, and coaches expressed how unpleasant they felt that the person who ruined the gaming scene making money with gaming. You may not agree with those people, but that't majority of progaming scene, and regardless that's right or wrong, I think it's enough to show that boycotting was not forced by kespa like years ago when they boycotted gsl, but it was rather voluntary actions from many players. So it's not really Kespa being evil, but the players expressing their opinion, and trying to achieving what they wanted. Although I think it was their just right, but if you think that's wrong, then the evil ones are not Kespa, but the players and the coaches. Also, In my opinion, Afreeca had to choose either Savior, Hwasin, and etc or so many other players and teams as their business partner, and they just chose the bigger one with greater profit for them. are you referring to "KESPA Players Allowed to play in GSL Season 4" ? | ||
|
egernya
Canada352 Posts
On October 24 2015 05:13 mishimaBeef wrote: are you referring to "KESPA Players Allowed to play in GSL Season 4" ? I don't remember which GSL it was, but if you meant when Kespa and ESF fought, yes. I've seen lots of people saying like "OMG the evil Kespa is back, and they are now even worse monopolizing the scene." | ||
|
nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
On October 24 2015 05:08 mishimaBeef wrote: well... a few things 1. we are on a digital medium not a physical one 2. just because NHL does it ... are we going with the 'it's always been done that way' argument? seems to me korean players are happy to get out of kespa and join foreign teams... what is that about the 'rigorous practice' regime they enforce? I'm saying the associations behave that way frequently. Look - you generally have one federation for each sport per country. AS for the professional it's a bit more different - you have ATP and WTA for tennis, only FIFA for football on global level, Box is a mess but but FIVB - again - is a monpoly. If you look at i.e. Kennel Clubs it's kind of similar. In some countries you have one (i.e. Germany AFAIK), in some there's only one really strong and the rest are just pseudo kennel clubs (i.e. Poland). You can't be in more than one kennel club. | ||
|
Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 24 2015 03:50 Djzapz wrote: Well it was a rhetorical question. He was not really asking who else does it, because no one else does anything remotely close to dq'ing people for "ppp", and you have to go quite far away from eSports to find something as crazy, and even then it's an absolutely stupid rule which at least has some basis in rationality, it's to prevent people from cheating. Only KESPA is nuts enough to dq a player for a typo. And no you're not supposed to join the alleged circlejerk, but wow gold? Nice try... Right... there's never been people DQ-ed in the esports arena for tweets, random comments, user names and barcodes, draconian region locks and sign up restrictions (fucking over Chinese players), tournament organizers themselves fucking up and not informing players of rescheduling...... Do I even need to refer to shit that happens out side of SC2? MLG/WCS/ other reputable organizations would never do anything like that, only Kespa. | ||
|
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 24 2015 05:23 Caihead wrote: Right... there's never been people DQ-ed in the esports arena for tweets, random comments, user names and barcodes, draconian region locks and sign up restrictions (fucking over Chinese players), tournament organizers themselves fucking up and not informing players of rescheduling...... Do I even need to refer to shit that happens out side of SC2? MLG/WCS/ other reputable organizations would never do anything like that, only Kespa. I haven't heard of anything as bad as ppp but I guess I haven't been paying attention to all the shit you people have been putting up with while CSGO has been healthy... Still that brings me back to my first point, just because shit is the norm doesn't mean you should put up with it. Why anyone would cheer for KESPA when it's responsible for some of the filthiest behaviors is akin to the stockholm syndrome. | ||
|
Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
| ||
|
mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
i guess it's an attempt to further scare away future match fixers? also i still don't understand how it's just to ban the bw match fixers now... hey BW guys, remember when you stole from us and we punished you? well more people stole from us so we're gonna punish you again | ||
|
Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
like isn't sc2 is largely nonexistent on afreeca by comparison to bw? | ||
|
ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 24 2015 11:15 wo1fwood wrote: like isn't sc2 is largely nonexistent on afreeca by comparison to bw? You're right, it doesn't affect the SC2 matchfixers at all really. | ||
|
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 23 2015 13:08 pure.Wasted wrote: Did you know that if you commit a felony in the US, you can never ever become a police officer? Did you know that if a US soldier is dishonorably discharged, s/he can never ever work as a government employee in any capacity? Just a friendly reminder that you may need to move out of the United States.  edit: to be perfectly clear, I'm not bashing America, I'm bashing your shoddy nationalistic "argument." Police officers and army soldiers are pretty narrow examples. I'm fine with both of those things. Korean netizens actually felt so strongly that they boycotted Afreeca. That's the citizenry, and their beliefs, rather than government rules about what some government occupations can do. | ||
| ||
