Good response. Yes the map can be abusive for all races. I also stated that my point was not about terran beeing useless, because they won't be. And when you say bridgehead will lead to epic macro games, maybe. Allthough this is starcraft 2 not broodwar, all-ins are much stronger and the game is more fast phased. And Protoss is so different from broodwar, map designers have to keep in mind warpgate, tempest, forcefields when making maps (just to name a few)
The statement about Terran's being useless was more of a re-affirmation lol. I agree with this post though I'd say the thing I fear the most out of all the maps is Tempest rush on dash and terminal....
I just hate destructible back rocks. They're such a pain in the ass in PvZ. Otherwise the maps seem fine. A bit wonky but that will lead to some new builds which I'm okay with.
EDIT - Any map where Terrans live in fear of proxy tempests is a map that I like :p
There is one issue here that nobody addressed so far. Real talk: Who, among all of those who voted for the best maps in the TLMC, actually tried PLAYING the maps even ONE time before deciding which were the more suited for competitive play?
I know I didn't, because I'm a lazy bastard, like the rest of us. Sure, we all looked at the imgur album of the maps with the nice hi-res picture. We got to judge the map's aesthetics, the general lay-out of the expansions, but is a 10 seconds look on a .jpg the same thing as trying the map once and realizing after 5 minutes that "wait, this back-door rock is actually completely broken, there is no fucking way I can hold a one base all-in on this map, I'm not giving my vote for this crap"?
On July 01 2015 23:38 fastr wrote: There is one issue here that nobody addressed so far. Real talk: Who, among all of those who voted for the best maps in the TLMC, actually tried PLAYING the maps even ONE time before deciding which were the more suited for competitive play?
I know I didn't, because I'm a lazy bastard, like the rest of us. Sure, we all looked at the imgur album of the maps with the nice hi-res picture. We got to judge the map's aesthetics, the general lay-out of the expansions, but is a 10 seconds look on a .jpg the same thing as trying the map once and realizing after 5 minutes that "wait, this back-door rock is actually completely broken, there is no fucking way I can hold a one base all-in on this map, I'm not giving my vote for this crap"?
The real issue is not with the voting though, since the voting doesn't factor in Blizzard's choice for ladder maps
On July 01 2015 23:17 Liquid`Ret wrote: I wonder if GSL and SSL are just going to keep the same map pool once again..
I think Coda and Terraform are highly likely to be in.
I don't really know why but I can so imagine them adding Bridgehead for at least Proleague.
I dunno, ProLeague to have abandoned their map-laboratory policy this year and it makes me really sad T_T
Bridgehead has this "Well it's basically a Brood War map in SC2" feeling to it, that might make it appealing for the big Korean leagues to some extent.
I very much hope that Proleague gets around to adding something like the next King Sejong Station at some point.
I just hate destructible back rocks. They're such a pain in the ass in PvZ. Otherwise the maps seem fine. A bit wonky but that will lead to some new builds which I'm okay with.
EDIT - Any map where Terrans live in fear of proxy tempests is a map that I like :p
I think we should practice this together TBH. I suck at defending and its a good strat to perfect on that map Just a thought If you are available tonight <3
I just hate destructible back rocks. They're such a pain in the ass in PvZ. Otherwise the maps seem fine. A bit wonky but that will lead to some new builds which I'm okay with.
EDIT - Any map where Terrans live in fear of proxy tempests is a map that I like :p
I think we should practice this together TBH. I suck at defending and its a good strat to perfect on that map Just a thought If you are available tonight <3
Aren't we due for a Bo7? Should be free around 730 Eastern or so.
Well not much we can do about the map pool at this point, unless they do a full "dream pool revert" before the end of the season then we'd better get used to these maps. Our efforts are better spent trying to find ways to adapt to and figure out these maps then to complain about them.
Honestly so far I kinda like the maps lol (except Moonlight Madness that I can't really judge, didn't got a single ladder game on it yet). It's a bit cheese city atm, especially ZvZ, but I mean it's always cheese city when new maps are first introduced. The only thing I really regret is that pros will have to play on them while we don't know yet if they are balanced or not (and also why keep Iron Fortress ffs, it's the most boring 4p map I've played on since HotS' release). I could have lived without the island base on D&T too.
First time I saw those maps immediatly I thought "Man, that's time to do like the pros...you gonna forget F2 ! "
For me, as much as those new maps encourage to use an ultra agressiv kind of play, they force to separate our army and use a lot of sentinels. BridgeHead is the perfect example. As Terran you have to put a marine in front of rocks at the natural, and he has to stay here. Same thing on MoonlightMadness in front of the B3. There are so many paths to attack the opponent that you have to cover the maximum of them. By far, I am not a fan of those maps but I will do with it.
I am just a little Top gold player, stuck in this league since too much time, and I hope it will be the season for me to reach Plat league Go to 2 bases All in and others 11/11 vs Zerg on Dash nd Terminal (Terrans, did you notice this B3 with so many dark corners )
On July 02 2015 01:31 OtherWorld wrote: Honestly so far I kinda like the maps lol (except Moonlight Madness that I can't really judge, didn't got a single ladder game on it yet). It's a bit cheese city atm, especially ZvZ, but I mean it's always cheese city when new maps are first introduced. The only thing I really regret is that pros will have to play on them while we don't know yet if they are balanced or not (and also why keep Iron Fortress ffs, it's the most boring 4p map I've played on since HotS' release). I could have lived without the island base on D&T too.
I could have lived without Dash and Terminal in general. That map is silly.
I'm protoss and don't wanna be constructive at all. Cause i'm so fucking sick of this bullshit. This maps are disgusting in every way possible. Every season i think: ok, this can't be worse, next season will definately be better. But this season is beyond retardiness. You guys who made these maps... if you read this .. you have literally no idea what i think about you. All of you. Hope it's enough for a ban.
Sidian: Hey, look at this map I designed, will anybody give feedback in the team liquid mapping forum? Community: ...
Sidian: Hey, my map got placed under a community spotlight featured by blizzard! Hopefully this gets some more playtime and I get some good feedback! Community: ...
Sidian: Hey, TLMC is going on, would love to hear some thoughts before I submit my map! Community: ...
Sidian: Look, my map got in the top few maps for TLMC, hopefully with that publicity and the TLMC map tournament I'll get even more feedback! Community: ...
Sidian: Sweet, my map randomly got onto ladder! Awesome! Community: FUCK THIS MAP, PIECE OF SHIT IMBALANCED TRASH GARBAGE MAPPER FUCK DIS SHIT DED GAME.
Welcome to the life of a starcraft 2 mapper.
Feel free to stop by the mapping forum and give your feedback, you never know when one of those maps will get on ladder!
On July 02 2015 03:49 SidianTheBard wrote: Sidian: Hey, look at this map I designed, will anybody give feedback in the team liquid mapping forum? Community: ...
Sidian: Hey, my map got placed under a community spotlight featured by blizzard! Hopefully this gets some more playtime and I get some good feedback! Community: ...
Sidian: Hey, TLMC is going on, would love to hear some thoughts before I submit my map! Community: ...
Sidian: Look, my map got in the top few maps for TLMC, hopefully with that publicity and the TLMC map tournament I'll get even more feedback! Community: ...
Sidian: Sweet, my map randomly got onto ladder! Awesome! Community: FUCK THIS MAP, PIECE OF SHIT IMBALANCED TRASH GARBAGE MAPPER FUCK DIS SHIT DED GAME.
Welcome to the life of a starcraft 2 mapper.
Feel free to stop by the mapping forum and give your feedback, you never know when one of those maps will get on ladder!
In what world did you not get any feedback after being chosen as TLMC finalist?
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Just a thought If you are available tonight <3
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